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It is obvious that is what he did at Notre Dame and in preseason he made alot of players who are not even on this team now look pretty good. After last nights Titan/Saints game I heard this said about Vince Young and it got me thinking. Also after the Cowboy/Bears game Maden was talking about Tony Romo having the "it" factor. Now no one can seem to explain the "it" thing but there are certain players in the NFL that have it. I totally believe Quinn has it. You can see how the electricity and excitement level is picked up when the kid steps on the field. I can see it in the players around him and in the fans in the stadium. I can even feel it from 1500 miles away so I know most of you have noticed it. I honestly believe that when he takes over the stating job we will see a team that performs better than they have so far this year. And yes I even mean the Defense also. I also believe he is at least 2 scores a game better than Anderson. The defense will be better off because they will not be in as many crappy field positions after dumb turn overs. That in its self will save us at least one opponent score a game and he will not miss wide open receivers in the end zone like Anderson does. We need Brady to start sooner rather than later for the good of the entire Browns nation!  That's my story and I'm sticking to it! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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week 6 you may get your wish.
2 scores a game, you should reserve your playoff tickets now.
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Until he throws an INT, then its boo city.
I really don't believe that will happen, the boo part I mean. Most people who watch football has the knowledge that INTS are going to happen but they draw the line when a QB has more of them than they do touchdown passes.
The kid is young and he will make mistakes but I think you'll find out there will be less of them than what we have seen lately! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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It is obvious that is what he did at Notre Dame and in preseason he made alot of players who are not even on this team now look pretty good.
After last nights Titan/Saints game I heard this said about Vince Young and it got me thinking. Also after the Cowboy/Bears game Maden was talking about Tony Romo having the "it" factor. Now no one can seem to explain the "it" thing but there are certain players in the NFL that have it. I totally believe Quinn has it.
You can see how the electricity and excitement level is picked up when the kid steps on the field. I can see it in the players around him and in the fans in the stadium. I can even feel it from 1500 miles away so I know most of you have noticed it.
I honestly believe that when he takes over the stating job we will see a team that performs better than they have so far this year. And yes I even mean the Defense also.
I also believe he is at least 2 scores a game better than Anderson. The defense will be better off because they will not be in as many crappy field positions after dumb turn overs. That in its self will save us at least one opponent score a game and he will not miss wide open receivers in the end zone like Anderson does.
We need Brady to start sooner rather than later for the good of the entire Browns nation!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
I don't think you're as crazy as some people think you sound.
I felt the same vibe in the stadium when he made his debut. I see the look he gives the guys in the huddle too.
I'm not an advocate of him starting until after the New England game...but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a few series before finally taking over.
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I think thats a gross oversight.
I'm thinkin, how long did it take us to Boo Tim Couch? And that was a guy who vastly under-achieved.
I mean, if Brady throws a pick, I forsee most of us saying something like, ahhhh, oh well, next one will be better. I mean, Browns Nation appears to have a lot of faith in this kid, and I think we'll be ok with Brady. Have some faith, I think we will too
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Thanks, I think.  
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Thanks, I think.
It's a definite compliment...I know some people are gonna be detractors to this statement. I believe you're mostly right, although we'll see rookie struggles.
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Only thing is that I get this vibe where people are going to expect playoffs right off when he steps in or next year and when these fans don't get their wish they're going to get mighty loud, often louder than most fans. I can see it after next year... there will be people calling for all types of heads if the record doesn't represent a 10-6 season.
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I totally believe Quinn has it.
Based on what? The 471 yards he put up against Navy or the job he did on the future Cutco knife salesmen of Detroit? Or is it a "gut" feeling? 
At this point, I'm ready for him after New England. I don't know that he'll play head and shoulders above Anderson, but I can't see him doing much worse. As long as he isn't conditioned early on to develop the traits of the common Browns QB ("locks onto one reciever" should have been on all scouting reports of our QB's since '99), he should be OK, and conditions are looking good for that...DA's mistakes are being made by DA, which isn't the best thing in the world, but it's a lot better than wondering if it's the fault of a stagnant run game or a poor line.
