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So far Derek Anderson is the best Browns QB I've ever seen. I’m sorry. I hope this changes. I can’t imagine being a fan if this team and not having all those memories from the 80’s to keep me going. Tim Couch is the best that I can remember. I was born in 85, but I don't really recall much from the 90s as I lived in Florida then and it was really really hard to watch a game in those days outside of the market. lol My Dad took me to a game in Otto Graham's last season. I was 6 or 7. I can't say I really remember Otto, though I do remember my Dad telling me to watch him. I was more excited about sitting with my Dad at my first Browns game. As overwhelming as my first Indians game...the greenest grass I ever saw. Wow! That's awesome. I cannot wait until I take my son to a game. Hes 4 now, but I don't think I can take him anytime soon. Too many drunks and hooligans anymore. My brother waited until my nephews were 12 before he took him. IDK if I can wait that long - so maybe 10. I know what you mean. I started taking mine when they were 8-9 years old. It is what it is. I used it as a learning experience. If some jackwad started cussing and all that stuff, I used it as a parenting moment. I explained to my kids the reason why Mom and I have all the rules that we do is because we didn't want them to grow up to be like that person. They took it in stride
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So far Derek Anderson is the best Browns QB I've ever seen. I’m sorry. I hope this changes. I can’t imagine being a fan if this team and not having all those memories from the 80’s to keep me going. Tim Couch is the best that I can remember. I was born in 85, but I don't really recall much from the 90s as I lived in Florida then and it was really really hard to watch a game in those days outside of the market. lol My Dad took me to a game in Otto Graham's last season. I was 6 or 7. I can't say I really remember Otto, though I do remember my Dad telling me to watch him. I was more excited about sitting with my Dad at my first Browns game. As overwhelming as my first Indians game...the greenest grass I ever saw. Wow! That's awesome. I cannot wait until I take my son to a game. Hes 4 now, but I don't think I can take him anytime soon. Too many drunks and hooligans anymore. My brother waited until my nephews were 12 before he took him. IDK if I can wait that long - so maybe 10. I know what you mean. I started taking mine when they were 8-9 years old. It is what it is. I used it as a learning experience. If some jackwad started cussing and all that stuff, I used it as a parenting moment. I explained to my kids the reason why Mom and I have all the rules that we do is because we didn't want them to grow up to be like that person. They took it in stride Good stuff. I am curious, would you say the demeanor of games were worse back then, or now as far as problems go?
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You might need to change your sig.....one, it is dated....two it is smack talk, and three, our "real" players aren't doing all that well.
Just saying Nah. Sashi still works in the NBA. Not dated at all.
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More question's than answers ! Wonder how Haslam feels about Dorsey after two seasons ? Feel like Dorsey will spend a bunch of time revamping the roster , Will lead to a few talented player's and some head scratcher's .. Bunch of players on the field or a TEAM ?? How dose Dorsey feel about his talent evaluation skills at the O-line and D-lime positions ?? Where might he see drafting a Tackle or the need to improve the TE Room ??
Don't expect much in the way of revelations in the post season PR. speak. Not sure any of the Fan base is going to be happy with the Coaching search or selection ( just much water over the bridge since 1999 )
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Dorsey has some work cut out for him.
The reality is we have a lot of guys to pay. Schobert should be one of him, but he might end up walking. The Browns currently have one of the most expensive teams in the league, and we'd be over the cap if not for rollover from previous years. This is despite many key players being on rookie contracts.
It's looking like we spent too much, too soon, before this team was ready to compete.
It's still salvageable though. There's a lot of good young talent here. We need to get the coaching fixed and player development up a notch. Oh, there are def guys that are goin to have to walk. That's a no brainer. NE does it every year. But we are gong to lose Kiro and Randall. I would suspect Vernon will not be on the books next year, along with others. They can get Schobert done if they wanted. My gut says Schobert will end up with the Jets. Assuming GW is still D coordinator over there.
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I’m not sure the Jets want to pony up that much more money to their LB corps ... but I cant think of another team needing a LB at the moment
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The Jets already have C.J Moseley, who they signed to a 5 year deal this year.
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Good stuff. I am curious, would you say the demeanor of games were worse back then, or now as far as problems go? Hard to say. I think the mood is angrier today, but I think that stems mostly from 20 years of being a bad team. An option you have is I believe the team still has a family section. No alcohol allowed. That doesn't mean someone won't come in slobber faced. It is what it is. Some people just don't care and don't know how to act in public.
