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I love Zen philosophy. Yin/Yang. Opposites in balance.
Lots of Zen elements fit what I do for my job.

When I see a student trying too hard and getting results that are the opposite of their intent, I use my 'Master Po' persona and say:

"In order to gain control, you must relinquish it."
"In order to learn to play fast, you must first learn to practice slowly."
"Do not aim for your target. Find the target with your mind, and draw your hand to that spot."

These work very well because they shift the student's mind set, opening a more creative way to problem-solve.

Yep
Zen... cool af.

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For times such as these described in the op, the Chinese have a zen blessing/curse:

"May you live in interesting times."

The 21st c.
Never a dull moment.

"Trump says Soleimani was plotting attacks on Americans"

This could be true or not. The problem is no one on the world stage will believe anything Trump says. Thats the problem having a liar for a leader.

Then you'll be comforted to hear that they will have to present evidence they acted appropriately, since he didn't get approval from Congress.

I'll believe that when I see it. Hope it's not in sharpie.

The man was a terrorist .... sheesh ...

The worlds a safer and better place today with him not in it ...

Everything Trump touches turns to gold.

Glad this POS is dead.

Yup. Personally I am all for this. Iran and anyone affiliated with them had it coming. In my opinion we should have wiped them out in the 70s.

US says it's ready for conflict with North Korea if necessary

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-defense-secretary-fight-north-korea-if-we-need-to-103412846.html

two war fronts it is, boys!!

That all depends on what transpires now. If it helps cause another war in the middle east, none of our troops are safer. As far as getting rid of another terrorist goes, if you isolate that in its own bubble there's no doubt about the fact that you are correct. But to see if it actually made anyone any safer we'll have to wait and weigh the collateral damage that goes along with it.

Just like with anything else. I certainly feel like the war in Afghanistan and going after Bin Laden was needed and helped make us safer. I don't feel safe in saying the same thing about the war in Iraq.

I'll have to see how this entire thing unfolds big picture as to whether I feel it was worth it or not.

One thing you may wish to consider. We killed him in Iraq. He was there with permission of the Iraqi government. For Iraq to support us in killing him, it would cause major social unrest in their country. If we reach the point where Iraq tells us to leave their country, at that point we will be seen as occupiers. That would shift things in an entirely different direction.

For terminating Soleimani and preventing a war, Trump should be praised worldwide. Unfortunately the socialists in this country side with a terrorist with blood of Americans on his hands. Not quite sure I understand.

Trump did not put lives of Americans in danger by ordering this revenge hit.

Americans lives are in danger everyday around the world because of killers like Soleimani who have unabashed hate for us. They do not need any event to trigger their hate to try to attempt to harm us (abroad or at home). We should be ridding the world of this kind of trash on a much more frequent basis.

the fact that you're speaking as if you expect no retaliation is rather sad. it might not happen, but its highly probable it will, and to what extent? we have no clue.

and Trump should get praised for what, exactly? because if this ends up in a large scale conflict, will you continue praising him?

the vast majority of the country......the WORLD is tired of being at war all the damn time, especially as it pertains to whatever the US is doing.

people can say what they want about circumstances. but at the end of the day, when it comes to war, there seems a common denominator: USA.

we still havent finished in afghanistan, didnt win crap in iraq, and still dealing with turkey, syria, and the kurds.

a lot of people having plenty of reason to think this will lead to nothing but another 20 years in a part of the world where they dont want americans there.

They can retaliate, but it would be to their detriment. They know that.

Trump should be praised for killing a guy with American blood on his hands. I thought you of all people could understand that.

You may wish to wait until we see if he started a war or prevented one before making statements you can't back up.

They have reached the point where the only thing they know is hate Trump.

They hate him and cry when he doesn't listen to our National Intelligence and they hate him and cry when he does.

They hate him when he doesn't act on terrorists and they hate him when he acts.

They are blinded by the stuff.

He did not start anything. He was preventing a war (a planned attack was imminent- per the news).

Even if that is not correct, this terrorist killed Americans, so killing him does not define "starting a war".

Killing him isn't where the issue ends though. If that's the end of it, then I certainly support it.

My issue is those speaking as if it's open and shut as to what the long term outcome of these actions will be. If it ends up in another long term war with hundreds if not thousands of our troops being killed that may be a different story all together.

