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I just don't get it how so many can think Quinn is as ready as Anderson. This is PRO football. The best defense Quinn ever faced in college was a bunch of pansies compared to the WORST defense in the NFL. And people are calling for him to go out for the first time behind our still inconsistent O-Line against the likes of the Ravens' and Patriots' defenses.
And I don't get why some people want to baby him so much.
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In my opinion, DA has NOT performed anywhere near "good" or "good enough".
This charade needs to end...it's not good for anyone.
BQ is at least as ready now as DA will ever be and the OL is giving the QB time and keeping him clean.
I disagree. I think Anderson has been good enough. Good enough to keep Quinn on the sidelines.
I just don't get it how so many can think Quinn is as ready as Anderson. This is PRO football. The best defense Quinn ever faced in college was a bunch of pansies compared to the WORST defense in the NFL. And people are calling for him to go out for the first time behind our still inconsistent O-Line against the likes of the Ravens' and Patriots' defenses.
I'm happy they're keeping him at #2. The longer the better. Better for Quinn and better for the FUTURE of the Cleveland Browns.
Yeah PROfootball. People spend money to the best players start. 1st rnd. picks have risen to the top of college football and should be ready to play.
If a rookie is the best at his position he should be on the field.
My college team, sure red-shirt the freshman, but this is PROfootball.
Are tickets and merch. half price while the half-QB plays?
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Are the tickets and merchandise half priced at OSU when they redshirt a player? Terrible analogy.
I want what is best for Quinn over his very long and prosperous Browns career. I don't mind if we have to sacrifice a few games here and there for that. I don't live in the microwave mentality. If sitting Quinn is what's best for him and the Browns long term, then that is what should be done.
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Are the tickets and merchandise half priced at OSU when they redshirt a player? Terrible analogy.
Do you think Tressell would redshirt a kid who was better than anybody else on the roster at his position and could help him win THIS YEAR?
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Naw I expect it from college. As far as the microwave, my old stove has been cooking for about 40 yrs. with this team and I guess I'm still not coping well with building an expansion team, again, and again... 
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No, but I bet you he wouldn't throw him into the mix until he thought he was ready. As a matter of fact, I know he would forget the betting  Tackman, I'm right there with you. HOWEVER, it is obvious this team is being built the right way. You've waited 40 years....what's a few more games?
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Ok, so then we are in agreement. If RAC believes Brady is NOT ready, then sitting him is the right thing to do.... if RAC believes that Brady IS ready and is sitting him for some other reason, then that's the wrong thing to do.... right?
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Absolutely. I don't want him to sit just to sit. I want him to sit IFRAC thinks he needs to do so because he isn't ready.
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Ok, so then we are in agreement. If RAC believes Brady is NOT ready, then sitting him is the right thing to do.... if RAC believes that Brady IS ready and is sitting him for some other reason, then that's the wrong thing to do.... right?
Play your best players,BQ was the best QB in the preseason.I dont care who he was playing against.You could plainly see who was in charge during the huddle and he makes all the big throws.Nuff Said !!!!!!
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i guess I'll always be "dim" in your book
I don't think you're dim
Quit being nice to him. He is dim. Actually calling him dim is a compliment.
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Happy bithday then. Shouldn't you be going over game plans instead of posting on a message board?
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if RAC believes that Brady IS ready and is sitting him for some other reason, then that's the wrong thing to do.... right?
DEPENDS on what that other reason wouldn't it?
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No...not until later in the afternoon. I may be different, but on Fridays, if I do that all day, I go stir crazy. Everything's in place, plays are scripted, and ready to go. If you're still planning on Friday, you're in trouble We'll meet again around 2 to make sure we're all on the same page. Other than that, I need the distractions.
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He is dim. Actually calling him dim is a compliment.
Calling me dim is and insult to dim people .. *LOL* ...
DC ... I don't agree .. IF BQ was ready to start this week ... IMO he still shouldn't start ... NEXT WEEK EITHER .... why would I send him to the wolves when we have some lambs coming up shorty????? why would i do that to my FUTURE????
why would i not break him in SLOWLY and wait for the LAMBS to be abundant and on the horizon???
only reason I can think of is because U believe we would win with him and have a shot at the playoffs .. well I am the biggest BQ pimp around and am telling u that there is NO WAY IN HELL HES LEADING US TO THE PLAYOFFS .... NONE ... Montana, Marino, manning none of them couldlead this team to the playoffs .. its not ready ... YET ....
the PLAN no matter how revolting it is to most should be to get BQ PREPARED for next year ... thats when IMO we will have a shot at squeezing into the playoffs that have NOTHING TO DO WITH QB PLAY ...
and the best way to get him prepped for next eyar is to start him from the bye week forward IMO ... thats the RIGHT WAY TO DO IT ... the schedule set up for that ... and with his holdout it worked out quite well .. *L* ..
the PLAN should not be to send BQ out until:
1. FIRST and FOREMOST ... BEFORE Hes Ready .. witch we agree on ..
2. send him out to early to "appease" the fans ... and thats all this would be ..
PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE ... with this team and with when BQ plays .. and lets not forget that when he plays with him .. *L* ..
