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Definitely not the first time this has been discussed but I haven't seen it in the past few months. Plus with Leopard coming out soon, this should make things interesting.
My computer's over 2 years old and is starting to chug a bit...I want to squeeze another year/year and a half out of it but I may need to abort those plans if this gets slower. I know there's ways to speed it up but like my family's computer (which they learned the hard way) you can have a guy clean up the computer and it still won't perform like it originally did if you want to keep the MP3 and picture files and such.
I've noticed a lot of people around campus using Macbooks recently. I've had a chance to toy around with an iMac as well, I like what I see so far even though I don't know it nearly as well as Windows.
Any thoughts for future reference? Plus this could help out those looking for a new computer as well.
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pc's are considerably cheaper and easier to have worked on.... it doesn't matter what anyone says here to you though because you'll have the whole windows vs osx debate and then some dork will start talking about linux... 
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All I know is the wife just sold us out for an Apple,...so I have to get used to the damn thing because that's where all the power is (so to speak,...)
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II have always had PC's, but I might be looking at an Apple the next time I buy. I keep hearing that Macs take a little getting used to, but that once you get used to them, they are much better than pc's as far as ease of use. Plus, I am amazed at Microsoft products, such as the ipod-which is incredibly easy to use, and it's development eclipses that of any other mp3 player.
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I used Mac's until 2002 or so. When my iBook died, I got a PC....I've had THREE since then. NEVER AGAIN. You will find plenty of arguments in both directions. I say keep playing around on the Mac and see what you think. 
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pc's are considerably cheaper and easier to have worked on.... it doesn't matter what anyone says here to you though because you'll have the whole windows vs osx debate and then some dork will start talking about linux...
True but with a Mac you can have OS X, Windows and Linux all on the same machine!
1. It just works.
How much time have you spent troubleshooting your PC? Imagine a computer designed by people who hate to waste time as much as you do. Where all the hardware and software just works, and works well together. Get a Mac and get your life back.
2. You can make amazing stuff.
Every Mac comes with iLife, a suite of software that transforms your photos, music, and video into all kinds of projects. Make high-quality websites, photo books, DVDs, songs, slideshows, music CDs, calendars, cards, prints, podcasts, music videos, documentaries, and more.
3. Everything-ready.
The Mac is the only computer in the world that can run all the major operating systems, including Mac OS X, Windows XP, and Vista. With software like Parallels Desktop or VMware Fusion you can even run them side by side.
4. 114,000 viruses? Not on a Mac.
Mac OS X was designed for high security, so it isn’t plagued by constant attacks from viruses and malware like PCs. Likewise, it isn’t plagued by never-ending security dialog boxes like those in Vista. So you can safely go about your work — or play — without interruption.
5. Still the most advanced OS.
No other operating system, Vista included, offers the rich features and simplicity of Mac OS X. And just as Vista tries to get closer (emphasis on “tries”), Mac OS X Leopard is right around the corner — ready to leap even farther ahead.
6. The latest Intel chips.
Intel Core 2 Duo processors are fast. As in really fast. But unlike any PC powered by Intel, the Mac runs Mac OS X — which is optimized to squeeze every bit of performance out of Intel’s engines.
7. No hunting for drivers.
Just about everything works with Mac — even the stuff you used with your old PC. All you have to do is plug it in. A Mac has USB drivers for printers, external drives, digital cameras, input devices, iPod, and more. It can see Bluetooth cell phones and headsets, as well as FireWire cameras. No rebooting, no hassles.
8. Design that turns heads.
You won’t want to hide your Mac in a corner of the den. You’ll want it front and center in your life. The Apple style shows in every detail, from its sculpted surfaces to its gorgeous Mac OS X graphics.
9. Instant video chats.
Setting up a video chat with the people next door — or across the globe — should be as simple as picking up the phone. On a Mac, you just click an icon to have a four-way video chat in a full-screen window with amazing clarity and special effects.
10. More fun with photos.
On a Mac, you don’t need any extra software to make a photo book. You don’t have to leave your photo software to visit a separate website and wait for forms to load. All you need is a camera and a Mac.
11. Hollywood-style movies.
Connect your DV camera and turn your movies into spectaculars. Add graphics, titles, and sound effects in minutes. Then use your Mac to burn a DVD or post to your website.
12. One-click websites.
How long does it take to post a photo or video to your blog on a PC? On a Mac, you can shoot a picture or a movie with the built-in camera, then post it on the web in a few clicks. Pontificate, preachify, and publish. The hardest part is coming up with something to say.