The fact most of us are simply willing to wait and see what the long term impact of this has only proves how much BS you just posted.

how? we dont even know what teammates they plan on bringing to the game.

we dont even know if WE will have any teammates. the Europeans are already distancing themselves from the US over the attack. its a good chance we will fly solo on this front.

i already stated they cant win head 2 head. but this is the 21st century. NOBODY DOES THAT ANYMORE. nobody is lining up going "ready, aim, fire", or storming the beaches of normandy.

i understand how actual combat happens in todays battlefields. its less about large scale conflicts and more guerrilla tactics and operations to spread propaganda. large scale conflicts happen in a vacuum. even george bush understood that todays conflicts are about hearts and minds.

if we get into another conflict in the middle east, WE look like the aggressors, not the other way around, and regardless of who started it.

you telling me right now you're not smarter than Bush? even 40 is smarter than Bush.

some of yall need a massive software update on how modern "Wars" are waged.

and look at the escalation of force from a big picture perspective.

no injuries or deaths, and we respond with killing their top military general.

not a iranian naval boat, or convoy, or something thats a retaliatory measure. we said "f it" and went straight for the general.

if you know for a FACT that the US would go to war if a foreign country killed one of our generals, how can yall sit there and act like the long term ramifications to the situation in reverse wont lead to massive problems?

by the way, its funny how we all love to pick and choose when the intelligence community has good intel and when it doesnt.

Trump couldnt STOP trashing the intelligence communities when it came to Putin and Russia. but now all of a sudden, they're all good.

yea, ok.

They won't retaliate the way you think-they can't. It won't be our armies against theirs

Going out tomorrow to see how many MAGA hats are in line at the US Armed Forces Recruiting Station...

Last thing the terrorist General saw...

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.c...g?ve=1&tl=1

Remember, this started with (1) American contractor being killed and they a retaliatory strike by us and then they decided to storm our embassy (which supposedly Soleimani had a hand in) and we strike back-killing him.

The president says the intel said that they were working on more attacks-but it is just so damn hard to believe anything he says and ok now we have good intel.

The next part of whether this started or ended a war is not even close to being decided. As with most talking heads, that is up to how many punches and counter punches we decide to throw with Iran and who else gets dragged into this-When does the president or the Iranians decide its over. They fight decade long wars, remember that.



And how does Iran strike back-
Does Iran have one of their groups drone another Saudi oil field? Does Hezbollah strike at Israel. Do they block the Strait of Hormuz-blocking oil shipments.
Or do they have sympathizers that lone wolf somewhere in Europe or America-
Or cyber attack a grid or nuclear power station-which are not foolproof to hacking

OK DAMMIT! That was funny.

Bro retribution could come anywhere anytime. Biggest terrorist network on earth. I wouldn't expect just one thing either, this is fuel for the next decade for them.

jc:

2. As Iran's undisputed military commander, Soleimani built a Shia foreign legion that played an indelible role in the region’s bloodiest conflicts, including Syria, Iraq, and Yemen. Though he was never going to die a natural death, his personality cult left no clear successors

Some of the headlines out there make it sound like we took this guy out IN Iran. Just to be clear, that is not the case. He was operating in Iraq and was killed in Baghdad. He was warned in December to get out of Iraq and chose to stay. I have been a fan of drawing down our presence in he Middle East, but it pretty clear that this guy had to go given the circumstances and lives at stake.

And if it would've happened under a democrat president we'd be hearing nothing but accolades.

Trump in Miami Speech Tells Evangelical Base: God Is ‘on Our Side’



MIAMI — In his first public appearance since the strike that killed Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani of Iran, President Trump rallied his evangelical Christian base of supporters on Friday, portraying himself as the restorer of faith in the public square and claiming that God is “on our side.”

Mr. Trump brought to the stage Cissie Graham Lynch, a granddaughter of Billy Graham, the founder of Christianity Today, to offer an implicit rebuke of the magazine’s recent editorial calling for his removal from the White House .

Ms. Lynch’s appearance underscored how sensitive Mr. Trump was about any signs of fracturing in his base; many evangelical allies denounced the editorial , and Ms. Graham Lynch vowed on Friday to help Mr. Trump win re-election. She then welcomed a supporter to the stage who told attendees that they could not trust what the news media wrote about the president.