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Until he throws an INT, then its boo city.
I really don't believe that will happen, the boo part I mean. Most people who watch football has the knowledge that INTS are going to happen but they draw the line when a QB has more of them than they do touchdown passes.
The kid is young and he will make mistakes but I think you'll find out there will be less of them than what we have seen lately!
Quinn's the flavor of the month right now. He's Superman, Dan Marino, and Mickey Mantle all rolled into one, just like Charlie Frye was 2 years ago. Remember pre-season 2005, when the hometown boy looked like the second coming of Otto Graham, and made a team of grocery baggers look great? The realities of the regular season and mere mortal play brought the boo birds out and ran the kid out of town.
The problem with this team is not the offense. Fix the D, and the wins will come....
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I hear ya about Quinn elevating the team and you are probably right about that. He did seem to do that in Preseason.
I still don't want to rush him. I'm thinking that he's gonna be the starter as of the first game after the Bye....
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I'm thinking that he's gonna be the starter as of the first game after the Bye....
I read most people saying that he'll likely start after the bye. The logic sounds good (giving him an extra week to prepare). I'd rather see him start the week before the bye. This gives him a full game of film of himself to study and learn from heading into the two weeks or preparation for the next game. I think it could also help him mentally relax, knowing he's had his "baptism" and can move on. If it goes well against Miami, that's even better for his psyche. JMHO
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I honestly think that Quinn can do exactly what Anderson does, but better...
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I honestly think that Quinn can do exactly what Anderson does, but better...
When Anderson is on, he's really on and that's hard to be better than. But the thing with Anderson is consistency.. You never know which Anderson is going to show up from Play to play, let alone game to game,,
What I'd like to see and hope to see from Quinn is the ability to grow into a very exciting, but Consistent QB..
Honestly, I'm gonna get critisied for saying this maybe, but I am really beginning to think we are simply a consistent QB away from having a very very exciting and productive Offense..
Can't say that about the D yet!
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When Anderson is on, he's really on and that's hard to be better than.
I agree... He has yet to pull a Frye and throw away the game... He has so far given the Browns every opportunity to win when needed in the 4th quarter alone... Pitt game is the exception of the 3 games... but other than that, the Browns needed to get into field goal position on sunday and he got them there by making some GREAT throws...
He needs to start making those great throws in the FIRST drive though...
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Quinn's the flavor of the month right now. He's Superman, Dan Marino, and Mickey Mantle all rolled into one, just like Charlie Frye was 2 years ago. Remember pre-season 2005, when the hometown boy looked like the second coming of Otto Graham, and made a team of grocery baggers look great?
I can only speak for myself... but I never once felt as confidant about Charlie Frye as I feel about Brady Quinn... not once, not ever...
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Quinn's the flavor of the month right now. He's Superman, Dan Marino, and Mickey Mantle all rolled into one, just like Charlie Frye was 2 years ago. Remember pre-season 2005, when the hometown boy looked like the second coming of Otto Graham, and made a team of grocery baggers look great?
I can only speak for myself... but I never once felt as confidant about Charlie Frye as I feel about Brady Quinn... not once, not ever...
lol.. I wanted to be confident, and said I was confident, but I really wasn't.. Quinn on the other hand, i think he can be our consistent starting QB that this franchise have been thirsting for..
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It is obvious that is what he did at Notre Dame and in preseason he made alot of players who are not even on this team now look pretty good.
After last nights Titan/Saints game I heard this said about Vince Young and it got me thinking. Also after the Cowboy/Bears game Maden was talking about Tony Romo having the "it" factor. Now no one can seem to explain the "it" thing but there are certain players in the NFL that have it. I totally believe Quinn has it.
You can see how the electricity and excitement level is picked up when the kid steps on the field. I can see it in the players around him and in the fans in the stadium. I can even feel it from 1500 miles away so I know most of you have noticed it.
