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McCarthy will interview with the Browns Reported on Cleveland.com … There is our next HC I hope

How can Dorsey do his job with his hands tied? Yea Freddie was a bad choice but don't handcuff Dorsey because of it. Haslem can keep his money. I would rather resign then be a GM in title only. I'm sure there are plenty of teams that would love to have Dorsey as their GM.

And could apparently be Dorsey's next boss. that is if McCarthy, or whoever the next coach is, decides to keep him.

I figure McCarthy will keep him since they worked together in GB

I hope so but you never know. What happens if McCarthy wants to be coach and GM? The Browns are still one screwed up franchise.

If McCarthy gets hired then he, Dorsey, Wolfe, and Hightower will all be back together again

If that happens and the Browns become true SB contenders I will be happy!

We might be losing Hightower to UM anyway.

Mike Silver is so tough to watch on air.

McCarthy has 125-77-2 regular season record, 10-8 playoff record, 6 division titles, 3 NFC title appearances, and a SB title.

I’ll take that all day everyday.

As HC??

If the Dictionary had Talking Head in it there would be a picture of Silver

I have bit more news, this time on UM front: Alonzo Highsmith joining UM in chief of staff role, running football, has emerged as real possibility, per sources. No deal at this time but UM strongly looking at this now.

https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1211769909673365505

Me too!

Hire McCarthy. Fire Dorsey.

Fixed it for you.

i agree

The Chiefs obviously didn't.

I like Dorsey, but he isn't the magic man who walks on water. He hired a coach who wasn't near ready. He owns that. That move cost us possible playoffs.

I don't want him fired. I just don't want that guy with unfettered control.

The road behind you isn't the same as the road ahead.

He isn't magic but he is far better than we have ever had after Butch.

Its either Dorsey or the Haslams... so give him unfettered control if you need.

A good thing about Dorsey is that he has no problem recognizing his mistakes and correcting them, that is how you improve.

Expect some major changes....

I hope so.

If one is being truly objective, Dorsey has been an unmitigated disaster this year and has essentially undone most of the good he did the year before.

I have to say, we had it right with Williams as head coach and Freddie as OC. But noooo, John couldn't have Williams as his coach. He actually has some hair on his ass and would voice his opinions. John can't have that.

As Cleveland Browns look for a new coach, what about the front office?

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12...-next-move.html
By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Firing coach Freddie Kitchens was the easy part for the Browns.

No need to detail the problems of the rookie head coach. Fans know all about it after watching their team lose 4 of 5 games to finish 6-10.

The big question is this: What’s next?

That’s right. . . WHAT is next? Not just WHO is next.

If the Browns had a front office operating with the full confidence of ownership, next would be General Manager John Dorsey running the search for a coach and hiring his man.

That was the situation a year ago, when Dorsey picked Kitchens. It ended up being a disaster.

That was especially damaging to Dorsey because Chief Operating Officer Paul DePodesta backed Minnesota offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski for the job.

Owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam were enamored with Dorsey a year ago as the team finished strong for a 7-8-1 record. They let him name his coach. It’s a shame it didn’t work out.

I prefer a front office set up with the coach reporting to the general manager, and the GM reporting to ownership.

WHY CHANGE IS COMING

After Kitchens, it’s clear ownership will not be giving Dorsey the same freedom as a year ago. Nor is it fair to fault the Haslams for Kitchens. They allowed Dorsey to make that call.

Meanwhile, DePodesta and the analytics department recommended the Browns hire Sean McDermott over Hue Jackson in 2017. Former team vice president Sashi Brown also favored McDermott. Ownership preferred Jackson.

McDermott has become a successful head coach in Buffalo, which is in the playoffs for the second time in his three seasons there.

Stefanski had a good year calling plays for Minnesota. Would he have been better than Kitchens? Who knows? Probably, given the disastrous coaching issues the Browns experienced this season.

That’s why I’m hearing DePodesta will have a strong say in the selection of the head coach. I also expect ownership to be more involved. Not sure where that leaves Dorsey, at least when it comes to this big decision.

WHAT’S NEXT?

One executive told me the Browns could put DePodesta in charge of the football operation, much as Brown was in 2017. Dorsey could remain with the GM title but be more a player personnel director, concentrating on the draft and free agency.

I’m not sure that will end up being the case. My guess is DePodesta’s recommendations will be taken even more seriously than in the past – but he won’t run the football department.

But as the executive said, the Browns are interested in New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. The last time McDaniels was a head coach, he also was in charge of the football operation in Denver. That was a mess.

Would McDaniels be willing to work under DePodesta? I’ve heard rumors of the Browns dreaming of pairing McDaniels with New England player personnel director Nick Caserio. Both played at John Carroll University and have Northeast Ohio roots. Is that enough to attract them to a team that is looking for its sixth coach since 2012?

