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Freddie had his chance, what do you want another Hue Jackson?

Hire Mike McCarthy

Any chance the Chargers are dumb enough to fire Anthony Lynn? If so, he would be a GREAT hire IMO.

Frickin' low life media.

I'll take the zero on that one.

wkyc is a garbage station anyways...Cleveland media is easily the worst in the nation..bunch of clickbaiting hacks

Should a never got hired in the first place

Maybe Kitchens can wear a shirt that says
"Pittsburgh started it...but Cleveland fired me"

No, and that's the problem. It scares me as a fan of this team, that I am not quite sure these people (the Haslams) don't know what they are doing when it comes to picking the right people to get this franchise in order. Obviously hiring Dorsey has brought us better talent, but coaching is just as important as talent, and they look really dumb after hiring a guy who started the 2018 as a positional coach.

It is totally unfair to Freddie to not give him more than a year, if you look at his side of things, but I think we realized his potential about 3 quarters of the way through when they couldn't win against a beat-up pittsburgh team starting an undrafted rookie at QB. They have been unprepared in most games.

There's no way you could give this guy another year, because the textbook says coaches need multiple years to build systems, relationships, etc.. because it really wasn't going to get that much better.

I just hope they get it right, otherwise things next year at this time could get REAL ugly.

Currently Pettine is trending on Twitter.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't matter because that list of coaches is about as long as the list of coaches who, in their right mind, are actually willing to work for Jimmah Haslam and Lord Dorsey.

Crap runs down hill.

Especially since it's rumored that Haslam likes McDaniels, I think he's overrated. like most NE coordinators, it's a system that Bill runs well, all other NE guys taht have gotten HC shots have failed.

They took it down... now they are trying to cover it up.

What was it?

j/c...

Brutal.

A snippet from Jason Lloyd's article in The Athletic...

As the season circled the drain these last few weeks, a handful of Browns players privately began shredding Kitchens. I don’t know if it was the majority who were unhappy with him or just a vocal minority. I do know that I’ve been doing this a long time and I haven’t heard players speak about a coach the way some of these guys ripped Kitchens. Simply put, too many believed he didn’t know what he was doing.

I'm not happy we continue to not have continuity, but, as many of you have already said, this firing needed to be done. Now it's on to the next HC.

Personally, I'd like Rivera, I read he's meeting with the Skins tomorrow, if they don't jump in and sign him, I'd be on the phone with him.

I truly hope it's not McDaniels, I don't trust the NE coaching tree, it's been a terrible failure, with Strong, RAC, Mangini, and McDaniels first go as Denver's HC. No Thanks.

I'd rather give a good OC a shot and yes, I actually prefer OC's over DC's as HC's, just my pet peeve. lol Now, I'd back McCarthy if he's hired but I can't say that I'm not skeptical, at both him being hired and how he would do.

Another thing that will need addressing, the OL. It's not good and with mighty mouse at QB, he will need some solid protection. Although, was thinking, can we package Baker and Njoku and get a No.2? If so, we pick at No.10, trade 10, the 2, and next years first to the Giants, who are at pick 4, then we can draft Jalen Hurts. Bengals pick 1, they're taking Burrow, Skins pick 2, they got Haskens, Lions pick 3, they won't go QB, so we coudl have Hurts at 4. Sounds good too me.

I don't trust the Haslems to do anything right.

Why would you?

I don't see any respectable coach coming here knowing he will be fired after a year. We'll likely get stuck with another rookie head coach. We've constantly fired people for 20 years and it has not produced any positive results. Eventually they need to give a coaching staff time.

A respectable coach that does a good job won't be fired after one year. All thos coaches we've had and fired, deserved it, except Kyle Shannahan, but I think he chose to leave. Garbage coaches get fired, good coaches stay hired.

Yes - Jalen Hurts. There is the answer - wtf.

I hated the hire to HC. He should have been OC at best but the only way to keep him in town was to make him HC. Doomed philosophy from the start.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I never bought into the hype. Watching the drama through training camp and then getting blown out opening day at home along with 18 penalties, was no shock to me. I longed for consistent improvement and then got tastes of what could be only to be brought back to reality, that he was just not HC material at this point in time.

He's taller than mighty midget, so he won't get every other pass batted down, he's a winner (except LSU but that was on the whole team, their D gave up the points, not Hurts), he can scramble and run, plus, he's a good passer. He'll go second at QB behind Burrows.

Now, I think Baker has talent, but he was compared to Drew Brees, and by Drew himself, I've never seen Brees look as bad as Baker has looked at times this season. I'm betting Brees would like to retract that statement.

Browns record under the ownership of one Jimmah Haslam from 2012-2019:

33-94-1

That's a winning percentage of .262

Makes you almost long for the days of Randy Lerner who went 56-104 .350 while not caring.

So who is at the presser tomorrow morning? Dorsey or Haslam or both? If DePodesta is there I would take it as a sign of things to come. If Dorsey is going to stick around then I think he would have to answer some tough questions (that will not be asked).

I'm not a fan of either era, I'd like to see some winning football in Cleveland, on a consistent basis. That would be something new and refreshing.

I'm guessing you never watched Brees in his first 3 seasons? When he was benched for Flutie?

But most HC contracts are written for 3 or 4 years with an option year. Freddie doesn’t need to go to the unemployment office tomorrow

Ha! One might say it's the greatest gig in sports. 1 year of work with 3-4 yrs paid vacation.

Freddie had to go, but it just goes to show the total ineptness of this dumpster fire franchise.

How many head coaches will we be paying next year? (after researching) I guess it will only be two - Kitchens and whomever we hire next. Hue Jackson's contract comes off the books after this 2019 season. Pettine's came off the books after 2017.

Just think in 2016 we paid Chudzinski, Pettine AND Jackson to coach the Browns. And all three of them stunk! LOL (I'd actually take Pettine back in a heartbeat).

Depo to the rescue. They should have listened to him the last few hires. John needs to get over his distaste for what Depo brings.

Drew Brees' 1st 3 season amounted to 29 TDs and 31 Ints. His 3rd season was 11 TD and 15 INT. He was bad enough for the Chargers to get the 1st overall pick and draft Manning/trade down for Rivers. Then his 4th season he exploded to 27 TD to 7 INT and turned in to the Franchise QB.

It is a hard stat to think about. On the other hand, at least Haslam wasn't cheap about it and kept them around for another 2-3 seasons. It's a good thing coaching doesn't count against the cap. If it did, we would be in big trouble.

The case against Fred was he took a 10-12 win team and won 6 the case for Mangini was he took a 2 win team and won 5.

The Browns as we speak have as much talent as any team in the league and won 6 games that is why Fred got fired. Mangini got fired for winning 5 games with a 2 win team, you just never could understand that.

I see some things never change....

Brees sucked his 1st few years in the league his last season in SD he started really flashing then when he left in FA and landed in NO his career took off.

Mayfield needs to eliminate all and every distraction and focus on football. The next head coach can help him by building the Browns to run the football 1st.

That video is tough to see, because we can all relate to being crushed and depressed (whatever that moment is).

I just saw it quickly, but it appeared like he went back in the building for something? And they didn’t let him ... or shuffled him back outside quickly?

I thought Mangini was a good coach. I don't think we look back at this point.

I'd trust you a lot more if you could correctly name Alabama's QB.

Unless you truly mean Jalen Hurts, in which case...don't make scouting your day job.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12...ilm-review.html