13. Amazing podcasts.
Want to get your message out to the world? Podcast it. A Mac makes it simple to create professional podcasts, complete with artwork. Add sound effects and jingles, even use the built-in radio engineer to make it perfect. So you can be a talk star in seconds.
14. Rock star tunemaking.
Musicians get all the girls (or guys). And a Mac has the software to turn you into the musician of your dreams. Choose from hundreds of cool riffs and instruments to create your own songs. Get good enough and you could be on iTunes. More
Awesome
15. Awesome out of the box.
Other computers include software, it’s true. But once you start using that software, you find that you’re hobbled in some way or another. Software included with the Mac, on the other hand, is critically acclaimed as best in class.
Thinking about upgrading to Vista? Even more reasons to get a Mac.
1. No upgrade nightmares.
Before you can even think about Vista, you’ll likely need a new PC. Or upgrades for memory, hard disk, and graphics card. Why go through all that hassle, when you can just get a Mac?
2. You can even run Windows.
The Mac gives you choices. With the latest software options, an Intel-powered Mac can easily run Vista or Windows XP applications. Not that you’ll want to.
3. It’s simpler.
No need to choose from the many (and expensive) flavors of Vista. Every Mac runs the same Mac OS X — with the full set of industry-leading features.
4. You don’t have to buy new stuff.
Your existing printer, camera, keyboard, and mouse will work with a Mac. PCs and Macs can usually share peripherals if they connect via USB, FireWire, or Bluetooth, three industry standards available on every Mac.
5. Know iTunes? You know Mac.
You’ll recognize features like the library collection, playlist arrangement, and instant search in many Mac applications. So you’re something of a Mac expert already.
6. Macs run Microsoft Office.
Microsoft Office for Mac OS X gives you Word, PowerPoint, and Excel, all with familiar features and shortcut commands. For collaborative work, Office for Mac connects to Microsoft Exchange servers.
7. You can take it with you.
Most popular applications for Mac and PC use the same file formats, making it simple to exchange documents with friends and coworkers or move existing files from a PC to a Mac.
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Buy a Mac, you can't go wrong!
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Except for laptops, I use what I can build myself. I consider Macs to be an overpriced status symbol. Others may value what they offer, but I don't.
We own three XP desktops that I built myself (all 3 fold at 100% load 24/7/365) and a Gateway laptop with Vista. All run well with no problems whatsoever.
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Use what works for you. Windows does what I want/need it to do, I have no need to look elsewhere.
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Does Apple have the never-ending updates that automatically get loaded?? I friggin hate that!!!!
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Does Apple have the never-ending updates that automatically get loaded?? I friggin hate that!!!!
Yes. ALL OS's have that unless you want to remain insecure as holes are found.
In the end Ammo, you should base your choices on what it is you envision using this for.
If you are going to have it for primarily school work only, then it probably doesn't matter.
If you are going to be doing the heavy gaming on it, you're gonna want to stick with Windows.
All of that aside, if you machine as-is is enough to do the things you need it to do, then you really should just get the thing tweaked up a bit and save your money.... -OR- buy the cheapest freakin thing you can find. If what you have is good enough, then the cheapest thing you can find will likely be overkill.
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If you can't figure out how to use windows properly and have tons of problems with it, get a mac. one of their biggest selling points is apparently that they're the most idiot-proof machines available. if you want to get more performance for your money or have any intention of gaming, get a pc. running windows on a mac machine creates significant performance degradation (a pc running windows with a core 2 duo is faster than a mac running windows with the same core 2 duo), so if you want to run windows applications, get windows, and save yourself a boat load of money.
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I thought you came up with that sales pitch yourself and was going to call you Mr. Jobs... until I saw the link.  PC is the only way to go!
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LOL!
Dude, get some memory. If your computer is slowing down thats the first easy upgrade. The computer never runs as fast as it did when it new so you have to keep upgrading as the system expands and has more stuff on it. I was thinking about a Powerbook but I could afford it. I really want to take some classes on MAC's b/c I know jack squat about them. They are intriguing
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Use what works for you. Windows does what I want/need it to do, I have no need to look elsewhere.
I agree. I have a PC (laptop and home). I'm in the music industry as well and most good music programs are windows based even though most are changing to Mac as well. The laptop that I have is a Dell and it is 2.8GHz and I have had no problems with it so far after 3 yrs. The home system was built by a friend with AMD 3500+ 64 bit processor and 1GB of memory. They're both fast enough and simple for what I do even though most of the major industry heads use iMac more than Windows.