I honestly believe that when he takes over the stating job we will see a team that performs better than they have so far this year. And yes I even mean the Defense also.
I also believe he is at least 2 scores a game better than Anderson. The defense will be better off because they will not be in as many crappy field positions after dumb turn overs. That in its self will save us at least one opponent score a game and he will not miss wide open receivers in the end zone like Anderson does.
We need Brady to start sooner rather than later for the good of the entire Browns nation!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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I'm not an advocate of him starting until after the New England game...but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a few series before finally taking over.
Maybe we can schedule Akron and have Brady start then,this is the NFL he can play against anyone.
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lol.. I wanted to be confident, and said I was confident, but I really wasn't.. Quinn on the other hand, i think he can be our consistent starting QB that this franchise have been thirsting for..
So NOW the truth comes out about your confidence in Chaz Frye
Just pullin' your chain.
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I agree... He has yet to pull a Frye and throw away the game... He has so far given the Browns every opportunity to win when needed in the 4th quarter alone... Pitt game is the exception of the 3 games... but other than that, the Browns needed to get into field goal position on sunday and he got them there by making some GREAT throws...
He needs to start making those great throws in the FIRST drive though...
Remember on the last drive he was playing against the PREVENT DEFENSE
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I'm ready for him against New England.
Brady, meet Brady.. .and may the Best Brady win.
We'll have a Bunch of Brady's, but we'll have the Best Brady of the Bunch.
Browns is the Browns
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We'll have a Bunch of Brady's, but we'll have the Best Brady of the Bunch.
You really are an Odd fellow aren't you? 
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Brady Quinn could be our Vince Young.
Ever since Young took over down here, the Titans can play with anyone when before they looked as bad as the Browns..
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I started off not being a Quinn fan, but I agree with what you are saying. I would like to see him sooner than later as well. I don't see anyone booing him for at least a year or more depending on how he does.
the locking on one reciever while to a point being a product of a bad O line is also a personal problem for a lot of QBs. Given how bad ND is now that Quinn is gone, and how bad they (Oline, RBs, WR) are..........well I think he can really do some things here with the talent we now have on the offense.
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Brady Quinn could be our Vince Young.
Ever since Young took over down here, the Titans can play with anyone when before they looked as bad as the Browns..
Kind of makes you wonder how bad this team is.
It also lends validity to the 'qb is the most important position on the field' statement.
Two years ago, I'd say the Titans, Packers, and Texans were all worse than us. Now they all have good qbs (well in the Packers case, Favre seems interested again), and the teams are playing well.
If you were to compare all those teams on paper to us, would they really look that much better other than the qb spot?
I'm not sure they would.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I am just saying he could.
I have no idea if it would actually work out that way.
We won't know until we see what happens.
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Quinn's the flavor of the month right now. He's Superman, Dan Marino, and Mickey Mantle all rolled into one, just like Charlie Frye was 2 years ago.
Quinn is a totally different entity than Frye. And not everyone thought he was a legit starter in the NFL. I for one was not sold on him the day he was drafted and anyone who has been on these boards for awhile will know this.
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I think you hit the nail on the head when you said hometown boy. That was why all the uproar about him started because it sure was not about his resume or abilities. Had another NFL team drafted him the uproar for him would not have been the same. It was as I like to call a homer thing, DUH! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I am just saying he could.
I have no idea if it would actually work out that way.
We won't know until we see what happens.
I heard you Peen.. you said Quinn is the next Steve Young.
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I am just saying he could.
I have no idea if it would actually work out that way.
We won't know until we see what happens.
I heard you Peen.. you said Quinn is the next Steve Young.
Hehe...I am sure what you heard is what several others heard as well.
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Your revisionist history of what Frye brought is laughable. His resume was impressive, as was his abilities. That's why he was projected to go late first round to early second round. He clearly had the best performance in the Senior Bowl and was looked at as a good prospect. Your hatred for him because he wasn't named Couch was more an impetus for hoping for failure than homerism was for reasons of optimisim.
