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4. Either Damon is right and something is said, or we just decide he doesn't have the mental makeup to ever be a successfull # 2 in Cleveland.
Keep in mind, I was just guessing... I have no info or source to tell me that happened at all... Just a wild guess is all that was...
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Time for me to jump in this  I'll overlook your sources...whether they're legid or not...  Frye then goes out and has his worst game of his career. Yet, the Frye haters will pretend Frye always played like that. More excuses for RAC and Savage. Two guys that are in over their heads.
He did things in that game he's always done..thats the bottom line...he couldn't handle the pressure ..they saw it and acted on it.. Funny how Mike Holmgren jumped at the chance of getting Frye Funny how Frye will be a backup in Seattle and not the starter.  Who's talent evaluation are you kool-aid drinkers going to believe in, the Savage/RAC history of talent evaluation, producing zero Pro-Bowlers or Mike Holmgren.
You're the only person sipping any kind of Boon's FARM imitiation wine.. Those guys in Holmgrem's pasture are bone-fide STARTERS not career backups.. What I'm saying is what I heard Phil say but on another board I read where the deal with Seattle was on the table for weeks..now what I read on the OBR and a few PM's was that the Browns had been shopping both QB's but hadn't gotten any offers that they liked.. Simple fact is no one really wanted either that badly.. The Seahawks knew the Browns were going to insert BQ soon so since Phil and their GM are businness associates , they made a deal...thats according to Phil.. Now if the Ref's want me top post the article(I mentioned earlier) I can do that..or I can PM it to anyone ( I did for Coachb).. The reason the coaching staff likes DA is simple..it 's not his BRAIN ..it's his tuffness and arm..he can make the throws Frye could not and he releases the ball quicker..thats why they like him.. But the downside is he's inaccurate and not bright.. I kept saying to everyone he cannot read coverages...and he thinks his arm can get the ball there even if a LB/CB is covering the reciever..thats just STUPID... So MENSA get off this tirade about Rac/Phil..as far as being booted,after what I just read...U ought to banned..heck if I got tossed for calling Pit a baby(and I wasn't even angry) U need to get the hammer slammed down on you for that nonsense..and I'm sure GENUS wasn't what Diam called U.. 
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Funny how Mike Holmgren jumped at the chance of getting Frye
Funny how Frye will be a backup in Seattle and not the starter.
Yeah, your point?
- Steve Young was a backup for years before taking over in San Fran
- Hasselbeck was a backup for years in Seattle before he took over.
Both were thought of as hacks before Holmgren got his hands on them. Same with Favre.
How many Pro-Bowl players has RAC produced at any position, let alone QB?
How many Pro-Bowl players has Savage drafted at any position, let alone QB?
Holmgren is known as a QB guru.
Savage is known for looking like Opie.
RAC is known for looking like humpty dumpty
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thats according to Phil..
Still sippin the Savage Kool-Aid I see. In time you'll see the light.
The guy doesn't know what he's doing. He's in over his head.
2 weeks before the season started he said 'competition' is a good thing at the QB position.
The day he traded Frye he said that 'clarity' is a good thing at the QB position.
So which is it Savage, clarity or competition? But I'm sure most of you will go right on and keep sippin his Kool-Aid.
Give a newspaper link to your source of what RAC said to Frye?
Kind of hard to do, seeing that newspaper writers do not have good sources. Their sources are the waterboy or what they are told in interviews.
You guys just keep on sippin all the Kool-Aid RAC and Phil give you.
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OBVIOUSLY U have no point... Steve Young was a backup for years before taking over in San Fran
So what? He was still known to be a starter of the future not a career backup..thats where U have no clue whatsoever.. How many Pro-Bowl players has RAC produced at any position, let alone QB?
How many Pro-Bowl players has Savage drafted at any position, let alone QB?
Why don't you go hang out on Bmores and NE's websites and see how many pro-bowlers those guys turned out? As far as sipping crap U sip the tea leaves or rather the MARIJUANA leaves of STATS 2 weeks before the season started he said 'competition' is a good thing at the QB position. Yeah and what? It helps to actually HAVE TWO QB's who can compete not 1/2 and 1/2.. It's been known they WANTED ANDERSON to beat Frye out for several reasons..he didn't do it in camp.. The day he traded Frye he said that 'clarity' is a good thing at the QB position. And U need the clarification becuse you're too hung up on Frye to see anything else.. They removed a piece that didn't fit and went to a guy who they felt had more confidence yet paving the way for Quinn to come in.. HOW FREAKING HARD is it to see that???? Give a newspaper link to your source of what RAC said to Frye?
