DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns fire John Dorsey

You were told he had the final say. He made the final decsions. He was in charge. And he sucked at it. He now works in the NBA and has no part of the decision making. The evidence speaks for itself no matter how much you are in denial of it. 1-31

I knew she didnt write it. She is not the only troll in Cleveland.

You guys really need to make up your minds. Either the coaches stunk and didn't know how to use the talent Dorsey brought in or poor Freddie didn't have the talent to win with. It seems you're confused as to which one it was.

Everybody who is anybody raved about the talent Dorsey assembled before the season started. So much so that those actual people who know the sport predicted we would do very well this past season. That wasn't by accident.

So since Freddie mucked that all up, you're trying to rewrite history by claiming it was a talent problem.

You can blame Dorsey for hiring Freddie, but the leap some people make about the lack of talent is pure BS.

How's that working out for you right now?

So far so good.

If not, it's another reason to justify firing Dorsey.

God knows if you can come up with a reach on anything you will.

And reaches are what you do best. Tell us again about Desmond Harrison and Hue Jackson.

Tell us about the roster that the entire sports world feels has an abundance of talent that you can't see.

The thing is, you don't know that. I think based on previous recommendations, Depo probably is. I think who he endorses will be the hire

We also have no way to know how any other coach would have fared here under Jimmy "You get a pink skip, and you get a pink slip" Haslem.

My determination on that will be swayed according to who they hire. If it ends up being McDaniels it will be due to the long time lust the Haslam's have for him, not DePodesta.

And possibly it could work out fine...

Who knows.

Yes, and the same man who wanted C. Thomas, so much so that we traded up to get him.

No thank you

J/c

In terms of Dorsey, IMO he didn’t deserve to be fired AS MUCH as Freddie did ... but I’m okay with him being axed too. I see a lot of people talking about talent acquisition, and he did acquire SOME talent ... but it wasn’t cut and dry IMO. OBJ has been mixed, our draft picks have been a mix, etc. His biggest indictment is his poor job with the OL and HC selection.

Good grief! I have to call BS to this Twitter... John Dorsey did not need Andrew Berry's opinion on whether or not to Draft Baker ... he already knew that he would.

Talk about stretching the truth to its very limits.

He is part an parcel to the failed FOs' of the recent past.

Lets not go digging up dead bones.

All I have to say is that if Haslam ran his business like he has run the Browns, he would be bankrupt.

He has proven himself unworthy of any sort of respect.

Since you use records to justify FO success so often:

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And using media perception to justify a point is hilarious.

His truck stop business is a marketing business. All of the products he sells were created and built by other people. He simply has to make it more attractive to buy those products at his place of business.

Building an actual product to market is something he has no idea how to do. I mean "the fan experience" and new uniforms are marketing that has zero to do with building a winning product.

We are all witnesses.

j/c:

Yes, football experts across the country including former players, former HC's and former GM's means nothing. According to you....

Just because he named a HC that had no clue how to use that talent doesn't mean the talent isn't there.

The Freddie hire rests squarely on Dorsey's shoulders. The lack of talent BS you're spewing exists only in your mind.

From what I gather this type of move would stop a Josh McDaniels hire. He seems to want his own personnel. Not sure if that's just his GM or what.

He and McCarthy would make an excellent direction to travel.

This seems likely to me. It also seems to have more probability of success.
Obviously just presumption though on my part.

I'm not saying there is a definite lack of talent. Your making stuff up again. I question other sources saying so as they always do with teams every year. Because a news outlet says so, means very little to me. Very little. Just like your opinion on here.

There is talent. Both from the last regime and this recent one.

I question several moves by Dorsey, including trades and FA signings. The added capital that he took advantage of but barely delivered on. The evidence is there, you chose not to accept it.

There's a difference in "a source" and almost every former HC, GM and former player coming to the same conclusion.

You seem to think that you can base a GM on never making a mistake. They all make mistakes.

In case you missed it, your opinions don't mean anything to me either. Finally something we agree on.

Obviously not.

To help you see clearly. Kitchens was fired. He got a pink slip. I think both Haslam and Dorsey agreed on that.

Dorsey wasn't given a pink slip. I think Haslam let Dorsey know that he wasn't going to have final, total say on who the next coach was. Dorsey couldn't live with that, so they came to some sort of mutual agreement on exit terms.

You can look at it as Jimmy fired Dorsey. I look at it as Dorsey quit the team. The reality is it is something in the middle.

This is false. I happily pointed out the mistakes the last regime made, including players like Schwartz, Coleman, etc.

If you are going to engage in a reasonable debate, stop making up BS. We all see it everyday. Do better.

Please lay out "all this talent"...I already mentioned the (4) picks out of the first (36)a bust at 33...one trade...and one long-shot...decisions anyone with any sense could make (without the Landry trade perhaps).

What else you got Pit? Other than clueless talking heads who saw OBJ and a game-11 Hunt as the talent infusion. Lay it out there buddy boy...I'll wait here.

The lack of talent and the removal of talent is painfully obvious...we need (2) OTs, (2) TEs, a RG, a DT, at least one DE, (2) LBs, and at least (1) safety...at a minimum. (7) of those needs listed represent starters.

So...who exactly makes up "all this talent" that Dorsey brought in?

Maybe, maybe not. I am not sure, but I don't think McDaniels has been a serious candidate since Depo has been here. We didn't interview him last year did we?

I hope so. It would make the Dorsey departure much easier to swallow.

Dorsey brought in talent. What people don't want to accept is that a good chunk of it came from the moves of the last regime. You don't have guys like Ward, Chubb, Landry, etc., if not for the moves others made. Funny how the logic of the more draft picks you have the more liklihood you will get good players is lost to some (not you)

A bigger problem is the players Dorsey punted just because they weren't his guys and he tried (and subsequently failed) to take a shot at the last regime.

Again, I don't think he was axed outright. I do think he was going to have some of his iron first power taken from him, but I do think he could have stayed.

Mutually parted ways is what you'll read in most coverage.

Surely Haslams told him they wanted him to just be a scout/talent evaluator and the shift would be towards an analytical FO approach ... BUT, knowing the discord existed, isn’t that even DUMBER by the Haslams to offer? I mean, think about how much WORSE it would have been if JD is still involved

In every job I ever had, job descriptions change. As an employee, you either accept the change, or you quit. Simple as that. Dorsey Quit.

I'm getting that feeling too. As I mentioned in another thread, I feel like both Kitchens and Dorsey had a major Ego trip after 2018 and everything had to be run their way or no way. If that's really the case, then we're probably better off moving another direction.

Still stuck on the 1-31 crowd I see.

Nah, Hue is pretty much irrelevant these days.

He didn't assemble a poorly talented team.

That would be the simpleton response.

Not surprised.