I live in B's world outside the microwave ... BIG PICTURE PEOPLE .... and the Big Pic should be about PROTECTING OUR INVESTMENT ... not PAMPERING him and hiding him .. but puttin ghim in when the SITUATION IS RIGHT ...
cause i'll tell u right now .. and your not gonna want to hear it .. IMO BQ would give us a MUCH BETTER chance of winning the next two games than DA (well actually the Rats game i dont think we have a shot in hell of winning the Pats game) .... and i am THRILLED were not going to run him out there ..
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I don't think anyone gives us a chance to win the upcoming game against the Ravens,,,, sounds like a perfect time to steal one
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Hey, I probably wouldn't start him this week or next week either...
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You would... so would I... the argument can be made that if you aren't prepared to send him in agains the Patriots, that he's not ready...
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before i was banned and rightfully so I will add (some folks think there banned unfairly ,... well i wasn't ... GOOD JOB REFS ... just don't do it again .. do u know who i am???? .... *LOL*) ... I said we could beat the Bungles .. I actually felt pretty good about our chances ... well this week were playing a beatable team .. just not sure the match ups are gonna work out for us ..
there beatable ... i just don't think by us this week .... but it is no wheres near as big a lock as most would suspect ...
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I didn't know you were banned,,,
Anyway... on any given sunday I suppose, but this is gonna be tough,..
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Quinn, the former Golden Dome quarterback, is doing all he can to stay sharp as a backup for the Cleveland Browns.
It hasn't been easy. No. 10 isn't accustomed to being No. 2 — in anything.
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And I have to wonder if watching Anderson, who by the way does not have much more experiance than Brady, is helping very much? I see the kid standing on the sideline with a ball cap on and think of a missed opportunity for him to truly learn something and as a team possibly a missed opportunity for a win!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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And I have to wonder if watching Anderson, who by the way does not have much more experiance than Brady, is helping very much? I see the kid standing on the sideline with a ball cap on and think of a missed opportunity for him to truly learn something and as a team possibly a missed opportunity for a win!
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I thought those who felt we would coast by Oakland were wrong.... and I think those who think Baltimore will coast by us are wrong...
i'd disagree with this but appearantly thats not allowed ...  ... well that and the fact i agree with it ...
anyone that thinks we'll skate by any team is seriously overestimating us and underestimating our opponent ...
were a young team .. that leads to INCONSISTENCY ... so we can take no one for granted ... we also have some talent ... so taking us lightly isnt real smart either .. i just don't think we match up well with the Rats .. but there beatable ... there not as good as folks think they are ... and we have a shot to do it ..
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I thought those who felt we would coast by Oakland were wrong.... and I think those who think Baltimore will coast by us are wrong...
i'd disagree with this but appearantly thats not allowed ... ... well that and the fact i agree with it ...
anyone that thinks we'll skate by any team is seriously overestimating us and underestimating our opponent ...
were a young team .. that leads to INCONSISTENCY ... so we can take no one for granted ... we also have some talent ... so taking us lightly isnt real smart either .. i just don't think we match up well with the Rats .. but there beatable ... there not as good as folks think they are ... and we have a shot to do it ..
This is a football game you WIN !! at home,If we dont then yes we stink and we'll be on our way to a 3-13 record.
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Yes, he can still stay sharp by sitting and watching if you read the whole article where he stays after and gets more reps.
It's not all that difficult to sit and watch when you understand the long term goal of not just the franchise, but your own career. BQ is a smart enough kid to think that he has to start right now to have a great career. If he was patient enough to hold out for 11 days, he's patient enough to wait until the coaches feel it's time for him to go.
Watching ANY QB whether they have experience or not will help BQ. It's not so much watching Anderson, but seeing the situations with the calls that are made, seeing the defenses that line up against that call, learning what to read and what to recognize, learning to audible, etc. All of that is what BQ is learning now by watching DA line up while BQ sits back and talks about it with Dorsey.
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Watching ANY QB whether they have experience or not will help BQ. It's not so much watching Anderson, but seeing the situations
That was my thought.. it's not like his focus is Anderson, his focus is the defense and the situation... he's able to make the read without having to worry about running the play, etc..
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But is we don't win "we stink, and will go 3-13" 
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He was also told that the situation could change based on the performance of all the QBs (paraphrasing of course), which is obviously referring to the fact he was simply warming a spot until BQ was ready.
While the phrasing is different how is the basic intent of what you claim was said all that much different from what Mensa claims was said? To me he was told (even in your scenario) screw up and you're toast.
Either way that's hardly the way to build up a player. Whether you think it's poor coaching or poor FO management to me it's the same, basically. Someone in Berea needs to get a clue.
You guys rip Mensa and REF1 even threatens him. Yet coachb comes on and does essentially the same thing and receives no such warnings. Strange, especially since it's not the first time he or Vers or even OT have claimed inside info. Info, which frankly, I find fairly interesting. I also happen to think that I'm smart enough to weed out the BS and decide for myself what is wheat and what is chaff.....