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sports.yahoo.com/john-dorsey-not-completely-safe-153223722.html
John Dorsey is “not completely safe” in Cleveland
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As the Browns prepare, by all appearances and indications, to part ways with coach Freddie Kitchens as soon as tonight, the question becomes whether that will be the end or the beginning.
Questions have emerged regarding the status of G.M. John Dorsey. As one source with knowledge of the dynamics in Cleveland explained it to PFT on Sunday morning, Dorsey is “not completely safe.”
On one hand, the firing of Dorsey would be a surprise, and unwarranted. Dorsey arrived during the 2017 season, and he promptly began infusing talent into the organization. Remember the rash of trades in early 2018, which showed that the Browns were serious about turning things around? Then, Dorseys’ decision to pounce on quarterback Baker Mayfield with the first pick in the 2018 draft was viewed as a stroke of genius; Dorsey also added cornerback Denzel Ward four picks later and, one round later, likely 2019 rushing champion Nick Chubb.
Earlier this year, Dorsey finagled a trade for gamebreaking receiver Odell Beckham Jr., which created even more excitement in the aftermath of last year’s 7-8-1 record. Dorsey also rolled the dice on 2017 rushing champion Kareem Hunt, who became available after last year’s off-field ugliness prompted the Chiefs to cut him loose.
But with the good comes the not-so-good. Dorsey is believed to have been the driving force behind bringing offensive coordinator Todd Haley to town in 2018, over the objection of former head coach Hue Jackson, who wanted to continue to be his own offensive coordinator. It didn’t work out, spectacularly.
Then, Dorsey was the guy who wanted to make Kitchens the head coach, even though he hadn’t been groomed for the gig. It hasn’t worked out, somewhat spectacularly.
Despite Mayfield’s strong performance as a rookie, his regression in 2019 coincided with the rise of Lamar Jackson, a budding superstar whom the Browns easily could have had in 2018, given the cluster of picks in the first two rounds. It’s not a stretch to think that Jimmy or Dee Haslam have raised the question, subtly or otherwise, as to whether Dorsey considered Lamar Jackson instead of Mayfield, especially since Jackson has become the league MVP with the team that used to be the Browns. Dorsey was still the G.M. in Kansas City when the Chiefs traded up to get Patrick Mahomes; it’s natural to wonder what Dorsey saw, or didn’t see, in Jackson.
It’s also natural to wonder whether the 2018 or 2019 version of Baker Mayfield will be the version of Baker Mayfield in 2020, and beyond.
Then there’s the Beckham trade, which sold tickets and jerseys but didn’t produce results. The Beckham move ultimately calls into question Dorsey’s team-building skills. The Browns have talented players, but who are the leaders? Who are holding people accountable? How do the strong personalities fit together? Who is grooming Baker Mayfield, getting him to properly direct his intense competitiveness in the right direction, while avoiding some of the issues that arise from time to time?
The X factor in the final analysis could be chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. At one point during the season, rumors were swirling that DePodesta could be bumped ahead of Dorsey on the pecking order. That didn’t happen. Recently, however, a league source suggested that, if DePodesta were willing to relocate on a full-time basis to Cleveland, DePodesta would have a much larger role in the organization.
DePodesta’s influence becomes a more significant consideration, for now. With two years’ worth of fodder for “I told you so,” the Haslams could decide that the next best thing to DePodesta calling the shots on a full-time basis would be hiring a G.M. that DePodesta hand selects.
Again, this doesn’t mean Dorsey will be out. He may get another year, or more. But as the source said there’s a chance that ownership will decide not only to change coaches but also to change General Managers when the dust soon settles on the 2019 season.
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Let's see..for the record, during Depo's 2016 and 2017 seasons, Haslam and his Browns won 1 game and lost 31 games, with the team finishing 4th in AFC North both years.
In 2018 and 2019, during Dorsey's time as GM, the Haslam's team won 7 games in 2018 and if they win today, the Browns will have won 14 games in Dorsey's 2 seasons as GM.
So, if your the owner of the Browns, what would you do, return to management style of Depodesta or continue with Dorsey?
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Now you're going and bringing facts into the discussion. Why on earth would you do that?
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Firing Dorsey would be the most asinine thing that could be done. It would definitely be the end of any hope that the franchise could obtain competent people to work for it.
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Pit...damn straight I will...winning matters and the fact that Depodesta's record speaks volumes for experience and commitment to "football".
One story points out that Depodesta said he would move to Cleveland and be on the job "full time"..IMO, it shows just what Depodesta's priorities have been during his time with the Browns...HE WAS A PART TIMER!