Kind of hard to do, seeing that newspaper writers do not have good sources That means you don't either
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Savage is known for looking like Opie.
RAC is known for looking like humpty dumpty
Whether I agree with you or not, it will be hard for you to be taken seriously when you post stupid things like this. What are you, 3 years old?
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Mensa,, please tell me that your not actually saying this happened?
It did happen.
This organization is being run by coin flippers. They don't know how to run a team.
Savage was offered deals better than a 6th rounder for Frye months ago. But Savage decided not to trade Frye. He decided to wait until after he starts the 1st game of the year to trade him for less in return. Savage is in over his head. Ozzie was the mastermind in Baltimore.
I've been telling you guys that Savage needs to go. Soon you Kool-aid drinkers will get the drift.
Your source is full of crap or you are, one of the two. I KNOW what was said to Charlie, as I found out last night. I also KNOW what he was told when he was traded. As I always say, posters can take what I say for what they will, but you are totally off base.
Charlie was told NO SUCH THING. What he was told was that he had won the starting position. He was also told that the situation could change based on the performance of all the QBs (paraphrasing of course), which is obviously referring to the fact he was simply warming a spot until BQ was ready.
The trade, according to what Charlie was told, was in the works for a couple weeks. He was told that both he and DA had been considered to be traded because they wanted to get more preperation time for Quinn and because they wanted the QB position "settled". They told Charlie that they traded him because he had the most value. They also said that the offense Seattle run was better suited for Frye's skill set and this was a good situation for him as well.
Again, take what I say as you will. I had the conversation last night for about 45 minutes and this is what went down. Believe it or not, I'll still sleep well tonight 
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Your source is full of crap or you are, one of the two. IT'S MORE LIKE BOTH...
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Funny how Mike Holmgren jumped at the chance of getting Frye
Funny how Frye will be a backup in Seattle and not the starter.
Yeah, your point?
- Steve Young was a backup for years before taking over in San Fran
- Hasselbeck was a backup for years in Seattle before he took over.
Both were thought of as hacks before Holmgren got his hands on them. Same with Favre.
How many Pro-Bowl players has RAC produced at any position, let alone QB?
How many Pro-Bowl players has Savage drafted at any position, let alone QB?
Holmgren is known as a QB guru.
Savage is known for looking like Opie.
RAC is known for looking like humpty dumpty
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thats according to Phil..
Still sippin the Savage Kool-Aid I see. In time you'll see the light.
The guy doesn't know what he's doing. He's in over his head.
2 weeks before the season started he said 'competition' is a good thing at the QB position.
The day he traded Frye he said that 'clarity' is a good thing at the QB position.
So which is it Savage, clarity or competition? But I'm sure most of you will go right on and keep sippin his Kool-Aid.
Give a newspaper link to your source of what RAC said to Frye?
Kind of hard to do, seeing that newspaper writers do not have good sources. Their sources are the waterboy or what they are told in interviews.
You guys just keep on sippin all the Kool-Aid RAC and Phil give you.
I thought you were crazy before, but boy you've fallen off your rocker now...
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But the question of "why" is what I'm getting at?
the why is easy if you;d just quit hammering the nails into RAC's gallos to actually think about sumptin ....
1. The Seahags lost a WR .. they wanted to move their current back up QB to WR .. they needed another back up to do that ...
why is that so hard to comprehend???? their solution to their WR woes OBVIOUSLY created a NEED for them at QB ...
2A. the Seahags called Dorsey in to talk to him .. and Dorsey was the QB we want to groom BQ ... IMO we cut Dorsey believing he would be available and we could get sumptin for Frye or DA in the not to distant future ...
2B. Frye was worth more than DA to Seattle and it was time for him to go ...
did his value rise after he crapped the bed?? NOPE ... bit NFL folks actually have brains and use them .. they don't base things on ONE SHOWING ... good or bad ... folks around here put way to much stock in that ... always have and always will .. your not one of them .. but in this case to continue your mountain building u are acting like the dolts usually do ...
the thing u dont'n seem to able to grasp is this ... and i'll make this as simple as possible ...