Mentioning the attack in Baghdad only briefly, the president spent his hourlong speech at Ministerio Internacional El Rey Jesús, a church with a predominantly Hispanic congregation, alternating between his familiar mocking jabs at Democrats, who he repeatedly called anti-religious, and boasting about his own faith-based policies. Saying he would renew the importance of religion and family, Mr. Trump vowed that he would toughen restrictions on abortion and would take action to “safeguard students and teachers’ First Amendment rights to pray in our schools.”

In remarks highlighting his support for Israel, Mr. Trump also attacked Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan.

“Where do these people come from?” Mr. Trump said. “These people hate Israel. They hate Jewish people.”

Mr. Trump’s comments were repeatedly met with enthusiastic cheers and chants of “four more years” from the crowded and sprawling church.

“Evangelical Christians of every denomination and believers of every faith have never had a greater champion, not even close, in the White House, than you have right now,” Mr. Trump said. “We’ve done things that nobody thought was possible. Together we’re not only defending our constitutional rights. We’re also defending religion itself, which is under siege.”

Mr. Trump began his remarks by mentioning the killing of General Suleimani and praising the military, on a day when many Democratic officials and presidential candidates have questioned the president’s decision to order the strike and whether he has a broader strategy to deal with potential reprisals from Iran.

“He was planning a very major attack, and we got him,” he added of General Suleimani. “We do not seek war, we do not seek nation building, we do not seek regime change, but as president, I will never hesitate to defend the safety of the American people.”

Mr. Trump excited the crowd by repeatedly thanking them for their crucial support in 2016 and promising that “we’re going to blow those numbers away in 2020.”

Mr. Trump, who rarely made church visits in the 2016 presidential campaign and once mistook the plate offering communion for the collection plate, was described by his favorite pastor and current White House aide, Paula White, as a man of God who is “loyal to a T.”

He again taunted Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts by referring to her as “Pocahontas” and mocked Pete Buttigieg , the former mayor of South Bend, Ind., who has spoken frequently about his faith, by claiming he had become religious just “two weeks ago.”

“We can’t let one of our radical left friends come in here because everything we’ve done will be gone in short order,” he said. “They can take it away pretty quickly.”

The event had been planned for several weeks, as an opportunity to highlight Mr. Trump's support from a group of voters who were critical to his victory in 2016.

Mr. Trump has been gripped by anxiety over evangelical voters abandoning him since soon after he took office. He has repeatedly tried to shore up his connection to evangelicals throughout his first term, repeatedly pointing to his move to fill dozens of open federal judicial posts with conservative jurists.

Mr. Trump was surprised when the publication Christianity Today wrote an editorial calling for his removal from office amid the House impeachment inquiry. Roughly 200 evangelicals wrote a letter denouncing the editorial — and several evangelical leaders said it did not reflect a majority view among their voters.

Still, Mr. Trump was troubled by it, according to people close to him.

Outside the rally, supporters said they came to offer their unblinking support for the president. In a city where Hispanics make up 70 percent of the population, many supporters chatted with one another in Spanish as they waited for hours in the blazing Miami sun. The leader of the church, Guillermo Maldonado, made headlines last week when he promised the largely immigrant congregation that undocumented immigrants would not face deportation if they attended the event.

“He’s talking from his heart,” said Michelle Hoff, who came to the rally with two other women from her prayer group. “I can’t remember when we had a president who was honest like he is. Like everyone else, he’s a sinner saved by grace. A lot of people say stuff that they don’t do. He’s doing it.”

Asked if she opposed anything the president said or did, Ms. Hoff said that she only wished he would appoint judges to fully overturn Roe v. Wade and same-sex marriage.

The rally inside the massive church began with energetic Christian rock, with many supporters clad in red MAGA hats dancing and lifting their hands in prayer.

Though all of the invited speakers were popular evangelical leaders and entertainers, many supporters outside were Cuban émigrés who said their primary concern was what they saw as the threat of socialism. Most said they were lifelong Republicans who were more concerned than ever about the Democratic Party gaining more power, citing fears that they would face more government mandates.

