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Are any of his former players still in the league for us to sign? Why do they have to still be in the league? He brought in grey haired senior citizens the last time he was here.
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The Browns should be constructed as a running ballclub. They are not. Cleveland possesses one of the best running backs in the league with Nick Chubb and has a very good compliment back in Hunt. The offensive line should be built on how to get Chubb constantly into the second level. The tight end should possess a blocker-first-then-catch mentality that a lot of teams possess.To be fair to Freddie - Dorsey took away this possibility when he traded away Zeitler. To be fair to the Browns - Freddie has done nothing to show me that he has the ability to learn from his mistakes and improve. Much like Sashi is unlikely to ever see a GM role in the NFL - Freddie isn't ever going to see a HC gig in the NFL ever again and I really doubt he will ever see a coordinator role either. But that's me - I've made my mind up on Freddie and I really, really want to cut bait. . . . I know there is a strong argument for continuity and rinsing and repeating every other year is not the path to success. But if you have the wrong guy as HC, you have the wrong guy as HC no matter how many seasons you give him. That's where I am. Wrong guy and the sooner replaced the better. jmo. Of the coaches mentioned I still have McCarthy ranked as my top choice, Rivera as second option .... interestingly I'd forgotten Jim Harbaugh's success in SF, I'd thought I'd want nothing to do with him after his failure at MI - but some coaches are destined to be College guys and some NFL guys, there is every chance Jim is a much better NFL HC than a college guy. I'd take Jim over an unproven coordinator no matter what success they have had (Roman/Saleh).
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Poll at the bottom of the article:
Should the Browns retain Freddie Kitchens? 4% Keep him (20 votes) 14% Keep him, but take away play calling duties (66 votes) 82% Fire him (393 votes) 479 votes total
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I’m shocked u got sucked into the mob mentality about Freddie ... I’ll be very interested to see how u feel in a month or so after the frustration/emotions of the year starts to subside ...
There’s a reason McCarthy didn’t get a sniff here last year ...
Was it cause he told KJ he wanted the year off or was it cause the dudes he worked with for years know who he is and didn’t want him ...
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I am not endorsing this guy but I'm just saying:
Under McCarthy, the Packers went to the playoffs nine seasons, played in the NFC Championship Game four times and won Super Bowl XLV. He is also a quarterbacks coach and an offensive guy.
We could do worse.
I think part of the issue is that people intuitively take into account the situation that coaches find themselves in. When they are part of a strong organization, with a legitimate franchise QB, you expect playoff appearances. Coaches in such a situation for a long period of time seem to win a Super Bowl almost by accident. You could apply this to a few coaches and McCarthy is one of them. Now, the above is not completely fair. I think there's a perception of it though and there is some merit to it. There's also more to it than that though, there's still a lot of credit to go to him for keeping the team together and so on. I agree that we could do a lot worse - there are coaches who can mess up the best of circumstances. One knock on McCarthy is his game management. He's one of those coaches who, with 15 minutes left in the game and the team down by two after scoring a touchdown (so down 8, score touchdown, down 2 pending a try) would actually kick the extra point instead of going for 2. Just completely inexplicable behavior and it's hard to take anybody seriously who thinks kicking an extra point there is a good idea. Or take that comical decision to punt the game away against the Seahawks - some things just stick in people's minds and a small amount of bad can override a lot of good.
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Like I said I am not endorsing him.
I wanted Freddie to do well. But I think he dug his grave with Haslam and will be gone.
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I hear you. I agree that we could do worse. When someone has the success that McCarthy had, he is worth at least considering. Give him an interview, pick his brain a little bit, see what he has learned and thinks he can improve on.
It's hard for us fans to have a good feel on head coaching candidates. We don't get to talk to them, know what their staffs would look like, or get a feel of what they are made of.
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Switch the name from McCarthy to Rodgers...