1. BQ is our future ... we didn't need DA and Frye ..
2. We were fielding offers for both of them for at least a couple weeks before the season started ... we deemed that at the time for whatever we could get for either of them it wasn't worth it ...
BUT ONE OF THEM WAS GOING AT SOME POINT ... and we wanted Dorsey to groom BQ ...
Say what u want about Opie .. but he has been HONEST and pretty straight forward since he's been here ... and he said we wanted Dorsey and when the Hags called him in it scared him ...
3. (and this one u get) .. Frye is a better QB than DA ... people can talk about DA's arm strength and how quick he gets rid of the ball .. but the first two tools to be a good QB are BRAINS and ACCURACY ... and he is a MISERABLE FAILURE in both these areas ...
so Frye was worth more on the market ... well he should ahve been anyhow .. NFL GM's have proven they fall prey to the BIG ARM THEORY ... they fall for it everytime ...
and for u to say that letting Frye or DA run this team from Day 1 to prepare for the season would ahve made a difference or was the right thing to do is well beneath U .. your way smarter than that ..
the "season" for who ever won the job was 6 weeks .. then the job IS and ALWAYS WAS BQ'S ... IMO once the holdout ended that was the plan ...
and yes i believe a 6th rnd pick is way more valuable than a STOP GAP QB .... the odds of the 6th rounder panning out are slim to none .. but we knew the QB was stop gap .. thats 100% ...
I wish we traded DA ... but we didn't ... i believe frye is a much better QB than that horrible horrible decision maker ... but i have no clue why prepearing a stop gap QB when your not sure witch one is the stop gap is such a big deal ....
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1. Is DA accurate???
2. does DA make good decisions??
how is he a decent back up??? *LOL* ... i don't get it bro .. he'll be out of football sooner as opposed to later ..
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Hey Pit ... Coach B (did i just u call Coach B ... felt funny not typing SUPPOSEDELY WANNA BE COACH B .... *LOL*) just verified pretty much everything i said .. IMAGINE THAT .... the so called idiots had a plan all along ...... what was that noise???????? the mountain being blown up ...
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I don't think it shows taste to share a private message in that manner.
well that figures .. ACCOUNTABILITY is not something u believe in??? ... I'm not one that believes in HIDING or doing things behind closed doors .. REEKS of deception and dishonesty to me ...
If i write or say somethng i am MAN ENOUGH to say it in public and OWN IT .... appearantly your not ...
he did it ... he OWNS IT ..... no HIDING behind PM's ... at least not in my world ...
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I like Orange Kool Aid .. but Grape is prolly my fav on a hot summers day .... witch one do u like???? Cant wait to see Frye STUDDING out like Young, Favre and Matt have ... I just won't be holding my breath ... 
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I like Tropical Fruit Punch But I don't have stats to back that up... Cant wait to see Frye STUDDING out like Young, Favre and Matt have Depends on well we can manipulate any stats 
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Sure I do.
And agree the note showed some true colors of a poster i have had on ignore for a long, long time..
I just don't think you should have shared it being a private message, other than with the refs.
But it doesn't matter...I think you are a good egg who I know doesn't hide much, right or wrong...and that is a trait I respect.
In this case, while I don't agree with the posting of that message, it doesn't make me question your honesty or anything like that.
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I'm glad diam posted that. Mensa's childish little rant doesn't deserve the respect of keeping PMs private.
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The answer to both of those questions is........not at times, but every once in awhile the light goes and he is both...lol. His problem is putting those 2 together consistantly........or even somewhat consistant. Now let me ask you a question.........
How many backup QBs in this league share the exact same qualities that DA does???
Imo alot..lol........heck that's why they are backups. If we where mentoring DA to be a long term solution I would be scared, but he has the PO to be a decent backup............just look around the league at simular guys.
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Thats VERY believable coach. I could see them saying that too him, letting him know they were confident in him "you are the starter, but you have to perform." But then explained the trade telling him he had value...thats not ripping him down, its just stating a truth. If anything that should have helped his psyche "someone still sees ability in you," and telling him its a good situation.
I really like reading your posts when people don't get you caught up in agendas. Just hit the ignore button man. Thanks for clearing the confusion in this thread up.
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How many Pro-Bowl players has RAC produced at any position, let alone QB?