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Quinn's the flavor of the month right now. He's Superman, Dan Marino, and Mickey Mantle all rolled into one, just like Charlie Frye was 2 years ago.
Quinn is a totally different entity than Frye. And not everyone thought he was a legit starter in the NFL.
And not everyone is sold on Quinn. Just because you are sold doesn't make everyone sold. But then again you do live in your own little world.
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People the Browns do not have the talent that Tennessee has or New Orleans has. Y'all really need to stop pretending the Browns are in the same boat. Those teams were just missing a piece or 2. The Browns are missing the majority of the puzzle.
I told you guys before this year that the Browns were a 5 or 6 win team. I told you guys that Savage did a horrible job for the 3rd straight year bringing in talented D-lineman.
Keep sippin the Savage and RAC Kool-Aid. Butch isn't the one that got rid of our entire D-line.
Tennessee Titans
1999 - 13-3
2000 - 13-3
2001 - 7-9
2002 - 11-5
2003 - 12-4
2004 - 5-11 - 1st year without Eddie George.
2005 - 4-12
2006 - 8-8
New Orleans
1999 - 3-13
2000 - 10-6
2001 - 7-9
2002 - 9-7
2003 - 8-8
2004 - 8-8
2005 - 3-13 - Katrina year, no true home games
2006 - 10-6
Cleveland Browns
1999 - 2-14
2000 - 3-13
2001 - 7-9
2002 - 9-7
2003 - 5-11
2004 - 4-12
2005 - 6-10
2006 - 4-12
The Browns are not even in the class of the Saints or Titans right now. The Browns are in the class of the Lions.
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I try to stay out of QB squabbles, becuase they are useless and more opinionated than fact based. Oh and I know you are going to drop 40 stats as "facts", but so do the oil companies to manipulate their agenda that prices are as low as ever.....but we all see the prices at pump if you get the drift...lol.
Fry proved he didn't have the mental makeup to handle the pressure of the competition......now that's my opinion anyway. The only other option is that he was just completely useless, and the few good games he had last year where an abberation. I choose to believe he had some ability (will make a fine backup in this league), but couldn't handle the pressure. Either way though, it was obvious that he wasn't an option here, becuase he was never going to be able to handle it. DA for all his faults has proven that he can come in and be productive at times. Granted he's no saviour either, but he can be a solid backup QB here.
The only question is whether Quinn is a legite starter in this league or is just another mediocre backup on this team. You guys are arguing over answered questions already............we know what we had/have in Fry/DA, but Brady is the only unknown.
Why you guys cry over Fry who played his self out of Cleveland is beyond me.........he proved he couldn't cut it (insert your own reasoning here) on this team.
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Frye proved he didn't have the mental makeup to handle the pressure of the competition......
Yet, he beat out DA for the starter job. Funny how he had the mental makeup and then didn't.
Hmm, maybe it had more to due with what RAC told CF before the Pitt game. "Turn the ball over and you'll be standing next to me the rest of the game". Anybody think that might have had something to do with why CF kept holding onto the ball and had his worst game of his career.
Great coaching RAC.
Let's face it. Savage and RAC are both in over their heads.
If Quinn plays for these two bozo's they could ruin him. Let Quinn play when we get a Real GM and a Real HC in 2008.
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His resume was impressive, as was his abilities. That's why he was projected to go late first round to early second round.
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You are smart enough to know that some of the best talent dose'nt even show up to play in the Senior Bowl. It only helps players that need to show something to get a better draft statis.
You are clearly an antagonist that would degrade me even if I posted that the sun would come up in the morning. That truly is laughable! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Hmm, maybe it had more to due with what RAC told CF before the Pitt game Turn the ball over and you'll be standing next to me the rest of the game". Anybody think that might have had something to do with why CF kept holding onto the ball and had his worst game of his career.
Before you spit that lie out U gotta link to prove Rac said that to him?
Frye has never looked good against Pittsburgh, so go spew that out to some 2 year old.
He held on to the ball cuze he was unable to do anything ..he was overwhelmed and he floundered..
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