According to the Boston Globe, Caserio’s contract with the Patriots runs until after the 2020 draft. Would the Pats let him out early? They blocked a chance for him to go to Houston last season as GM.

To confuse matters more, another NFL executive told me that not a lot is changing in terms of Dorsey’s role. Dorsey will be meeting with the media Tuesday to discuss the firing of Kitchens and the coaching search.

So perhaps the changes won’t be as big as I expect.

But for the Browns, the big WHAT is the structure of the front office and how that impacts the coaching search.

THE FIRST DECISION

Who is picking the coach? Who is picking the players? Who is running the front office?

That is what ownership must decide while also searching for a coach.

In the past, the Haslams had a pyramid setup. The coach and GM were on the same level — the base of the pyramid — with both reporting to the owners.

That changed with Dorsey in charge of Kitchens.

Do the Haslams return to a pyramid, which can lead to the coach in a power struggle with the front office?

DePodesta has at least one year left on his contract (unless it’s been extended). He signed a 4-year deal when hired in 2016. So did Sashi Brown, who is still being paid by the Browns while now working for the NBA’s Washington Wizards as a senior vice president.

THE COACHING SEARCH

The names emerging are all over the coaching map.

There’s Mike McCarthy, a veteran former head coach of the Green Bay Packers. He has a close relationship with Dorsey.

There’s Stefanski reportedly heading back for another interview.

There’s McDaniels, who has flirted with the Browns several times dating back to 2013.

There are coordinators Greg Roman (Baltimore, offense), Robert Saleh (San Francisco, defense) and Brian Daboll (Buffalo, offense).

The hiring of Kitchens (and some other moves) damaged the reputation of Dorsey with ownership and is leading to some type of front office restructuring.

One way for the Haslams to find the right coach is to figure out who will really be running the front office. That has to be the first move.

And I'll add undone most of the good Sashi had laid out.

That is kind of true, Rishuz. Although OBJ would’ve worked better if he had not been hurt all year and misused when he did play.
But JD messed up the OL, did not nail the draft and left us thin on the DL. Worst of all, he forced a bad coach on us. I still think he is a good GM, but he should not be in control.

And they are needed. But let's get the next coach and staff in here first so that changes are in sync with the 'new plan'...

I felt that Sashi was on the right track and needed one more year before his plan started to bear fruit...

U just don’t get it .... ....

Thank god u guys get it ... ...

1000% spot on about this. John wants guys to kiss his ring and fall in line. That's not a great type of leader. A great leader, and a great GM, takes input from others and values others opinions. Your only as good as the people working for you. If you are hiring people based on the fact they are not as good as you - your not going to be good yourself.

U guys seriously think thats why GW didn’t get the job ... ...

I’d bet NO decision makers wanted him ...

Now that Freddies gone I see KJ has now become the lighting rod for everything rotten with this team ...

Some of the menZas even wish we had kept Sashi ... madness i tell ya, MADNESS ...

No we didn't. GW shouldn't even be in the NFL, and my feelings is that its not going to take long for him to be out.

I think there were reports in the past about john not working well with others in KC, and that was a big reason why he was let go, if not THE reason.

I can criticize John and still want him as the GM. Why do you think that a criticism means someone wants him gone?

JD is far from perfect, but hes still to this date better at evaluating talent than anyone we have had previously. But if you think evaluating talent is the only thing a GM does, you are in for a rude awakening. John has some big deficiencies when it comes to being a great leader.

Its been written about, reported, and surely was FACT when he hired FK as the HC that he doesn't want a HC that will clap back at him.

FYI, I didn't want GW as the HC - but he would have been by far a better pick than Freddie. Your boy failed miserably with that. MISERABLY

I think Dorsey has a good eye for talent. I don't know that he's the best we've had.

I keep hearing that people wanted Williams as HC and Kitchens as OC. And why didn't we just keep that dynamic. There was no guarantee Kitchens would have remained OC if Williams gets the HC job. I had long thought this was the hiccup in this scenario. The key for Dorsey was having Kitchens work with Baker. No one wanted to have Kitchens forced on them so Dorsey made Kitchens the HC.

It was a disaster of epic proportions.

Call me mad, I say....MAD!

j/c...

I don't know whether this is factual or not, but if it is, then our new HC search is going to be tough and may present some dysfunction down the road...

Its an opinion, but its based on the reports and stories from when John was let go from KC, and how he marched to his own drum despite others opinions. I believe the reported said (paraphrasing), "John would just do things out of the blue, with no explanation, no reasoning, he just to do it. "