Not having been a HC before, it would have been rather hard to develop a QB,,, It would be MORONIC to think otherwise. As for defensive players,, are you kidding me.. the man has been a position coach or coordinator on 5 superbowl teams,, I'm not gonna sit here and list the potential guys that could have been developed or at least had thier skills honed by RAC,, the list would be too dang long,, but you got to be kidding me with that line of thinking. That's weak man,,, very very weak
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How many Pro-Bowl players has Savage drafted at any position, let alone QB?
Tons of players have been scouted by Savage but drafted by Ozzie that have been to the Pro Bowl many many times.. but you don't like Savage because he traded your boy.... so nothing anyone can say is gonna change your mind.... But your right about NO QB's,,,,,
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Is this the best you can do.... Sticks and stones may break my bones,,, but gees man,,, can you grow up a little....
Since I don't want to be banned from this sight, I won't call you a name, but this line of thinking is MORONIC,,,, There seems to be a theme brewing,...... read below!
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Give a newspaper link to your source of what RAC said to Frye?
Kind of hard to do, seeing that newspaper writers do not have good sources. Their sources are the waterboy or what they are told in interviews.
I'm pretty sure that there is NOBODY that hates the media more than me,, But that's just not true.... it just isn't!
Mensa, your source is making you sound like an idiot!
So do yourself and us a favor, Stop listening to them,, Those dang voices in your head will get you every time man......
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Say what u want about Opie .. but he has been HONEST and pretty straight forward since he's been here ... and he said we wanted Dorsey and when the Hags called him in it scared him ...
I believe Opie is honest. I believe when he said he planned to "take his time" and "not rush Quinn" he meant every word of it. And that's my point. I believe it is far more valuable to have TWO QB's in front of Quinn to not risk having to gamble rushing him into the starting role. Which is the position we ended up being in only one week after Phil indicated he "did not plan to rush this".
I think the mass confusion created at the QB position during training camp then Frye being pulled before half time forced Phils hand into making a move he simply didn't want to make. I don't think "rushing the 30 million dollar man" to recieve a sixth round pick is a decision Phil "wanted" to make. But the lack of having a decisive head coach that turned the "interum QB starting job" into a major distraction and sideshow,forced Phils hand to step in and do this.
Diam,I think you're smarter than to believe that too. No matter wheather DA or Frye started this season,it was just as a "temporary fill in". It wasn't some major "franchise making" decision. There was no need for all the drama just to pick a guy that would do nothing more than keep the seat warm for five or six games. I'm not "driving" the nails into anyones coffin. But I sure as hell know how to count them being driven in. RAC driving the nails,I'm just able to count them.
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3. (and this one u get) .. Frye is a better QB than DA ... people can talk about DA's arm strength and how quick he gets rid of the ball .. but the first two tools to be a good QB are BRAINS and ACCURACY ... and he is a MISERABLE FAILURE in both these areas ...
I agree with you there. I think Garcia was the best QB we've had here since our return,but he was a terrible fit in our system. And the results made all partys look the worse for it.
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so Frye was worth more on the market ... well he should ahve been anyhow .. NFL GM's have proven they fall prey to the BIG ARM THEORY ... they fall for it everytime ...
Once again,you are saying that you believe a future sixth round pick is worth more than having an insurance policy that secures the fact that Quinn won't be "rushed into the starting role"? I can't believe you're sincere in that. I've read your posts all along about how you want them to take their time with Brady. How critical that is. How the absolute EARLIEST you wanted to see Brady was after the bye,longer if possible.
Now you sit here and tell me that it is more logical to have risked Brady to the point that he was one snap away from being our starter and thrown in during game 2 for a sixth round draft pick? As I said,you can't have it both ways Diam.
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and for u to say that letting Frye or DA run this team from Day 1 to prepare for the season would ahve made a difference or was the right thing to do is well beneath U .. your way smarter than that ..
Once again,people can't have it both ways. On the one hand,they claim how young and innexperienced our team is. How they need time to learn and grow. That they need to gain continuity playing together as a team.
Then in the very next breath,they claim that haveing a starter established early in pre season to get a head start on these very things they claim are so critical,meant nothing at all. I don't buy that for a minute.
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the "season" for who ever won the job was 6 weeks .. then the job IS and ALWAYS WAS BQ'S ... IMO once the holdout ended that was the plan ...
And I agree. That's why it was nothing more than a very short term,interum position that either could have done. Just pick one. No need for all of the drama that insued over something so basic,temporary,and in the grand scheme of things,rather meaningless. Just pick one so the team can be focused on their preperation,instead of being distracted by some unnecassary sideshow.
