DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns fire Freddie Kitchens

Dorsey is gone if the coach is McDaniels. It's that simple.

He has a chance to stick around with anyone else.

He is definitely safe.

YES!!!!!

The Browns will never be good because of them.

That was about 100 grit.

Hopefully Higgins and Njoku will get another chance. They both have talent to help this team. Then again so did Avery.

Bye bye Fred. Guess it isn't as easy as you thought it was.

It sure seems like it.

You never know with this team though.

Comprehensive approach, my ass. If Haslam, et al had applied this comprehensive approach before, McDermott would be the head coach, but no - Jimmah wanted Hubris. If we applied this approach last year, Stefanski would probably have been the head coach, but Dorsey ( who know what leaders of men are - LOL), selects Kitchens.

I like Freddie but he is no "Leader of Men". The Browns have not a had a leader since Marty.

They HAD to get it right this year. I have zero faith they know how to pick a high quality coach.

I hate to see a 1 year coach get fired but he was a poor play caller, bad decision maker, failed continuously to learn from previous mistakes, and clearly did have leadership qualities that is required to coach a team in the NFL. Good luck

meeting one was to announce, he's out,

2nd, was to say/appreciate/threaten, who wants to still be a Brown,

3rd meeting was to say they have a plan/process/structure to move forward,

and then everyones excused to go start drinking as realize there's no plan/process/structure except what's been tried in the past.

No worries.

I said in the off season if FK didn't make the playoffs he was one and done
What did he so eloquently say after he got hired.
IF YOU DON'T WEAR BROWN AND ORANGE YOU DON'T MATTER
GUESS WHAT TUBBY .....YOU DON'T MATTER

One thing I want from a New Coach,

Can they go one year without any player-games lost to suspension!

Time to get McCarthy!

I always thought that was a terrible quote and was a little disheartened that it caught on as much as it did.

I can understand the "onto the next opponent" mentality as a way to focus players, but that was not the context.

It matters what other teams do.. how they play, who their coaches are, what schemes they run, and so on. You can't be a great team if you don't understand the league and the teams that are in it.

The biggest thing for me is that it was OBVIOUS he didn't know what he was doing. It doesn't appear that he asked for help especially the play calling. The continuous nonsense he spewed at his pressers and the whole "1-0" thing were irritating. There was no apparent ability to lead this team. Lack of discipline, repeatedly not having the team ready to play and his in game management mishaps are also on the list of reasons to have removed him.

So, in the last 20 years, I'm coming up with 11 head coaches for the browns? (including interim head coaches like williams, etc.) Do I have that right?

Just get someone with some proven track record, respect, and discipline. Then get the best OC you can

Discipline. If you can't control these guys you're going to get trampled. Freddie got absolutely steam rolled. The players may not like the next man up for what he might bring but it is needed.

Jimmy Haslam is a loser as an owner. He stinks this organization up and I'm sorry that I can't muster ANY confidence in what he does.

You are basically saying a rudderless ship.

Confirmed.

MCCARTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I second that … +1

It better be worth it.

It BETTER be worth it. Freddie was trash, but if we hire another 1st year HC with barely any coordinator experience, then what was the point?

It better be a guy with a very good resume.

Freddie has no one to blame but himself. His inexperience coupled with a ridiculous arrogance and the inability to learn from his mistakes made this inevitable.

I have no faith in the Ownership or the GM to find a competent replacement.

Cheers!

NO BLEEPING COORDINATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like Dorsey is staying put, which is a good thing. We just need to get the right coach this time. Kitchens was an extreme gamble in the first place, getting the job basically from a 6 game resume as an Offensive Coordinator. The fact that he didn't bother to retain much of the staff from the 6-2 staff from last season put a fork in any continuity we might have hoped to maintain. It was evident right away that the team lacked focus and discipline, and that leadership from the top was missing.

I absolutely hate firing coaches/front-offices and want to maintain continuity as much as possible. But this was an unmitigated disaster. Keeping this continuity would do nothing but set the franchise back and probably destroy any chance Baker had of being a franchise QB. Say what you want about Hue, but his players always seemed to play for him. Freddy's players quit on him 3 games ago. He had to go.

Let's hope we can get someone who can hold everyone accountable, and get all the egos out of Berea. Coaches included. I feel like this whole season has been one big ego trip from Dorsey on down. Everyone felt they'd be unstoppable after going 6-2 last year, and felt they could do no wrong.

Chris Palmer
Butch Davis
Terry Robiskie (interim)
Romeo Crennel
Eric Mangini
Pat Shurmur
Rob Chudzinski
Mike Pettine
Hubris Jackson
Gregg Williams (interim)
Freddie ain't Ready

11 sounds right.

i think williams would of been better.

Freddie WASN'T Ready~~!!

Not me. I think we are blessed that Mike McCarthy is still available

whatever

You know what I mean.

I agree 100% - I wanted him gone. I just have some feelings for the guy as he seemed genuine and a real nice guy. For me - as annoying as some of the pressers and apparent attitude was ... I believe it was as a result of pressure and the newness of so much responsibility. End of the day it's a very tough industry - but he got extremely well compensated for his hire and firing.

I guess to try and imagine what the change was like - any of us with a job working for an organization - imagine on Monday trying to do your boss's boss's job. No matter what you *think* you know - and no matter how much you think you can do better than your boss, when you do fill their shoes, there is ALWAYS a ton of intricacies or just "stuff" you have to learn how to deal with that you didn't know about before ... taking 2 steps up is a huge deal.

I was on record to fire him at the bye. We should’ve done it then.

Thank God this is OVER,

Bring back Mangini he did more with less and this will not be a @#$% show football team, it will be greatness returning to the lake.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

Next question: What coach in their right mind would want to go to a team that in 20 years has fired 11 coaches?

He better be. He has assembled more talent than any other GM since the return. If they fire him and clean house again I'm done. That I won't abide.

I see all of Freddie Fan Club have gone into hiding now

I think we'll be surprised. I'd sign a 3-5 year contract for a years worth of work!!!

I liked Mangini as a HC ... not as a GM.