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You should buy based on what you are as a user. Like games? PC is the better way to go generally. Like to upgrade your own stuff? PC Don't like to tinker with your computer? Mac Looking for a more streamlined interface? Probably Mac Looking to save money? PC Using it for work? What does your company use? There are arguments for and against any hardware platform, and by and large they are generally alot of marketing. Macs are not bad machines, but they are not appropriate for a major thing I do on my computer...games. They are also more expensive and not easily upgraded which is also something I like to be able to do. I have 4 computers...Two PC's with XP Pro, A laptop with XP Pro, and my main computer with Vista. Outside of the Vista computer I never have issues....Vista hasn't exactly thrilled me, but it is way more stable than at launch now. I built all my computers myself, and my main computer is a hard core gaming machine, but I probably have less than $1500 in it (Ok not as hard core as some  ). But while I can say I saved alot by building my own machines, that is not a reasonable path if you don't like troubleshooting your own problems. I will say I'd probably take a Mac over any of the "Brand name" PC companies. Dell, Gateway, HP, etc are generally not the greatest machines (though there are exceptions). Especially on the low end of the cost spectrum.
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I'm in the music industry as well and most good music programs are windows based even though most are changing to Mac as well.
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I came from the PC world. I manage an all Mac environment. Keeping a MAC network up and running is infinitely easier than keeping a Windows NT network up and running. I am happy with my Mac.
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It depends on your use. If all you want is an email checker and websurfer PC's your thing. Just for cost reasons. If you do alot of Video editing or music editing, you may seriously want to consider a Mac, because you will pay just a little more for a Mac versus a PC with enough power to do those tasks efficiently, and the Mac setup and software tend to more streamlined for such tasks. If you play alot of PC games and/or online video games, you may want to search around for their functionality on a Mac, even though the new Mac's OS is supposedly windows compatible, it is not 100%, especially when you get into such intensive programs such as games. Do some research to see what others who play the games you do have found in their experience. In the end it comes down to what you want it to do, and how much your willing to spend. USNavyDawg, See I can be objective in the PC vs Mac debate.
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Well, I keep hearing the cost factor in this thread....but it's changed a lot in the past year. Apple has reduced its prices to be more in line with PC prices with similar configurations (I think they're trying to gain a bigger share of the market with the popularity of the iPod & iPhone).
I was watching 'Attack of the Show' and some computer market share guru said that in many cases, Apple's hardware is slightly cheaper. If it's true, I think Apple can do this with all the money they're making off the iPod's.
PC's are way more for real gaming. Apple has a very, very small library of games (although EA just released their first line on the Mac).
Mac's are nice for people doing e-mail, internet surfing, picture management, movie editing and iTunes purchasing. PC's do a lot of that well too but Mac seem to be more "Mom and Pop specialized".
I've been a PC guy for my whole life....and I'm a month away from getting my first Mac. I'll be getting a iMac. The video editing is what I'm most interested in.
And like someone said above....you can run Windows on a Mac.
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Come on now. 
Go ahead and configure a machine at Apple, post the specs/price here, and I'll see what I can do at a PC manufacturer.
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I was watching 'Attack of the Show' and some computer market share guru said that in many cases, Apple's hardware is slightly cheaper. If it's true, I think Apple can do this with all the money they're making off the iPod's.
It is cheaper when you compare a Mac/Apple to a PC with similar capabilities. The difference in price for a lot of the "cheaper" machines are because they are inferior computers. They usually are lacking in RAM, hard drive size, processor speed, battery size (for laptops), etc. Apple tries not to provide computers that are deficient in an area that would cause a performance degradation and because of this they don't have a "budget" offering that competes with the lower end computers.
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Apple tries not to provide computers that are deficient in an area that would cause a performance degradation and because of this they don't have a "budget" offering that competes with the lower end computers.
Oh please. Have you looked the price of an iMac lately? A $1500 machine still only comes with 1GB of RAM and a junk video card. Upgrades are even more obscene.
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I used the word tries for a reason.
Also, 1 GB of RAM and the "junk" video card (which retails for ~$150 on it's own) is more than sufficient for OS X. Besides that, try to find a PC in an LCD display from any manufacturer and compare that cost / components against an iMac.
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no kidding.... that's the way Apple has *always* been.