Now that the Browns have shown some success Depo wants to piggy back onto Dorsey's work over the last two seasons and see if he can con Haslam into a GM type job.
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however, FK and us are ...
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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One more thing...can anyone tell me what Depodesta does to improve the teaM?
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One more thing...can anyone tell me what Depodesta does to improve the teaM? annaliticks
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Are you sure it isn't analicktics?
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One more thing...can anyone tell me what Depodesta does to improve the teaM? annaliticks I think I knew her once .......
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Depodesta's job is nothing like Dorseys job
"DePodesta is tasked with implementing systems and processes to strengthen the Browns organization and decision making. In this role, he works closely with General Manager John Dorsey, Head Coach Freddie Kitchens and members of the player development, high performance and analytics departments to maximize efforts."
Dorsey said that he has been pleased with the organization as a whole and says the Haslems are proactive in providing everything he needs - that included the analytics teams great support on Dorsey wanting Baker.
if Depo is going for a power grab I would be disappointed but Dorsey's exact quote on Depo is "“I will continue to understand the models and the concepts that his team has come up with, and at the end of the day, I’m a realist. It gives the decision-makers the ability to think through everything in terms of making the proper decision for the organization.”"
I am so surprised that folks are willing to run with this narrative coming out of Lombardi's mouth and are looking to divide this team.
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The only way I want Dorsey gone is if he says that the OL is just fine, and we don't need to address it this off-season.
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Dorsey made a few terrible decisions last off season.
#1 He let Gregg Williams go when Gregg had this team playing tough, discipline football.
#2 He traded Kevin Zietler for Olivier Vernon (Who was a huge bust) He had only a couple good moments all year while the offensive line was a disappointment for the Browns in 2019.
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Dorsey made a few terrible decisions last off season.
#1 He let Gregg Williams go when Gregg had this team playing tough, discipline football.
#2 He traded Kevin Zietler for Olivier Vernon (Who was a huge bust) He had only a couple good moments all year while the offensive line was a disappointment for the Browns in 2019. Zeitler has played a lot of trash football this year. It ended up being an even trade.
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Dorsey made a few terrible decisions last off season.
#1 He let Gregg Williams go when Gregg had this team playing tough, discipline football.
#2 He traded Kevin Zietler for Olivier Vernon (Who was a huge bust) He had only a couple good moments all year while the offensive line was a disappointment for the Browns in 2019. #3 He didn't sign a backup QB....
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Has Dorsey fired Kitchens yet?
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Has Dorsey fired Kitchens yet? And trade for a QB
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The trade of Zeitler wasn't the issue. It was not having someone ready to take his place. And he traded away the player he thought it would be.
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I can live with Dorsey, especially measuring some talent. Watching the bar lowered by FK is hurtful. We need to do better. And we need to get some new folks on O line.
And somebody to make BM perform.
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#3 He didn't sign a backup QB.... And how do we know that G-squared isn't a competent backup or perhaps even starter quality?
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One more thing...can anyone tell me what Depodesta does to improve the teaM? annaliticks
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Now that the Browns have shown some success ... Care to share what that would be, mac? Better talent yielded inferior results! Heads will roll...
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Has Dorsey fired Kitchens yet? And trade for a QB We have a QB. With better coaching and game planning Baker will be better. He has a lot of talent. Giving up on him this early would be a mistake.
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Has Dorsey fired Kitchens yet? And trade for a QB We have a QB. With better coaching and game planning Baker will be better. He has a lot of talent. Giving up on him this early would be a mistake. No we don't... at most we have a backup QB with an attitude....
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I agree that giving up on baker would be dumb. Look the guy will be given his whole rookie contract to prove he can be the guy.
But if we get someone like McCarthy or mcdaniels as HC, baker has got to show improvement under those guys. He might (questionably) get a mulligan for this season due to the HC and some below average OL play, but let’s be clear: his recent comments with regards to offseason improvements is concerning about his individual character and work ethic.
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sports.yahoo.com/john-dorsey-not-completely-safe-153223722.html
John Dorsey is “not completely safe” in Cleveland
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Mike Florio
As the Browns prepare, by all appearances and indications, to part ways with coach Freddie Kitchens as soon as tonight, the question becomes whether that will be the end or the beginning.
Questions have emerged regarding the status of G.M. John Dorsey. As one source with knowledge of the dynamics in Cleveland explained it to PFT on Sunday morning, Dorsey is “not completely safe.”
