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U can spin it anyway u want ... He was fired ...

KJ is a GM who is a personal guy through and through ...

The thief wants the new HC to pick the GM to ensure they get along ...

Exactly what was KJ’s role gonna be? ... a GM with NO AUTHORITY ... sounds like he would have been a scout with a glorified title ... *L* ...

U can wrap it up and put a cute little bow on it but the results the same .. KJ was told to take a REDUCED ROLE when it comes to acquiring talent because he made one bad HC hire ..... if anyone should give him any slack at missing on a HC it should be your buddy the thief ... u do see the hypocrisy there ... no? ...

U can stick up for the thief all u want .. it don’t change the fact he’s been the worst owner in the history of sports so far and his stupid has no floor when it comes to being an nfl owner ...

Depo don’t wanna slit his own throat or he’d run some analytics on how owners who can’t get out of their own way and what affect that has on their teams ... *LOL* ....

To be fair, we don't know if that's the only reason they asked to take away powers.

We have no idea what John was like in that building. All we know is John brought in some big names.

They didn't like the Freddie hire, we know that.

Maybe they didn't like the Odell trade, maybe they didn't like the contracts he was giving some players like TMitch, maybe they didn't like how he treated the cafeteria worker, we don't know.

We do know, that in his press conference, the thief said its not going to be "my way or the highway" which I took as a shot towards john.

Theres a lot more to this story we will never know about.

I love ya man....maybe a game next year?


We still have what I think a good team. I am not going anywhere unless the Good Lord decides otherwise.

It's a typical situation in corporate America. People make an agreement with you. Break said agreement. Tell the public what they want them to hear. Haslam is a master at PR and marketing.

I'm surprised you would suddenly seem to think that isn't the case now.

Lov u to bro ... i look forward to breaking bread with U at a game or somewhere in Fla down the road ... ...

We still have the personal to have a VERY GOOD TEAM .... it all depends on Bake ... just not sure if I’m sticking around or not ... the thief has taken long term hope and flushed it .... we have a shot due to the talent KJ left us to win in the next few years ..... after that .... pfffft ... the thief just won’t leave well enough alone ...

IF I am around next year unless we give a ton of talent away ill be as optimistic as i was this last off season ... god forbid we add more talent ...

Sounds like he'd also still be employed

Very menZaesque reply ...

There is a certain brilliance in truth

j/c:

Apparently Caserio is under contract until after the draft.

Or his family likes NE or he's set up to step into another position.

I'm waiting for people to start saying it's proof everyone hates McD.

Correct. Also, has a "no-interview" clause in his contract.

DD,

In the last two years we gave away:

Starting CB
Starting DT
Starting TE
Starting RG - got something in return
Backup DE - was a starter...until the line above this one
Backup DE - now a Team Captain
Backup WR - with (6) TDs this year

You can take this misery man...I know it. I'll be here too.

how much of that was Freddie saying that hew wouldn't play them and Dorsey traded the players to get something out of them?

Ummmm ... Willie ... that’s not a mark on KJ’s record its a testament to how he’s built the roster to the point other teams are not only picking up our cast offs but starting them ...

KJ did an OUTSTANDING JOB here ....

When he got here we had 3 pieces on O and 2 on D and the bottom of our roster stunk to high heavens ...

Now we have Bake who we’ll learn a lot about this year ... then we have 6 other pieces on O at least ... and we now have 7 pieces on D not counting Randall and the bottom of our roster is much better .... and despite what all the menZas say were in fine shape with the cap ...

And bro its not about weather i can take it its about do i want too take it ... this dude can’t get out of his own way ... he’s been the worst owner in the history of sports so far and there’s no reason to think that’s gonna change ... he backed into KJ and let him walk ... lets hope KJ left us enough talent to win with cause there is absolutely no reason to believe the thief will all of a sudden become competent ...

Did John Dorsey do so well because he had so many draft picks that it was impossible to screw up or because he was good at talent evaluating? I don’t know. Probably a little of both.