You have to pay through the nose to get comparable equipment.... and even then, you're still stuck with only being able to go with "Mac Approved" hardware.
If "budget" is on your mind, Mac should not ever be.
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no kidding.... that's the way Apple has *always* been.
You have to pay through the nose to get comparable equipment.... and even then, you're still stuck with only being able to go with "Mac Approved" hardware.
If "budget" is on your mind, Mac should not ever be.
Yeah, I can acknowledge the other justifications for buying a Mac, but trying to justify the decision on price is grasping at straws.
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I used the word tries for a reason.
Also, 1 GB of RAM and the "junk" video card (which retails for ~$150 on it's own) is more than sufficient for OS X. Besides that, try to find a PC in an LCD display from any manufacturer and compare that cost / components against an iMac.
I'm not going to do the comparison for you guys. I told you. Post the specs/price here of a Mac and I'll post the equivalent PC (hardware) and we'll compare. Back up your statements if what you're saying is true. There are only a few Macs to choose from so it shouldn't be hard for you to post something compelling here.
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I used the word tries for a reason.
Also, 1 GB of RAM and the "junk" video card (which retails for ~$150 on it's own) is more than sufficient for OS X. Besides that, try to find a PC in an LCD display from any manufacturer and compare that cost / components against an iMac.
Go to Dell.com and step through the configurator for the XPS 410.
I just configured a Quad-Core 2.4GHz system with 2GB ram, dual-layer DVD burner and a MUCH better video card for the same amount.... with a 20" LCD screen.
I felt 'froggy', so I beefed it up with a 128MB Aegia PhysX card and bumped the drive to 500GB.
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Awwwwww. You sprung my trap before they fell into it. Damn. The quad was my secret weapon against all this "Mac video editing" superiority nonsense.
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hehe, well, just wait until Q1 '08 when there will be Native Quad's aplenty from AMD for dirt-cheap.... and then H2 '08 when Intel does its own native-quads.
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p.s. "Also, 1 GB of RAM and the "junk" video card (which retails for ~$150 on it's own) is more than sufficient for OS X"
That's a nice justification for overpaying for something.
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Have you ever used a Mac? And, you don't have to use Apple hardware.
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Yes you do. To be technically correct, you have to use hardware bought from Apple. Thats where Apple gets the "it just works" thing from. They only allow OSx to run on limited selection of hardware. If it was able to run on just about any piece of hardware out there like a PC, there would be more problems with it. Apple has plenty of good things about it, price and hardware options is not one of them.
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As squires said you do only have to go with their hardware. Now things like external hard drives and what not you can go in whatever direction but the core machine is up to apple's choosing.
PC's were designed to allow hardware manufacturers to make hardware and supply drivers for their device. Some companies make cheap parts and crappy drivers. Microsoft is beginning to fight them with vista and only allowing the good companies/drivers to use the vista compatible type label. Once too many problems arise from it (you know the messages that pop up when there's an error and says send to MS?) they put the company on notice and will stop endorsing their product.... smart move on their part imo.
apple makes a nice machine. It costs way too much for me though. I build my own PC's and haven't had a problem that wasn't self-induced in years.... Apples help keep it idiot proof. If you're an idiot... get one. You'll have a hard time breaking it.
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I thought he meant printers and things.  Forget I said it.
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That's why I love them...I am a computer idiot. I admit it. I don't CARE to know all the crap you have to know to keep a PC in tip-top shape...it's a giant PITA.
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Not really...
You need a good anti-spyware (I use Microsoft Defender and Spybot for check ups)
YOu need anti-virus. AVG Free...easy enough
You need to use your machine as a user and not as an admin.
A firewall doesn't hurt (I use a hardware firewall)
That about sums it up...
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And, IMO, it's a PITA to run all that stuff.  You have to download it, install it, set it up, and then acutally RUN it to make it work. At least I do with Spybot and AVG. I do it when I remember, which isn't often enough. And, I don't set it up for auto runs because if I did, I would be online when it ran and it takes an hour for AVG to run through it's crap, rending my computer practically useless.
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Defender does real-time scans as does AVG and Spybot. Have those running and it won't get on there. Scans are just for double checking and can be scheduled to run in the middle of the night...
I also schedule a nightly defrag of all of my drives...
defender comes pre-loaded on vista. A firewall is already on xp and vista. Only thing to download is avg...
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I have AVG....and that is all far above my head. Anyway....my next computer will be a Mac unless I happen to live next door to a computer nerd.
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