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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It was a good article. I get the OSU connection, but just say no to Urban Meyer, and I like Urban Meyer. His problem is he burns out. He left Fla. after winning 2 national championships. He left OSU after winning 1. Both of those programs are programs most coach's would stick with for the rest of their career. Are you kidding me? OSU, Florida. SEC, Big 10. Those are big time positions where you have every resource in the world. Tons of money for top coaches and recruiters, facilities, travel budget. I understand him leaving Utah after building them when he went to Florida. Florida and the SEC was a career move. Then he went bonkers and "retired", then showed up at OSU a few years later and did a great job for a great program, then...?? He became a announcer...and now he is being hailed as the next great NFL coach. I think the guy just likes the attention. He clearly isn't committed. He has held 2 college jobs most coaches would near kill for, and he just walked away. Sorry, you don't walk away from a Gator or Buck's coaching gig without something being a little messed up. I don't want him showing up in Cleveland. He has already walked away from teams I root for twice. JMO
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Every year at this time there is a parade of all the hot young coordinators. The next saviors.
Most fail.
Occasionally there is a gem.
Next comes the list of experienced guys like Rivera and McCarthy. Proven guys who had success then reached the end with their old teams.
Guys like Reid start anew and do well. Others fail.
There is no quick fix. We should look at all of them and try to make a informed, intelligent decision.
Right now I have no answer.
But I would be surprised if Freddie returns. He has not been all bad. But he has not done enough to save his job.
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Ohio State did Urban dirty by suspending him for three games, despite Urban following proper protocols. They hung him out to dry and yet Urban still stayed on the rest of the year, handed over the program to an oustanding young coach in Ryan Day, and even stayed on in an administrative role to advise varsity captains and coaches.
Us Ohio State fans can only be grateful to have had a coach like Urban Meyer.
I don't want Urban as the Browns coach though. I think he's more of a college coach honestly, his strength is recruiting and he left behind a simply phonomenal team, as we have seen this year. I don't think teams played up to their potential in past years, and wonder how he'd make the transition to the NFL game.
There are too many unknowns there, and then there's the stress of this Browns job..
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Hiring Meyer would have the same affect signing Kap would with me ... I’d be done ... That man is a POC ... what he did in recruiting was SICKENING ... he pimped his own teen age daughter out one year when recruiting, telling kids they could go to school with hotties like her and then giving her the phone to talk to them ... He’s a POC ... The reason he left Fla is cause the program was a mess ... u know that yet for some reason stick up for the man ... when i heard he left cause of health reasons I *L* my butt off .. what a joke that was .... sure enough shortly there after he was ready to coach again ... dudes a lying POC ... When he was at OSU he told Stephon Diggs family he wouldn’t send him to Fla. cause there locked room had a lot of no character dudes in it ... they were almost all kids he recruited ...  ... Then what he did at OSU letting his wife beating assistant be ... he did nothing other than keep it in the closet ... help the dude, don’t give him a free pass ... Last year no one gave Freddie a chance at first ... i think Y-town and myself were the only ones giving him a chance at first ... now this year ya’all are way to pre-mature about his immediate firing ... it mary happen but it ain’t near the sure thing ya’all are making it out to be ..
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The problem I have with college coaches is culture shock.
In college the coach has full authority. He is the boss. The players are not paid professionals.
It is not a matter of innovation or X's and O's.
It is a matter of how you relate to the players.
Pete Carroll was different because he bounced back and forth before he figured it out.
I prefer experienced NFL guys who have been head coaches. Andy Reid type guys. They present the least risk. They have immediate credibility with NFL players. That alone goes a long way.
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I don't know what's worse, Florida fans who think that Urban winning them two national championships and leaving behind the #1 recruiting class in the country wasn't good enough, or Notre Dame fans who are hysterical that their program is irrelevant now - partly because Urban Meyer recruited a lot of the best athletes in this part of the country.
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Like I said I am not endorsing him.
I wanted Freddie to do well. But I think he dug his grave with Haslam and will be gone.