You can either believe what they are telling you or you can prove them wrong.. assuming you have no real evidence to prove them wrong, you are just choosing to not believe them based on your own cynicism....

Ignoring his head coaching hire for a minute, and just focusing on player transactions, the Corbett saga is the one that floats to the top.

Someone mentioned that Corbett is now the starting LG for the Rams. I did a very quick Google search and found the he did start for the Rams week 11 and on. I don't know what their roster/injury situation is, but I believe he started the remainder of the season.

Unless someone who is more informed than me can refute what I'm saying (please do if that's the case), then JD didn't miss on player evaluation regarding Corbett, but between him and Kitchens, we severely mishandled his development while he was here (started prepping him for C duty, then tried him at LT and LG, then RG and subsequently gave up all within one and a half seasons). Perhaps if he'd been prepping for RG duty from the get-go, it would be a different story.

Corbett started due to a decimated Rams OL.

He started 6-7 games. I would think that if he was as bad as we thought he was, they would make additional moves to unseat him from the starting spot.

Rams were making moves to plug holes all over their line due to injuries.

Corbett was bad.

Per PFF, Corbett's grade was 51.0

How bad is that? Chris Hubbard's PFF grade was 50.6

Below 60 is considered 'Poor' by PFF.

I think what it came down to was that Corbett was not a better LG than Bitonio, and Robinson/Bitonio left side was better than the Bitonio/Corbett left side.

Corbett did not work well on the right side.

JMHO

All Browns fans know that this is not a real thing.

That is hilarious! I'm saying the jury is out and we have no idea if they are being honest with the general public or not. And since you are so into proof, suppose you prove they're telling the truth?

Blindly believing anything I get spoon fed isn't a path I'm ready to follow. But there is a lot of that going around these days.

I don't have to prove that.. it's the only information out there, it's true until it isn't.


And what is your recourse if it turns out they were less than truthful with you?

1. You already stated you fully expect corporate America to lie to you.
2. Whether they are lying or telling you the truth, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

So you can wait for the jury to come back and let you know if they were telling you the truth or not.... then what?

So whatever someone says is, "true until it isn't"? That's flawed logic from the get go and why we sometimes end up in the messes we get into. Having unsubstantiated faith in the words of men isn't a wise path to follow.

You seem to be jumping to conclusions as to what I said and what I didn't say. I said I don't blindly believe what corporations, or politicians say for that matter. Both have a pretty strong track record of dishonesty.

That doesn't mean they are always lying or are even lying in this instance. But you don't have an entire staff of PR people if all you're going to do is be open and honest with your customer base.

Gotcha. Appreciate you lending clarity.

I think that McDaniels leaving is telling. I think we are going to wait for the Vikings to exit the playoffs.

The Browns have started reference checks and working on permission on GM candidates, per sources. The plan all along has been to pick the coach, and find a GM to pair him with.

So Cleveland's working on Step 2 of its process.

Btw, this doesn't mean a firm decision has been made ... just that they're winding down -- if they're down to 2 or 3 candidates (i.e. Stefanski, McDaniels, Saleh), that's good enough to get the ball rolling on a few of those guys' preferred GM types.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1215980055207215106

Decent detective work, dawg. Has this worked well elsewhere?

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OK Memp....you are good on the net, cross reference Dobbs to find the coach candidate connection...any of you other young guys.

Think of me as your Grandpa on the computer. He probably gets on, but spurns your attempts to teach him something. He/we already have enough clogging up our heads. You still have space to fill.

Soon enough, you will be like him and I.

From Ian Rapoport's twitter:

"This is interesting. #49ers DC Robert Saleh is said to be interested in Ed Dodds, among other possible GMs, to be paired with."

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1216063361617735680

I would love to Saleh as our HC with Mike McDanials as the OC and Wade Phillips as the DC but more likely Jim Schwartz as DC. Keep Preifer as the ST guy

Our future HC running stairs!

You had me at willynilly.

Sticking with the process. Imagine that.

Thanks Dave.....good find my man.