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Has Greg Roman ever been successful without an elite athlete at QB? How would Baker enjoy that?

I don't want an coordinator with no head coach experience. We have been doing that for decades with no success. Bring in a proven head coach, one who knows how to structure a camp and hire assistants. Time for a proven commodity not a first time guy. The talent is here, bring in someone who knows what to do with it.

Read option with Baker, duh.

Taking him away from Jackson could help us. Just not a fan of him. Not for the HC, the whole enchilada.

j/c...

McDaniels will drag along Belichick as DC.
Bill would have fun. No pressure on him in comparison. They're also good friends.

Face it, NE is in rapid decline and Bill cant sit still and ain't exactly cut out for TV. Hey, go big!

Wouldn't that be a nice twist!

This is probably worth posting again:

Trying in any way to suggest that Baker has the same skill set as Jackson or Kap in an option offense holds no water.

What was Lamar Jackson's 40 time at the combine? Baker's was better.

I have this framed at my house.

Trick question! After seeing Baker's time at the combine, Lamar was too afraid to run against him and declined to run the 40 yard dash. Crazy scene at the combine.

If I am a coach candidate interviewing here, I want a contract that states that Haslem will stay out of the way, and that I cannot be fired for a minimum of 3 years. (except for gross misconduct)

Trying to pretend running in a straight line with shorts on means anything in the NFL is a foolish endeavour. Are you trying to suggest that Baker has the same scrambling ability of Jackson or Kap? Seriously?

Dude, don't even go there. Everyone knows better.

i think 15 was being sarcastic?

"Thanks for your time, YTown, we'll call if we're interested. At this time, we still have other candidates we are meeting with. Oh, and see Michelle on your way out, she'll validate your parking."

He just hasn't had the chance to show it off. Bad coaching.

I certainly hope so. But some of the things we see posted on here it's sometimes hard to tell the difference.

All the way serious. Obviously.

Yep, and I would be well ahead, except for the salary.

Since a coaching contract is fully guaranteed, I'll take the job, 4 year deal, and you can fire me next week.

And at 0-0 you'll only be 3 games worse than Huey!

For most coaches, being a head coach is the ultimate goal.

Look, he has hired and fired 5 or 6 head coaches. Were some incompetent on their own? Perhaps. Were some assisted in incompetence by Haslem's interference? Almost certainly. Where are those coaches today? Most had their careers destroyed in Cleveland by an owner who changes direction at every whim.

If I am a coach, I want serious guarantees before I accept any job from Haslem.

j/c:

Im guessing McDaniels and Meyer are the splash hires Jimmuh is excited about. The rest, including McCarthy are coaches identified by everyone else.

I was intrigued to hear Browns' employee Chris Cooper is involved with the search committee.He's been around the organization for a long time (not on the football side) and glad to know they aren't only soliciting the opinion of football people, but rather smart individuals.

The cocoon may be breaking up!

But the Homeless Guy!?! We gotta get that guy.

There in lies the Problem " Haslam " .. If you take the job the way Jimmy is offering it you ; You ( The Browns ) loose before day one .. Haslam just can't see the forest for the tree's " He's the Tree's " .. None can succeed her playing by Jimmy's rules.

He'll be next since we're spreading a wide net from people that don't know football.

Browns interview lineup: Greg Roman Thursday night; Brian Daboll Sunday in Buffalo; Robert Saleh this weekend; Josh McDaniels likely Jan. 10
Updated 5:10 PM;Today 12:59 PM

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio — It’s like speed dating for the Browns right now.

They kicked off their coaching search Thursday with a day-long interview with former Packers coach Mike McCarthy at team headquarters in Berea.

They’re then traveling to Baltimore tonight to interview Ravens offensive coordinaor Greg Roman, who’s on a playoff bye this weekend, and they’ll head out West this weekend to talk to 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh.

Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniel’s interview will likely be on Jan. 10, and Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll’s will take place on Sunday in Buffalo, league sources have told cleveland.com.

"We’re really excited about the group of candidates that we’ll be interviewing over the next several days,'' Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said during his season-ending press conference Thurday. "Despite all of the changes we have made, it’s a very attractive job. Everybody in the NFL knows how important football is in this area.

"Everybody understands we have a really good young quarterback and a really good core group of players so we are excited about the opportunity to work with these candidates over the next week or two or however long it takes.”

Daboll, 44, served as Browns offensive coordinator in 2009-10 under Eric Mangini. He’s won a national championship at Alabama under Nick Saban and five Super Bowl rings with the Patriots under Bill Belichick.

This season, he helped guide the Bills to a 10-6 record and a wild-card playoff berth against the Texans on Saturday at 4:35 p.m. He oversaw the development of Bills quarterback Josh Allen, the No. 7 pick in 2018, who finished No. 22 in the NFL with a 85.6 QB rating.