If the thief is involved all bets are off .... hopefully dude learned were way better off with him and his wife keeping their nose out of things they know nothing about ... Up until he hired KJ the thief was the worst owner in the history of sports ... what an EMBARRASSMENT his reign has been ... Lets hope KJ and Freddie or whoever is our next coach can remedy that ... Its never to early to start getting fired up for next year ... LETS GOOOOOOOOoooooooo
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Hiring Meyer would have the same affect signing Kap would with me ... I’d be done ... That man is a POC ... what he did in recruiting was SICKENING ... he pimped his own teen age daughter out one year when recruiting, telling kids they could go to school with hotties like her and then giving her the phone to talk to them ... He’s a POC ... The reason he left Fla is cause the program was a mess ... u know that yet for some reason stick up for the man ... when i heard he left cause of health reasons I *L* my butt off .. what a joke that was .... sure enough shortly there after he was ready to coach again ... dudes a lying POC ... When he was at OSU he told Stephon Diggs family he wouldn’t send him to Fla. cause there locked room had a lot of no character dudes in it ... they were almost all kids he recruited ...  ... Then what he did at OSU letting his wife beating assistant be ... he did nothing other than keep it in the closet ... help the dude, don’t give him a free pass ... Last year no one gave Freddie a chance at first ... i think Y-town and myself were the only ones giving him a chance at first ... now this year ya’all are way to pre-mature about his immediate firing ... it mary happen but it ain’t near the sure thing ya’all are making it out to be .. Well, you are right in a way. He left Florida because Nick Saben showed up in Alabama and started signing the players he wanted. I stick up for him because we did win 2 titles and I like the guy. I think he took the OSU job because OSU is the lone gorilla in Ohio and maybe even one of 2-3 in the Big 10. The SEC has 6-7 teams you compete against. Ohio is good recruiting ground. You can win staying in-state. Florida is also good recruiting ground, but in addition to the Gators, you have Fla St and Miami....both strong recruiters and pulls. Central Fla and Fla Atlantic aren't slouch.
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Good points. Ohio State does have some advantages in recruiting, being the top program in Ohio. tOSU's brand is strong. Meyer also recruited heavily out of state. That was actually one of the things Day has emphasized recently, basically focusing more on Ohio.
It's a trade-off between going after absolute top-end talent vs having a sort of hometown bond and keeping those players off other Big Ten teams. Michigan State was getting some of them for a while, which came back to bite Ohio State one year.
Anyway, I think he stays in the college game if he ever does coach again. There were some rumors of him to USC a while back? I don't know how much truth there were to those.
I seriously doubt he's a candidate to become the next Browns coach though.
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A thought about the Browns job, specifically:
The analytics crew wanted Sean McDermott instead of Hue Jackson, and Kevin Stefanski instead of Freddie Kitchens. I wonder who the new hot candidates are and how those teams are doing.
Stefanski's Vikings offense has looked pretty darn good for most of the year, though had a pretty bad outing on Monday Night Football. He's done good work with Kirk Cousins though, who has quietly had an outstanding season.
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Don't want Stefanski or McCarthy. If I had any say, my preference would be Gregg Williams or Mike Pettine, Ya, I know...been there done that.
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There is no way Haslam will sit back and let things be handled by anyone else.
Not in this circumstance.
He will get with Dorsey but he will do as he sees fit. He is the owner.
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An owner who doesn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground ...
I HOPE he defers to KJ if not were back in hot water ...
The thief needs to learn his place ... hire his people and let them do their jobs like the owners of EVERY OTHER SUCCESFUL FRANCHISE DO ...
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Its never to early to start getting fired up for next year ... LETS GOOOOOOOOoooooooo The problem is they have 200 days of the offseason to dismantle, rebuild, and reboot, anything the team has figured out how to do.
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Bring him back. Ya, lets get him ... i think Sashi may have hired him and hes working for the Wizards now ... *L* .... Is dude even in football anymore ... if so, whats he doing ... i know he was OFF the field for a few years ... U wanna hire this guy and u have the balls to tell me to go root for the Jills cause I wouldn’t debate U on the merits of firing Freddie during the game when we were BEATING THE BILLS none the less ... Real classy dude ... 
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An owner who doesn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground ...
I HOPE he defers to KJ if not were back in hot water ...
