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So again I ask, who's fault is this...Depo or Haslam?

Haslam creates the dysfunction, not Depo.

The Browns are rotten from the top down. It is a stinking rotten culture that only happens when the very top is rotten.

Dorsey traded a third rounder for Tyrod. You can thank him.

Opinion...OK. But is any of this grounded in facts or you merely venting?

I don't believe anything he is saying is true.

Of course it's not.

I'll choose "b".

I think Depo loves to play in the numbers and collect info to help make decisions. That's all. Dorsey didn't like it apparently and only trusted the scouts to have an eye on, in person session. Info like Depos sure cant hurt and now Dorsey has lost. Maybe his info said trading good linemen was a horrible idea? Maybe it said hiring a half season long flashing O coordinator as HC would end badly? Who knows. Dorsey didn't like him and Haslam does. Which one writes the checks? Wolf and McCarthy seem to at least dabble in analyzing data so that seems to be a logical and hopefully smooth route. Time will tell.

I hate it when you hold back Mac.. Tell us how you really feel lol


I think you've gone off the rails a little bit here

Just the very simple debate between McDermott and Jackson should tell you much of what you need to know about how he can help the organization. Depo, of course, was on the side of hiring McDermott.

Rewind a few years. Both the Browns and the Bills were in tanking mode, or rebuilding mode, or whatever you want to call it. Article from ESPN that strongly suggests the Bills are tanking, from 2017: https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post...-are-they-doing

McDermott's Bills made the playoffs that year. Meanwhile Hue Jackson went 0-16, and won 3 games combined in 3 seasons.

The Bills are back in the playoffs again this season, and have a cumulative winning record these last 3 seasons.

About bringing back Hue for that third season, I don't know this for sure, but I am *very* confident that DePodesta would have been against that. Heck, he didn't even want Hue in the first place.

Stefanski vs Kitchens, need I say more? Probably not, but the football guy went to bat for Kitchens and we all know how that turned out.

I think you have to be careful with how much power you give to a guy like Depo, who is obviously extremely smart but also doesn't have a football background and doesn't work in the building full time. I also think that if you can weigh opinions like his properly, having a guy like that around can't hurt and will often help.

Saying that "nearly everyone favored the hire of Freddie based on his and the team's performance in the last half of the 2018 season" is simply not true, if we are talking about hiring him as a head coach.

I for sure was not in favor of hiring him as head coach, and many others on this board weren't either. I was in favor of keeping him as offensive coordinator if that were reasonably possible, and thought that was a fair and reasonable promotion for his efforts, and I believe I used close to those exact words to describe my thoughts.

I'm not trying to do the "aha, told you so" but this idea that hiring Freddie to be the full-time head coach was close to unanimous is just not true.

I suppose at some point I got on board with it because the "In Dorsey we trust" thing was in full swing, and I admit that I got caught up on that too for a while, and it sucks to be a downer when there was so much to be excited about at the end of last season and during the off-season.

Or he got him "way parted" because Ive yet to read about a firing but rather they parted ways over "organizational restructuring differences". Sneaky DePo...

Beats facts for simplicity. Not sure I could verify all the facts flying about here this morning.

Happy New Year incidentally.

Lost track here. Read some more, but this gets deeper and the body count is rising. At some point, "Suppose they gave a team and nobody came."

Lacking a viable team, I cannot be expected to contain my excitement over new uniforms Dee won't show us. Our priorities are more skew now than ever.

Educate yourself EO and try to apply some common sense...

link Dorsey and his top football executives had also been at odds with Browns Chiefs Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta, who oversees the analytics side.

DePodesta, whose contract is up after next season, has reportedly contemplated leaving the organization because he wasn’t being heard, but Haslam wanted him to stay.

Dorsey made a number of significant personnel moves since joining the Browns, helping to re-stock what was one of the least talented teams in the league.

What are you reading? Is there more than what the Canada guy with 11 followers tweeted?

Click on the above and read the whole thread. Wow, crazy stuff.

If we had listened to DePodesta, Sean McDermott would probably be our coach right now with the Browns in at least as good of shape as the Bills are.

I can see how suffering through years of the Hue and Freddie show would be a little frustrating, knowing he was totally against both of those moves in the first place.

That sounds made up.

He's up to 78 94 followers though.

Cam from Canada made that up. He had 11 followers prior to this.

He just tagged a bunch of people and got clicks.

We should have all known this the minute we saw that he tagged Tony Grossi & Aaron Goldhammer. You just don't do that if you're credible.

Take your hyperbole to buffalo.

Careful, mac might be right. Check out the Rappaport tweet in the HC thread.

No, he is not.

It's worthy of being in both threads!...

Those would have been a year apart though-- the Browns hired Hue in 2016 and the Bills hired McDermott in 2017.

We probably could have hired McDermott had we wanted to. I say 'probably' because it isn't unprecedented for a coordinator to turn down a head coaching job or interview, though I don't recall that ever being the case with McDermott. It was more that Haslam wanted Hue so Hue is who we got.

We need a partnership between GM and HC. The King and his stooge (sorry, Freddie) model wasn't working.

The rival prince (Sashi/Hue) model didn't work either.

Depo's the advisor that keeps getting ignored, but he looks right in hindsight.

We need fewer egos and more working together.

Unfortunately, huge egos make for better TV and that matters with the Haslams.

I like a lot about McDaniels, but ego may be the death of him. If he likes/respects the GM it might work, though.

Stefanski with Berry and Wolf might work. Need to research the Vikes OC some more. ...His lack of resume makes me really hesitant. Only 1 full year as a coordinator.

McCarthy is saying the right things, but I'm not sure I'm buying them. I don't see he and Baker meshing that well. Also, What GM wants to work with him?

Oh boy.

Haslams are going to Haslam.

Commit to a direction one way or another.

I don't think its made up at all. There were comments made of Dorsey implying that the organization needs football guys, and not nerds running the organization. So I'm not surprised of this stunt.

JC

So now we're to the point where the one dude who actually does his job is the scapegoat???

Wow.

I've always considered bidding on the "Dinner with Jimmy and Dee" auction when the Cleveland Browns Foundation holds their annual charity drive.

I picture my wife and I at their home while Jimmy and Dee argue over which meal should be served and ultimately the chef is fired before dinner is served.

Dude, it's made up. The guy had no twitter followers and threw out an unsubstantiated rumor on Twitter with nothing to back it up. He then tagged a bunch of reporters with checkmarks. He didn't list any sources or any other proof to substantiate his claim.

And then they bring in a homeless guy to advise them ..... so they fire the kitchen staff, and wonder why their food isn't coming.