On one hand, the firing of Dorsey would be a surprise, and unwarranted. Dorsey arrived during the 2017 season, and he promptly began infusing talent into the organization. Remember the rash of trades in early 2018, which showed that the Browns were serious about turning things around? Then, Dorseys’ decision to pounce on quarterback Baker Mayfield with the first pick in the 2018 draft was viewed as a stroke of genius; Dorsey also added cornerback Denzel Ward four picks later and, one round later, likely 2019 rushing champion Nick Chubb.
Earlier this year, Dorsey finagled a trade for gamebreaking receiver Odell Beckham Jr., which created even more excitement in the aftermath of last year’s 7-8-1 record. Dorsey also rolled the dice on 2017 rushing champion Kareem Hunt, who became available after last year’s off-field ugliness prompted the Chiefs to cut him loose.
But with the good comes the not-so-good. Dorsey is believed to have been the driving force behind bringing offensive coordinator Todd Haley to town in 2018, over the objection of former head coach Hue Jackson, who wanted to continue to be his own offensive coordinator. It didn’t work out, spectacularly.
Then, Dorsey was the guy who wanted to make Kitchens the head coach, even though he hadn’t been groomed for the gig. It hasn’t worked out, somewhat spectacularly.
Despite Mayfield’s strong performance as a rookie, his regression in 2019 coincided with the rise of Lamar Jackson, a budding superstar whom the Browns easily could have had in 2018, given the cluster of picks in the first two rounds. It’s not a stretch to think that Jimmy or Dee Haslam have raised the question, subtly or otherwise, as to whether Dorsey considered Lamar Jackson instead of Mayfield, especially since Jackson has become the league MVP with the team that used to be the Browns. Dorsey was still the G.M. in Kansas City when the Chiefs traded up to get Patrick Mahomes; it’s natural to wonder what Dorsey saw, or didn’t see, in Jackson.
It’s also natural to wonder whether the 2018 or 2019 version of Baker Mayfield will be the version of Baker Mayfield in 2020, and beyond.
Then there’s the Beckham trade, which sold tickets and jerseys but didn’t produce results. The Beckham move ultimately calls into question Dorsey’s team-building skills. The Browns have talented players, but who are the leaders? Who are holding people accountable? How do the strong personalities fit together? Who is grooming Baker Mayfield, getting him to properly direct his intense competitiveness in the right direction, while avoiding some of the issues that arise from time to time?
The X factor in the final analysis could be chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. At one point during the season, rumors were swirling that DePodesta could be bumped ahead of Dorsey on the pecking order. That didn’t happen. Recently, however, a league source suggested that, if DePodesta were willing to relocate on a full-time basis to Cleveland, DePodesta would have a much larger role in the organization.
DePodesta’s influence becomes a more significant consideration, for now. With two years’ worth of fodder for “I told you so,” the Haslams could decide that the next best thing to DePodesta calling the shots on a full-time basis would be hiring a G.M. that DePodesta hand selects.
Again, this doesn’t mean Dorsey will be out. He may get another year, or more. But as the source said there’s a chance that ownership will decide not only to change coaches but also to change General Managers when the dust soon settles on the 2019 season.
Depo keeps hanging in there, and has made recommendations that would have worked out had his opinions been heeded rather than Dorsey tossing his voice to the curb and not given a second thought. If I was Haslam, I would make Depo team president with Dorsey reporting to him. Dorsey is a great scout much like Savage. We saw how that worked out. Too bad we didn't keep John Collins. The guy was a first rate administrator. Dorsey doesn't know squat about team building, contracts, salary cap or strategy. I am beginning to think the guy is a doofus. He is a "football guy", but not a very smart football guy.
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Has Dorsey fired Kitchens yet? And trade for a QB We have a QB. With better coaching and game planning Baker will be better. He has a lot of talent. Giving up on him this early would be a mistake. No we don't... at most we have a backup QB with an attitude.... Although it might not look like it now we do have a QB. Look what he did his rookie year. Give Baker more time.
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Has Dorsey fired Kitchens yet? And trade for a QB We have a QB. With better coaching and game planning Baker will be better. He has a lot of talent. Giving up on him this early would be a mistake. No we don't... at most we have a backup QB with an attitude.... Although it might not look like it now we do have a QB. Look what he did his rookie year. Give Baker more time. No problem in giving him more time, but do not give him the team. Also more important is the new HC, and it should be the new HC deciding who is the QB of his team. Nobody playing at Baker level should be starting in an NFL team.
Last edited by rastanplan; 12/29/19 06:55 PM.
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