The thief needs to learn his place ... hire his people and let them do their jobs like the owners of EVERY OTHER SUCCESFUL FRANCHISE DO ... you realize Haslam has done exactly that...this product is of "king" john's making. #notmyking This team needs a experienced Football executive as president. Not a glorified scout playing GM. Let Dorsey pick players, let President do everything else
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Only 2 choices: Rivera or McCarthy.
Don't give me Urban Meyer or Jim Caldwell FFS.
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For as good as Chubb is, he's ranked 32nd in run success percentage (or was last I checked on football outsiders advanced RB metrics). His multiple great individual runs cover up a ton of getting hit in the backfield runs which fans seem to forget. Link Imagine what he'll do if we can shore up the line.
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Will not happen D.
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Only 2 choices: Rivera or McCarthy.
Don't give me Urban Meyer or Jim Caldwell FFS. I'd rather talk to Brian Billick (yuck). Someone who won without Aaron Rodgers or Superman Cam. People want to feed Chubb then talk about pass happy coaches who've run the spread.
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Only 2 choices: Rivera or McCarthy.
Don't give me Urban Meyer or Jim Caldwell FFS. I'd rather talk to Brian Billick (yuck). Someone who won without Aaron Rodgers or Superman Cam. People want to feed Chubb then talk about pass happy coaches who've run the spread. Or maybe they see coaches who used the talent available on the roster and used it to maximum effect? I'll take a proven, successful HC over any experiment coordinator hire regardless of who they had on the roster at QB. Cam is not a great QB and never was - I'd wager Cam has about the same QB rating as Kap as a throwing QB. Having Rodgers and taking him to however many Division Championship games seems to indicate success not failure given some of the defenses that team fielded.
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An owner who doesn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground ...
I HOPE he defers to KJ if not were back in hot water ...
The thief needs to learn his place ... hire his people and let them do their jobs like the owners of EVERY OTHER SUCCESFUL FRANCHISE DO ... Just so I understand your post 100% - you are suggesting that if Dorsey gets his way you are certain Freddie gets another year. And the only way Freddie loses his job is if Haslam sticks his nose into it? I'd disagree with that thought process. I think there is every chance Dorsey wants to save his job and will feel he HAS to jettison Freddie. The list of issues with first year HC Freddie is long and has been listed and discussed .... I've not seen anything that points to why we should expect Freddie to improve if he keeps his job other than for the sake of Continuity. If I missed it and you or others have offered something I apologize. As to the comparisons to Bill and other HC 'greats' .... I can't prove it but I'd bet money for every lousy first year head coach that went on to be great - there's 20 that went on to be just as bad as their first year said they'd be. I don't buy Bill as an example of why we should keep FK. * And dismissing rationale thought process that argues for firing Freddie as simply being "the mob" is a cop out imo.
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Will not happen D.
A tiger can't change his stripes. Guys like Haslam are alpha dogs.
If thats the case we’ll NEVER WIN ... the thief backed into KJ due to the thiefs ineptness with ALL his previous hires with Sashi being the worst ... talk about not being qualified to do the job you were hired for .... that man had about as much chance as a snowball in Hell ... The SMART alpha males know to stay in their lanes ... actually its the Alpha males that have MORE BRAINS than EGO that know to stay in their own lanes ... there all smart ... its not like the thief, Jerry Jones and Snyder are stupid ... they just have too much ego to stay in their own lanes ... U think Kraft, the late Paul Allen (he never gets mentioned but what a great owner he was), Lurie and the Rooney’s aren’t alpha males .... The thief knows truck stops not how to run an NFL team and until he realizes that were nothing more than his personal toy ... Hopefully KJ changes that ... talent wise hes off to a GREAT START ....if Freddie gets canned lets hope it was KJs decision cause if it came from above him ... ROUGHT RO RURU ... not good ...
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An owner who doesn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground ...
I HOPE he defers to KJ if not were back in hot water ...