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and yes i believe a 6th rnd pick is way more valuable than a STOP GAP QB .... the odds of the 6th rounder panning out are slim to none .. but we knew the QB was stop gap .. thats 100% ...
And taking that gamble that Brady could have been thrown into the fire during game two? Yeah,the fact he wasn't ready yet? Yep,the future of Brady Quinn and his preperation was far less valuable than a sixth rounder who as you said,has very little chance of panning out.
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I wish we traded DA ... but we didn't ... i believe frye is a much better QB than that horrible horrible decision maker ... but i have no clue why prepearing a stop gap QB when your not sure witch one is the stop gap is such a big deal ....
I wish we would have had both as an insurance policy untill Brady truely was ready instead of gambling throwing him into the fire for a sixth rounder. But that's just me. Seems all of a sudden,having him adequately prepared before naming him the back up and being one snap away from playing in game two and starting in week three,has taken a back seat on your priority list over a sixth round pick Diam. Because that's what happenned and you're sitting here upholding it.
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Just hit the ignore button man.
So...uhh....where's the ignore button? 
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Just hit the ignore button man.
So...uhh....where's the ignore button?
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lol...just click their name...there'll be an option for it..maybe 
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He was also told that the situation could change based on the performance of all the QBs (paraphrasing of course), which is obviously referring to the fact he was simply warming a spot until BQ was ready.
While the phrasing is different how is the basic intent of what you claim was said all that much different from what Mensa claims was said? To me he was told (even in your scenario) screw up and you're toast.
Either way that's hardly the way to build up a player. Whether you think it's poor coaching or poor FO management to me it's the same, basically. Someone in Berea needs to get a clue.
You guys rip Mensa and REF1 even threatens him. Yet coachb comes on and does essentially the same thing and receives no such warnings. Strange, especially since it's not the first time he or Vers or even OT have claimed inside info. Info, which frankly, I find fairly interesting. I also happen to think that I'm smart enough to weed out the BS and decide for myself what is wheat and what is chaff.....
Mensa may be a dolt but the rules should be applied evenly. JMHO
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I think the difference is they actually do have it through various sources, are knowledgable about the game, arent trying to start arguments via these sources...you know what I mean. Though I do agree to some extent...If I said I had an inside source then...ban the heck outta me, but Mensa is just... Speaking of Vers, where is he? He was very knowledgable about the game...even if he was a little brash I respected his knowledge and opinions, and I enjoyed reading them.
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i think quinn could elevate the play of the offense... the line, the receivers, even jamal lewis...
but can he help that defense? i just don't know... those guys really need to find themselves
i don't think it really matters who the qb is if we keep giving up 30+ points a game, sure you'll win some shootouts, but that's not championship football, and i don't like it.
i didn't think they would be that bad, i mean i know that our defense is not perfect, and we do cough up rushing yards, but i didn't think they'd be this embarassing...
i just think you might as well let him sit a bit more, especially if the defense is going to play like this... now, if they find themselves, then maybe you consider it...
i have no doubt that he is "ready" to play, i just don't know how much time he has gotten in practice with the first team... i have this feeling that it isn't enough
i think starting him in st louis after the bye is a great idea, for one, you'll put him on the road, instead of playing in cleveland, where he may get distracted by family, friends, and obviously the rest of the cleveland fans, get him on the road, against a hostile crowd, and let him just focus on his teammates and getting the jobe done.
plus, with the bye week, you give him 2 weeks to prepare for a very sub-par defense, i think the situation is perfect...
and third, you give anderson more time to prove himself...
i mean, sure most people have us counted out already, but really, we're only a few games into the year and anything can happen
we saw it with tennessee last year, they looked horrible early on, vince young comes in and saves the day, and they barely missed the playoffs, maybe tennessee is kicking themselves for not starting him earlier, maybe not, but that team is in great shape now.
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If you think Mensa is the only one who tries to start an argument with some of his posts you just haven't been paying attention.... Vers is still ticked that he was banished for a couple of months and now refuses to post here. I think he just wants some of us to say "pretty please come back" before he deems this place suitable. If he comes back, great. If not, we'll live.
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Quinn can elevate the play of this entire team
I've stayed off this thread because I don't think the title is true...but like most QB threads it goes on and on...many times bringing on the worst in people.
QB threads are the '3rd rail' of Browns message boards.
