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how many of us submitted our resumes when dorsey got fired?

easy paycheck. survive for 2 years, get fired, then get paid for the last 2 on the couch.

Hmm

Gotta hire the HC first....

McDaniels .. then his guy maybe lol

Its rumored he'd bring along another NE guy.

The whole GM/coach thing always befuddles me. A coach says “I need a big middle LBer.” And the GM says “Here’s a speedy wide out.”

Obviously, I use hyperbole there. But shouldn’t the GM just get a laundry list of needs/wants from the coaching staff and fill it as best they can?

For the business end of it, I can see them being the boss, but from a roster standpoint, it just seems to be an inefficient model.

j/c:

Lol so Redskins

They don't have a winning coach since our return either. More wins but not a winner of a coach. They're nearly as sad as Cleveland.

j/c...

I think it is harder to find a GOOD Defensive Coordinator !!

We finally had an elite GM. I can see firing the coach due to lack of discipline on the team but firing the GM yet again. I don't even care anymore. It's just the same crap with Haslem. He has no patience to let the team build up a system and keep drafting for it. I"m pretty close to being done with the NFL altogether.

Thing is, how does anyone justify leaving Dorsey with the authority over the coaches after the Freddie debacle? Especially if let's say he lobbied to keep Freddie another year? I'm just not sure how anyone would feel if Dorsey stayed and was the one in charge of finding a new HC.

Any left? BB will be pressed to fill some holes yet again.

Maybe Brady. Problems solved.

I am not sure we can call Dorsey an "elite GM." I mean, I certainly did during the euphoria that followed Baker's rookie season and the OBJ trade. But some of the things he got credit for did not age so well. And he made some draft blunders and even reaches that flopped which we can all name. Those things, coupled with the Freddie hire and the reported inability to work with others or embrace analytics make him something short of elite.

The problem is we didn't fire Dorsey. We were just going to take away some of his power in selecting the head coach. He couldn't agree with that, so the two parties decided to part ways.

Cut from the same ( old ) cloth ~

The problem is we actually have no idea what went on behind closed doors. All we really know is the PR statement we were given when the dust settled.

j/c

The idea of Robert Saleh as HC is growing on me, with Berry as GM. Results might not be immediate, but I'm beginning to believe that would be a good long term combination.

Here's the most logical way for me to think about the current process.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

We have watched this process over and over since Haslam bought this team. Over and over again fans have gotten excited, gotten their hopes up and been disappointed every time.

I am one who has learned from the past not to get my hopes and expectations set very high. Results will be my guide.

You make a great point about coordinators being the hot prospect each year. I was thinking last night about some of the big names from the past that didn't pan out as head coaches or that didn't even get an opportunity. Off the top of my head I came up with:

Marty Mornhinweg
Norv Turner
Hue Jackson
Lindy Infante
Wade Phillips
Chan Gailey
Rob Chudzinski
Todd Haley

Lindy Infante .. Would love his play-book with a few more pass routes added !

Well he is 75 years old. Young enough to be president but I don't know about the NFL.

But I'll bet he can devise a scheme to properly over-throw the Ayatollah.

As long as he has prepared a "winning WW 3 strategy" ahead of time.

That's ok .. I can still remember Good Football in Cleveland ! Mack/Byner and the rest of the crew .. Guess that's part of what bothers me so .. Many , many a poster on here have never witnessed that ..

I believe the statement. If you choose to conjure up other possibilities, that's on you.

I believe the statement and Dorsey could be here had he agreed to a little less power over football decisions.

He would no longer the King. He would have still had a strong voice, maybe still the strongest. Just not the only voice.

He didn't want other voices because, lets face it, the guy sounded like a doofus.

What I do know is that often times corporations feed the press what they want them to hear. They disseminate a message via the press they feel is the most palatable for their customer base. In case you missed it, I didn't conjure up other possibilities although many others certainly do exist.

I've never been one who buys the company line at face value because I'm not one to sit and be spoon fed the meal others wish to feed me at face value. That tactic has served me well over the course of my life.

The timeline of events that led up to Dorsey leaving is very very believable. I also wouldn't be surprised if Haslam et al knew what Dorsey's response would be when presented with a lesser role, and went ahead with the plan anyway.

All believable.

It seems like Haslam said, "We want to keep you for player evaluation purposes, but you have to cede almost all of your power in the organization", and Dorsey said, "Nope, not what my contract says".

With as many coaches as Haslam pays at the same time, we know how well he has managed to keep his end of contracts.

He has. I don't think he has been sued for breach of contract.

In fairness to you, it was a split Jimmy figured would happen as one other poster pointed out...oober I think.

Jimmy can structure things any way he sees fit. John would have still been the GM, but some of his purview was going to change. It is obvious he wasn't going to lead the coaching search and probably wasn't going to be the new coaches direct supervisor. After that, probably not much different.

This way they agree to make a split. Jimmy didn't fire the guy, requiring him to pay the contract in full, and John didn't quite, thus terminating the contract.

The sides got together and worked out a contract settlement.

It's obvious they came to a settlement. Everything else is conjecture.

Ok....you agree. Earlier you were talking about not buying the company line when I posed that Dorsey wasn't fired.

A settlement wouldn't have happened if he had.

Then I stood up for you because even though Dorsey wasn't fired, his arm was twisted to the point of...ok, lets talk..



At least for me, I wasn't in on the discussions, so I might be way off base. I don't think so, but I could be.