The thief needs to learn his place ... hire his people and let them do their jobs like the owners of EVERY OTHER SUCCESFUL FRANCHISE DO ... Just so I understand your post 100% - you are suggesting that if Dorsey gets his way you are certain Freddie gets another year. And the only way Freddie loses his job is if Haslam sticks his nose into it? U didn't understand that part at all .... see my reply to bone ... i posted that before i read yours ... I'd disagree with that thought process. Were good then cause it wasn’t my thought process either ... I think there is every chance Dorsey wants to save his job and will feel he HAS to jettison Freddie. IF KJ fires him cause he’s afraid he’’s going to lose his job and not because he doesn’t think he’s the man for the job then were in deep crap anyhow .... no GM worth his salt would fire his HC cause he’s afraid of losing his job .... thats not a leader ... it’s IMPOSSIBLE to lead when your always looking back over your shoulder .... The list of issues with first year HC Freddie is long and has been listed and discussed .... I've not seen anything that points to why we should expect Freddie to improve if he keeps his job other than for the sake of Continuity. If I missed it and you or others have offered something I apologize. Don’t know about others but i offered mine on the other thread .... no clue if none else has cause i don’t read much anymore but i know i did ... * And dismissing rationale thought process that argues for firing Freddie as simply being "the mob" is a cop out imo. I would agree with that ... we disagree that I’m dismissing “rational thought” processes ... i don’t see rational thought after a certain point .. Y’all (1 for 1 Peen ... *L*) ... are blaming him for pretty much everything ... he’s getting way to much blame and zero credit for anything ... What I’m doing is calling what u believe is rational thought process what it actually is .... Freddie who put a huge ass target on his own back with his long butt list of mistakes being the lightening rod for the most disappointing season we’ve had since our return by far ... the expectations (and rightfully so) were out of this world high and this team didn't come close to achieving them .... and the mob is blaming him for way to much ...
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Yeah - my wording on Dorsey firing him to keep his job didn't translate well .... I mean that Dorsey *if* is convinced Freddie is the wrong guy and thinks that to have a winning/better product on the field he feels the need to let FK go.
As to blaming everything on FK... I don't think that or feel that way. I can even handle a lot of bad. Hell - I was for bringing Hue back after 2 seasons one of which was an 'offa'. . . . My single biggest issue is not seeing virtually any improvement on areas he has struggled. Whether it's a balanced O and abandoning the run game, or game management or adjustments. to coming out flat against average or below average teams and losing . . . . Penalties and discipline did improve for a little while but they were back in force last week ... and that's not mentioning the offense. I don't think we have an identity and I don't think we put ourselves in the best chance to win. Even with great-superb starts like Seattle (the one game I was at - and the first half was a joy) we find ways to lose.
Anyway ... whatever happens let's hope the ship turns whoever ends up at the helm.
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Hard to figure what Dorsey will do?
Hard to swallow when your hire struggles so. Dorsey is a smart guy he knows the NFL well. He has his ear to ground and will know more about "inside the Browns" and what is behind the scenes with Freddie. Lot's of things we will never know.
He also has a direct take on Haslam. He will read the tea leaves and make a decision based upon all the factors.
I stated before he may back Freddie. But he will have a hard time selling Haslam. If he believes Freddie blew it he will cut his loss like Corbett.
I don't believe Freddie survives. I agree he did some good things. He had some solid game plans. But the cons out weigh the pros by a large margin.
At this point I have nobody in mind to replace him.
I have always admired the Saints offense.
Pete Carmichael Jr. has been there a long time as OC. He has a strong background. Worked under Marty. Lot's a background on offense qb coach. In addition he has worked with Drew. Who is one of the greatest qb's to ever play the position.
He would be worth the call.
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An owner who doesn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground ...
I HOPE he defers to KJ if not were back in hot water ...