Quinn cannot help the D much. We saw DA have a day against the Bungles like we hope Quinn will have regularly...and what happened? We almost lost.
Quinn will not be on the LOS blocking for a game winning field goal like the Oakland game.
Quinn will make bad decisions, all QB's do (does anybody make more bad decisions than Brett Favre?)
DA vs CF....I dunno. DA makes some bad decisions, locks on guys so hard that he can't see a defender standing right in the passing lane and sometimes his throws are very inaccurate . Yet, many times he'll stand tall in that pocket, survey the field, look off a receiver and come back to him with a nice throw.
CF - made the same bad decisions, locked on to receivers, wasn't extreamly accurate, usually did not survey the field but took off to run. This could've come from the bad OL's that he's had to play with up until now. But yet, CF could make things happen when nothing was there...and was probably the better touch passer.
To RAC's credit, it's almost a coin flip....but it can NEVER be a coin flip (or gut feeling). You've gotta chose one and let it be known why.
As to the underlying current in this thread of inappropriate posting...
We've had name calling by some very passionate (and supposedly knowledgeable) Browns posters, some have even been banned for it. But my view is, if you can't have a discussion without resorting to calling people names for having their wrong opinions then you can't be all that bright in the first place...which tarnishes the supposed brightness of your football opinions...
...call me an idiot, but that's my wrong opinion...
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We've had name calling by some very passionate (and supposedly knowledgeable) Browns posters, some have even been banned for it. But my view is, if you can't have a discussion without resorting to calling people names for having their wrong opinions then you can't be all that bright in the first place...which tarnishes the supposed brightness of your football opinions...
your confusing football knowledge and brains ... I will be the first to admit that i am not a very bright person .. not at all ... i am about 99.9% positive that Peenie is a MUCH MUCH MUCH SMARTER person than I am ... and at the same time i am 100% POSITIVE that i know way more about football then him ...
i am also sure that most people on here are BRIGHTER than me .. and i mean that .. but i am also sure that i know MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL than most of the people that are brighter than me ..
IT IS WHAT IT IS .... if u allow how the message is delivered to tarnish the message ... your the one losing out on what could be an INTELLIGENT MESSAGE in the realm of football ...
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call me an idiot, but that's my wrong opinion
your not an idiot and your opinions not wrong ... and u know i;d tell if they were .. *L* .. your just CONFUSING two concepts in this arena ....
BRIGHTNESS and FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE ...
it is a football forum after all isnt it??? *L* ..
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I don't think there was any drama ... i believe they were trying to peddle them both so they pretty much split the reps as much as they could cause they werent sure who was going ... We do have Dorsey still don't we??? cause of DA goes down we will have to "live" with BQ for the rest of that game .. then if we so choose Dorsey can start the next game ... or is that not an option??? .. *L* I also believe that BQ picked up the playbook and learned MUCH FASTER than anyone imagined he could ... so he;s prolly more ready than most believe ... i think at this point hes being held til the bye more cause of the Rats and Pats D than hes not "ready" yet ... i believe in the off season when there is no doubt who's team it is U will begin to hear stories of his BRAINS and WORK ETHIC that will make u very very proud and happy we have him ... Vette I forgot one thing .. don't worry the QB crap will end once and for all in about 4 or 5 weeks ... THANK GOD ... as for me .. i guess I'll always be "dim" in your book as I will always call a spade a spade .. no matter how politically incorrect or how dumb u think it makes me .. at least the QB situation will be solved bro .. and thats whats really important now isn't it ...