Mensa may be a dolt but the rules should be applied evenly. JMHO
I agree, in the exact same thread no less. I realize Mensa is being a pain in the rear with his constant Frye propping, but if their are rules then apply them across the board. Otherwise whats the point of anyone following the rules when we can clearly see that enforcement is sketchy and performed on a whim apparently.
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Yes, he can still stay sharp by sitting and watching if you read the whole article where he stays after and gets more reps.
It's not all that difficult to sit and watch when you understand the long term goal of not just the franchise, but your own career. BQ is a smart enough kid to think that he has to start right now to have a great career. If he was patient enough to hold out for 11 days, he's patient enough to wait until the coaches feel it's time for him to go.
Watching ANY QB whether they have experience or not will help BQ. It's not so much watching Anderson, but seeing the situations with the calls that are made, seeing the defenses that line up against that call, learning what to read and what to recognize, learning to audible, etc. All of that is what BQ is learning now by watching DA line up while BQ sits back and talks about it with Dorsey.
Thats all well and good however I dont see any substitute for in game experience.And while RAC is holding him back his coaching job is slowly slipping away.IMO his only chance is to get BQ on track and show the owners of this team he is heading in the right direction.
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Actually, there is a substitute for in game experience....it's called preparation. Also, just because the public thinks RAC's job is slipping away, I am pretty sure that the FO and RAC are in agreement on bringing BQ along slowly and has bought RAC some time with the people who's opinion matters....Savage's and Lerner's.
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He was also told that the situation could change based on the performance of all the QBs (paraphrasing of course), which is obviously referring to the fact he was simply warming a spot until BQ was ready.
While the phrasing is different how is the basic intent of what you claim was said all that much different from what Mensa claims was said? To me he was told (even in your scenario) screw up and you're toast.
Either way that's hardly the way to build up a player. Whether you think it's poor coaching or poor FO management to me it's the same, basically. Someone in Berea needs to get a clue.
You guys rip Mensa and REF1 even threatens him. Yet coachb comes on and does essentially the same thing and receives no such warnings. Strange, especially since it's not the first time he or Vers or even OT have claimed inside info. Info, which frankly, I find fairly interesting. I also happen to think that I'm smart enough to weed out the BS and decide for myself what is wheat and what is chaff.....
Mensa may be a dolt but the rules should be applied evenly. JMHO
I agree, in the exact same thread no less. I realize Mensa is being a pain in the rear with his constant Frye propping, but if their are rules then apply them across the board. Otherwise whats the point of anyone following the rules when we can clearly see that enforcement is sketchy and performed on a whim apparently.
So, there should be no one allowed to talk about what they know from the inside? Danielle shouldn't be allowed to talk about things she discusses with Hank? There are people here with LEGITIMATE inside information that has been proven correct time and time again. Again, if the owner of the site doesn't want it posted, that's fine....but there's a huge difference between maverick, myself, Vers, and Danielle and what Mensa did. Mensa invented a quote. Others have proven the validity of their information over the years.
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Happy Bithday CoachB and thank you for a football responce and not a degrading post. Quote:
Watching ANY QB whether they have experience or not will help BQ. It's not so much watching Anderson, but seeing the situations with the calls that are made, seeing the defenses that line up against that call, learning what to read and what to recognize, learning to audible, etc. All of that is what BQ is learning now by watching DA line up while BQ sits back and talks about it with Dorsey.
I'm sure you are right that he is learning something I just think he would be learning alot more with a hands on experiance. I guess that will come in the near future but I think he is the kind of player that needs to feel the physical side of the game to stay sharp. I'm not at all worried by his mental side of it.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Actually, there is a substitute for in game experience....it's called preparation. Also, just because the public thinks RAC's job is slipping away, I am pretty sure that the FO and RAC are in agreement on bringing BQ along slowly and has bought RAC some time with the people who's opinion matters....Savage's and Lerner's.
I have to disagree !! Just like piloting an airplane you can read about it all you want,but at some point you have to take the controls and fly it.At that point you will really find out if you can do it.
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So, there should be no one allowed to talk about what they know from the inside?
I will only respond to this once coach so as not to distract the thread.Because in all honesty its really not that big an issue for me. But rules are rules. right? If they are not going to be enforced then why should anyone follow them. And like Otto mentioned. What you said is more or less the same as what Mensa said. Mensa worded it from a different viewpoint, but it was basically the same thing. I have seen 1 piece of "inside" information on here ever validated. Going back for about the last 3 years onto the old board. And funny thing is, that wasnt from any of the posters you mentioned. It was something said in preseason by a regular poster, and validated a week later. So for the record thats 1 time in the last 3 years and "indside info" that was given was validated by action. I can recall multiple "inside info" sources being completely wrong though in that same time frame. So if anyone wants to adress me please keep it to Pm or such so we can let this thread run its course.
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Dude, this was already discussed in the Refs forum. Read the Rumors thread and on the second page they told how they handle or will handle this. Quit crying over your best friend, Mensa. 
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So hows that little birdy that told you Baxter would never play again? Ok now Im really done, so flame away. quoting ref6 from the rumors thread Quote:
Without a valid source it is a rumor by definition of the rule.
Remember, "Rumors do not lend to valid discussion and will be removed when seen by a moderator."
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