The thief needs to learn his place ... hire his people and let them do their jobs like the owners of EVERY OTHER SUCCESFUL FRANCHISE DO ... Just so I understand your post 100% - you are suggesting that if Dorsey gets his way you are certain Freddie gets another year. And the only way Freddie loses his job is if Haslam sticks his nose into it? U didn't understand that part at all .... see my reply to bone ... i posted that before i read yours ... I'd disagree with that thought process. Were good then cause it wasn’t my thought process either ... I think there is every chance Dorsey wants to save his job and will feel he HAS to jettison Freddie. IF KJ fires him cause he’s afraid he’’s going to lose his job and not because he doesn’t think he’s the man for the job then were in deep crap anyhow .... no GM worth his salt would fire his HC cause he’s afraid of losing his job .... thats not a leader ... it’s IMPOSSIBLE to lead when your always looking back over your shoulder .... The list of issues with first year HC Freddie is long and has been listed and discussed .... I've not seen anything that points to why we should expect Freddie to improve if he keeps his job other than for the sake of Continuity. If I missed it and you or others have offered something I apologize. Don’t know about others but i offered mine on the other thread .... no clue if none else has cause i don’t read much anymore but i know i did ... * And dismissing rationale thought process that argues for firing Freddie as simply being "the mob" is a cop out imo. I would agree with that ... we disagree that I’m dismissing “rational thought” processes ... i don’t see rational thought after a certain point .. Y’all (1 for 1 Peen ... *L*) ... are blaming him for pretty much everything ... he’s getting way to much blame and zero credit for anything ... What I’m doing is calling what u believe is rational thought process what it actually is .... Freddie who put a huge ass target on his own back with his long butt list of mistakes being the lightening rod for the most disappointing season we’ve had since our return by far ... the expectations (and rightfully so) were out of this world high and this team didn't come close to achieving them .... and the mob is blaming him for way to much ... Way too much? Possibly, but virtually every area of deficiency with this team this season can be traced back to a point where Freddie has (or should have as a HC) influence. I'll be generous and spot you Baker's regression not being a Freddie Fault. Baker still has not played so poorly as to explain how the lack of mental and emotional fortitude of this roster. It doesn't explain the lack of preparedness week after week. Yes this team is good on script, but it's not prepared to play 4 quarters of football. Even in those drives where Baker is on point, the play calling still looks disjointed and the play calling has very little dimension to it. He doesn't call plays that set up other plays. Every week through the Patriots game he denied that there were discipline issues. While I don't expect a coach to ever just flat out admit certain team faults, one does expect a coach to at least give an answer that admits it but doesn't, and everyone can understand why. Instead, Freddie takes it so far as to insult anyone who would suggest such a thing with his BS about "I don't coach penalties". Then when he finally does reach out to the Big Tuna, the answer he received made it apparent that he had done little to nothing to Address the discipline issues. SOrry Diam, you may dismiss it as the mob, and not rationale thought because YOU aren't thinking that way, but there has not been a single poster that has not been able to rationally articulate any number of reasons why they feel Freddie needs to go. We have yet to see a single poster articulate any basis for keeping him.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
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There’s a reason McCarthy didn’t get a sniff here last year ...
Was it cause he told KJ he wanted the year off or was it cause the dudes he worked with for years know who he is and didn’t want him ...
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By what I've read, he did get a sniff here last here, but he was told he had to keep Freddie as hid Offensive Coordinator, and that he would not do. I think we've all seen that McCarthy was right.
BTW .. Drop the King John bit .. King John ruled England from 1199 - 1216. His rule was so bad that the Barons revolted and the forced him to sign the Magna Carta. No King since has accepted the Royal Name of John upon naming. That is, of course, unless you are calling Dorsey King John because you think he is a horrible General Manager.
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I don't think Haslam has had much to do with football decisions since Dorsey arrived. What we are seeing is the product of Dorseys efforts.
The decision on Freddie will be Dorseys. No doubt Jimmy and Dee will have their opinions, but I doubt they would over rule Dorsey and go against what he thinks needs to be done.
Now, if whatever we do doesn't produce desired results, the question the Haslams have to answer is do they stick with John Dorsey?
If we keep Freddie, Dorsey looks foolish. If we fire Freddie, Dorsey looks foolish. What John needs to do is make the decision that erases that by winning next year. If that doesn't happen, Dorsey is done.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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Well said ... Dorsey looks bad either way, so you might as well just do what’s best for the franchise
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Well said ... Dorsey looks bad either way, so you might as well just do what’s best for the franchise Nothing bad about telling Greg Williams we were wrong.
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