“America stands for itself,” said Belkis Gonzalez, 57, a teacher who emigrated from Cuba three decades ago and wore a T-shirt emblazoned with “Socialism sucks,” styled similarly to the logo for Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign. “We are no longer giving money and free support to enemies of America and instead take strong action. We’re not flaky and shaky anymore.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...side/ar-BBYB8GF

smfh

Every time I hear somebody say “god is on my/our side”, I can’t help but wonder if they’re the first people that will burn in hell.

It’s funny cause you always hear that comment after some questionable and shady crap goes down.

Very true. I remenber being happy when Obama took out Osama. The right didn't act like hysterical little girls.I think the Left hates Trump more than they love America.

Shady crap like killing a dirtbag that has killed many Americans and untold number of Iracies.

Osama Bin Laden was responsible for killing 2,977 people on American soil. 15 on the 19 highjackers were Saudi's. The response? Attack Iraq.

Funny how you fail to mention that all Americans wanted Bush to get Osama as well. It wasn't about politics. It was about a man who attacked America and killed Americans on American soil.

The funniest part that some of you wish to spout about is false, as is most things you spew under the umbrella of Trump.

I haven't seen one poster say they were against taking this guy out. Not one.

The difference between some of us and you guys is that we have seen how some of these things work out in the end. We watched a war in Iraq last for well over a decade that we should never have been in in the first place.

As has been mentioned, when you look at things in isolation, you never see the big picture. It's too early to say what all of the ramifications will be from this. But just because someone has enough common sense to wait and see what the ramifications will be before casting judgement doesn't mean they are wrong.

Remember, you're from the same crowd that was eating popcorn while watching shock and awe in Iraq and telling everyone we would win that war in a month.

But that's what happens when you have no patience to see how things play out before saying silly things.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/122...Jamkaran-Mosque




Iran and US tensions are at an all-time high following the killing of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani by Washington in an airstrike. Global leaders have begun assessing the magnitude of the situation with many holding fears of World War 3 and destabilisation of the Middle East. For the first time in the history of Iran, a red flag was raised over the Holy Dome of Jamkarān Mosque symbolising a severe battle to come. The disturbing war flag reads the words: "Those who want to avenge the blood of Hussein."

I remember a few people on here saying Trump was going to get us into a nuclear war with N. Korea, also.

An article I read earlier today said that retaliation from Iran might be more along the cyber attacks type thing. Apparently they are, or could be, good at that type of thing? I don't know.

And, it might be all bluster on Iran's part also.

Rockets hit Baghdad's Green Zone, Iraq base housing US troops
DAILY SABAH
ISTANBUL


According to unconfirmed reports, a missile landed in the vicinity of the U.S. Embassy in the Iraqi capital. A Katyusha rocket fell inside the Green Zone, Reuters said citing police sources.

The road leading to the U.S. Embassy has been closed following the attack. No casualties were immediately reported.

A mortar was also launched inside Baghdad's Jadriya neighborhood, wounding five people, police sources told Reuters.

Another rocket attack reportedly targeted Balad air base that hosts U.S. forces north of Baghdad. According to the base command, three Iraqi personnel were wounded after three mortar shells fell inside the base. Security sources there reported blaring sirens and said surveillance drones were sent above the base to locate the source of the rockets.

While unfortunate, according to CNN, it's not uncommon:

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/us-iran-soleimani-tensions-live-intl/index.html


You might have to scroll down a bit to see the article.


Here it is in full: " Rockets strike two other locations in Iraq

From CNN's Hamdi Alkhshali

A number of rockets landed in the Baghdad neighborhood of Al-Jadiriya and outside Balad Air base without any human casualties, the Iraqi Army said in a statement.

The Iraqi army was unable to clarify how many rockets had been fired in each instance.

Balad Air Base houses US forces and is located 50 miles north of Baghdad.

A rocket impacted Baghdad’s Green Zone earlier today, the Iraqi Army also said in the statement. No fatalities were reported in this incident, according to the statement.

Separately, an Iraqi civilian contractor based at Balad Air Base told CNN four rockets impacted outside the base’s southern gate.

This eyewitness said the sirens at the base sounded sending people into shelters until the all clear signaled it was safe again.

It is not uncommon for rockets to be fired at the Green Zone or US position in Iraq. It is unclear who fired the rockets. "