The Bills will face the Texans Saturday in the wild-card round.

McDaniels, 43, a six-time Super Bowl winner, has also drawn interest from the Giants and Panthers. The Patriots will face the Titans in the wild-card round Saturday night.

Roman, a graduate of Cleveland’s John Carroll University, helped quarterback Lamar Jackson develop into an NFL MVP candidate this season with 36 touchdown passes against only six interceptions. He also finished sixth in the NFL with 1,206 yards rushing and seven TDs.

They’ve also requested permission to interview Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski, a finalist for the job last year, and Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy.


https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01...ources-say.html

That's one way to look at it - and it might be the right way.

Another way might be to say that we hired the wrong people, and they weren't up to the job and got fired. Chud went back to being an OC - Petine is back as a DC - their careers are not ruined. Hue, well, Hue is a bit special since he had such a terrible record and then went on his media blitz when fired and blamed every soul in the universe but himself ... and he went to Cinci where he was loved but that didn't last. And Freddie went from RB coach to HC in a season. Hard to claim his coaching career is ruined. All were handsomely paid for their efforts and failure.

And while some want to say Jimmy doesn't care about the record as he's making pots of money ... why then is he paying all these guys tens of millions to NOT coach? To me he looks like a guy possibly a little too desperate to get it right. I blame him for the cancerous situation that developed with Farmer?Petine ... but I don't blame him for firing Chud, or Hue and with Dorsey he did what fans wanted him to: got a football guy, let him appoint his own coach ... and we got Freddie.

At this point it really doesn't matter what he does, I think some folks are so frustrated they'll just hate on him regardless. Add his Flying J issues and it's an easy thing to understand.

When Kyle Shanahan got hired to be the head coach of the 49ers he signed a unique contract. First it was a six year contract (which is unheard of unless you are Jon Gruden). And second he has no offset language (which means if he is fired and then hired by a different team the 49ers still have to pay his contract in full). I would be making similar demands if I was going to be hired by the Browns.

Smart.

I still think how the Chud firing went down was sad. He and that staff (Norv Turner and others) deserved better.

Hue is the only coach who has gotten a third season under the Haslams' ownership. Why it was Hue that got that third season is a mystery.

Freddie.. meh. I normally do not agree with firing a coach after one season because it takes time to install a scheme, build a winning culture etc. However, in this case, I actually agree with the firing because of all the mistakes/lack of discipline along the way, and just generally underperforming with a talented roster.

The part that's bothersome is not just the wasted season, it's the wasted year of development too. We should be going into next season in year 2 (really, year 3.. see above) with the same coach/systems but instead we are starting over again. And there's no guarantee we get this one right either.

And the veteran posters tell us purple font isn’t needed... lol

Sorry, I'm responding to a post from page 1 of this thread and haven't read those between yet.

I absolutely agree that McDaniels, having learned from his failure in Denver, having spent the better part of 2 decades working with and for the GOAT, and is probably the one person in all of football who has spent more time talking with Bill about everything football, or life and philosophy, has the potential to become as good as Bill some day.

Here's the huge red flag. After his disastrous stint in Denver he was welcomed back to the Pats with open arms. Last year he left the Colts standing at the alter when the Pats bettered their offer at the last minute. That was a dishonorable move in my mind. Now he's poised to take the job in Cleveland if they offer.

Convince me, after what he did in Indy, that he won't come to Cleveland for 2 years, get the kinks worked out in his system, then run right back to NE when Bill retires to take over as the heir to Bill's throne.

I believe it possible that Kraft/Bill/Josh have it all worked out to use the hapless Browns as a minor league team for Josh to hone his skills before taking over the big league club as the next lifetime HC of the Pats.

For me, until Mcdaniels proves he can be successful without the GOAT at QB..i pass.

Again, I haven't read the last 4 pages, but want to put this thought out there too.

DePodesta is running this search. In the last 2 searches he wanted McDormett when we hired Hue, and Stefanski when we hired Freddie. He hired Andrew Berry in 2016 (2 of the 3 Harvard guys.) I think his preferences going in are Stefanski as HC and Berry as GM. (Although I have heard he likes McDaniels too.)

The Patriots offense ranked 8th in points scored with Cassel at QB and McDaniels as OC. The team finished 11-5 that year but unfortunately missed the playoffs.

It was following this particular season that McDaniels landed a HC gig and Cassel was traded to a team in need of a starting QB.

And his offense in St. louis and denver? In st. louis...Dead last...scored a whopping 193 points..in denver 19/20th.. so yeah until he does something away from NE..he's a huge gamble

With Jeff "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Fisher as his coach and brittle Sam as his QB, no chance he was going to have a good offense in STL.

Jeff Fisher wasn't the coach.. Steve Spagnuolo was. He also had stephen jackson. Sam played 10 games...not saying it was all his fault, but being an offensive guru you find a way to score more than 193 points.