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Quinn Ready but Waiting Turn With Browns Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:24 PM EDT The Associated Press By TOM WITHERS AP Sports Writer BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Brady Quinn was urged to "Play Like A Champion" at Notre Dame. These days, all he can do is practice like one. While his fabled alma mater anguishes through its worst start in its 119-year history of football, Quinn, the former Golden Dome quarterback, is doing all he can to stay sharp as a backup for the Cleveland Browns. It hasn't been easy. No. 10 isn't accustomed to being No. 2 — in anything. For the first time since early in his freshman year under the imposing shadow of Touchdown Jesus and a long line of Heisman Trophy winners, Quinn is not starting or playing. And while he's destined to be the Browns' quarterback of the future, presently he's serving as Derek Anderson's backup. "It's difficult at times as a competitor," Quinn said Thursday while tying his cleats before practice. Quinn's on hold. The Browns (1-2), who host the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, want to bring their first-round draft pick along slowly. Their plan is to keep him on the sideline as long as possible so he can learn before having to face NFL defenses. However, the 22-year-old is just an injury to Anderson away from being thrown to the Ravens, Patriots, Dolphins or Rams. Quinn says he's prepared to step in if needed. "You have to be ready as the backup quarterback," he said. "You stay after practice to get extra reps and extra throws and go through the script again a second time so you make sure you're going through the physical motion of it, and not just the mental, before and during practice." Quinn has been spending extra time in the film room breaking down tape of upcoming opponents. And because he doesn't get the same number of snaps in practice as Anderson, he's staying on the field after workouts to get in more throws. "You have to prepare like you would if you were the starter," he said. "You obviously aren't getting the same amount of physical reps, so you have to make up for the throws after practice. That's something you have to make sure you do." While Anderson, who took over for Charlie Frye in the opener, works with the starters during practice, Quinn, whose development was slowed by an 11-day holdout during training camp, stands off to the side. As Anderson approaches the line, Quinn, too, scans the field looking for any possible blitzers. As Anderson drops back to pass, so does Quinn. And as Anderson tosses a pass, Quinn pretends he's throwing one. "I just try to find a spot where I do my own little walkthrough," he said, "a little short abbreviated version of the drop, the handoff, going through my progression, what I'm seeing right behind the play. That's helped me a lot and it did help me a lot when I was in this position at Notre Dame." And on the topic of the Fighting Irish, Quinn, like Notre Dame backers worldwide, is hurting. He's been in contact with a few of his former teammates and coaches, who take an 0-4 record into this week's game against Purdue. "I don't think any of them could have imagined it dropping to these depths," Quinn said. "It's tough. I don't think they foresaw the season going the way it is now. But I know they are hard at work and they're trying to get things back." Notre Dame's fall from grace has led some to have a greater appreciation for Quinn, who led the Irish to 29 victories and three bowl appearances during four seasons. Quinn, though, tried to pass around the compliment. "It wasn't just me," he said. "We had a lot of other guys who gave us a lot of support out there and helped us out. There's a lot of positions being filled in for now that maybe aren't where they were last year or the last couple of years." Like Quinn, all the Irish can do is keep practicing. Link
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And this is right where we want him for a time!
I want him to be 1. Ready, and 2. Hungry...
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I'm not Derrick anderson fan, but in a couple years when we look back, these few games DA has come in and performed pretty good, has given Brady time to sit & learn, these few games could mean the diffrence between sucess & failure and DA has given Qiunn the diffrence.
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i guess I'll always be "dim" in your book
I don't think you're dim
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The difference is that Charlie understood that they were saying that him being the starter was based on how quickly Quinn progressed, which EVERYONE knows. It wasn't a "screw up and you're gone" conversation and I am paraphrasing since I wasn't in the meeting. RAC was just being honest and stating the obvious. As to what I posted, if the refs feel that it is something I shouldn't do, that's fine. I have posted things before that was from the "inside" and it has been verified when it was reported in the media later on. I happen to have associations with a few people within the organization. It's no different than Danielle sharing things she does on occasion. Having said that, again, if PPE and the refs want me to NOT post it, then that's what PMs can be used for.
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Who ever said you were dim?
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In my opinion, DA has NOT performed anywhere near "good" or "good enough".
This charade needs to end...it's not good for anyone.
BQ is at least as ready now as DA will ever be and the OL is giving the QB time and keeping him clean.
I view this as just another example of RAC's stubbornness/ego. It would be one thing if DA was getting it done...but we know what we've got here...no matter how hard anyone tries to sugar-coat it.
BQ has certainly made up the 11 days missed by now...let's get on with it.
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In my opinion, DA has NOT performed anywhere near "good" or "good enough".
This charade needs to end...it's not good for anyone.
BQ is at least as ready now as DA will ever be and the OL is giving the QB time and keeping him clean.
I disagree. I think Anderson has been good enough. Good enough to keep Quinn on the sidelines.
I just don't get it how so many can think Quinn is as ready as Anderson. This is PRO football. The best defense Quinn ever faced in college was a bunch of pansies compared to the WORST defense in the NFL. And people are calling for him to go out for the first time behind our still inconsistent O-Line against the likes of the Ravens' and Patriots' defenses.
I'm happy they're keeping him at #2. The longer the better. Better for Quinn and better for the FUTURE of the Cleveland Browns.
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