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I honestly don't remember that one. If you do, I suggest you find a life. LOL.
I recall a doctor saying a certain tight end would probably never walk again. Doesn't mean I don't want to hear his take on it at the time. Nothing is certain in the medical field.
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That was one ref's take, on the SECOND PAGE you will see what I was referring to. You obviously just want to throw a little hissy fit. Have fun. 
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were a young team .. that leads to INCONSISTENCY ... so we can take no one for granted ... we also have some talent ... so taking us lightly isnt real smart either .. i just don't think we match up well with the Rats .. but there beatable ... there not as good as folks think they are ... and we have a shot to do it ..
I TRIED TO TELL someone else that thought about young teams being inconsistant..
As far as Bmore goes, I think we matchup better with them than we do Cincy/Pitt..although the Rats have a emotional firey defense..
This game is goingto be intense because of Lewis being in our stable now..
If the line was ever going to block well this needs to be the game to do it.
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Well, I don't disagree that at "some point" you do. I guess the question is when that point is. You have to learn where all the controls are and what they do before you jump into the cockpit, remember that. That's why your flight lessons include classroom time and not just throwing you in there and saying "take off" 
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One final response from me as well. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Not being smart, but there have been two times off the top of my head that I can refer to and others can verify with you on PM if necessary. The first was when receivers were running the wrong routes last year. Vers and I both mentioned this was going on and was crucified for it on here by some because they said we had no real inside info. Later that month, it came out in the media verifying the very thing we said. Another is when I was talking about the some on the team being unhappy with KW2's attitude and actions last year. I mentioned that KW2 was focused on receptions and making the Pro Bowl and the feeling of some of the team was he should worry about being a complete player and his blocking. This was confirmed by Danielle that some of the players were in fact feeling that way (neither of us named names, but she did confirm there were rumblings from the team). Again, just because you didn't read it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Actually, there is a substitute for in game experience....it's called preparation. Also, just because the public thinks RAC's job is slipping away, I am pretty sure that the FO and RAC are in agreement on bringing BQ along slowly and has bought RAC some time with the people who's opinion matters....Savage's and Lerner's.
I have to disagree !! Just like piloting an airplane you can read about it all you want,but at some point you have to take the controls and fly it.At that point you will really find out if you can do it.
Dude...give it up.
As tempting as it is to put Quinn in (and I have a feeling it will get more tempting before long) he's still gotta be prepped up.
I would like to see him get a few series a game before finally taking over, though. Get his feet wet, feel the excitement from the home crowd, etc. Then he can go back and prepare for his first start.
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OH No,, Not that
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Actually, there is a substitute for in game experience....it's called preparation. Also, just because the public thinks RAC's job is slipping away, I am pretty sure that the FO and RAC are in agreement on bringing BQ along slowly and has bought RAC some time with the people who's opinion matters....Savage's and Lerner's.
I have to disagree !! Just like piloting an airplane you can read about it all you want,but at some point you have to take the controls and fly it.At that point you will really find out if you can do it.
Dude...give it up.
As tempting as it is to put Quinn in (and I have a feeling it will get more tempting before long) he's still gotta be prepped up.
I would like to see him get a few series a game before finally taking over, though. Get his feet wet, feel the excitement from the home crowd, etc. Then he can go back and prepare for his first start.
He's been playing football his whole life !!! DUDE
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Actually, there is a substitute for in game experience....it's called preparation. Also, just because the public thinks RAC's job is slipping away, I am pretty sure that the FO and RAC are in agreement on bringing BQ along slowly and has bought RAC some time with the people who's opinion matters....Savage's and Lerner's.
I have to disagree !! Just like piloting an airplane you can read about it all you want,but at some point you have to take the controls and fly it.At that point you will really find out if you can do it.
Dude...give it up.
As tempting as it is to put Quinn in (and I have a feeling it will get more tempting before long) he's still gotta be prepped up.
I would like to see him get a few series a game before finally taking over, though. Get his feet wet, feel the excitement from the home crowd, etc. Then he can go back and prepare for his first start.
He's been playing football his whole life !!! DUDE
Not in the NFL.
I'm probably one of the most vocal Quinn supporters here and I know that. It's common sense.
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I have to disagree !! Just like piloting an airplane you can read about it all you want,but at some point you have to take the controls and fly it.At that point you will really find out if you can do it.
Dude...give it up.
As tempting as it is to put Quinn in (and I have a feeling it will get more tempting before long) he's still gotta be prepped up.
I would like to see him get a few series a game before finally taking over, though. Get his feet wet, feel the excitement from the home crowd, etc. Then he can go back and prepare for his first start.
He's been playing football his whole life !!! DUDE
Not in the NFL.
I'm probably one of the most vocal Quinn supporters here and I know that. It's common sense.
Actually its not so much common as it is the correct move.
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... I don't agree .. IF BQ was ready to start this week ... IMO he still shouldn't start ... NEXT WEEK EITHER .... why would I send him to the wolves when we have some lambs coming up shorty????? why would i do that to my FUTURE????
why would i not break him in SLOWLY and wait for the LAMBS to be abundant and on the horizon???
only reason I can think of is because U believe we would win with him and have a shot at the playoffs .. well I am the biggest BQ pimp around and am telling u that there is NO WAY IN HELL HES LEADING US TO THE PLAYOFFS .... NONE ... Montana, Marino, manning none of them couldlead this team to the playoffs .. its not ready ... YET ....
the PLAN no matter how revolting it is to most should be to get BQ PREPARED for next year ... thats when IMO we will have a shot at squeezing into the playoffs that have NOTHING TO DO WITH QB PLAY ...
I agree with you 100%. Have from day one with this.
So I guess you better pray to that Football God of the Golden Dome that DA stays healthy. Because for the "best thing to happen" we've been riding a huge gamble since week 2.
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You want his first games against the Pats and Baltiwhore defense?
I'd rather he sit for a few more weeks and come in after the bye...
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What all you Mensa haters seem to be conveniently forgetting is that a rumor is a rumor. It doesn't matter who is telling it. What coachb and Mensa said are virtually the same thing. And neither's version can be proved. Therefore by the rules neither should be allowed to post said rumor. It's really that simple. You guys are just giving Rage a hard time because he's defending Mensa and he agreed with me. Now, since most of us are adults I assume we're smart enough to be able to decide for ourselves what sounds plausible and what sounds like crap. Therefore, I don't mind reading the alledged inside info at all. In fact I think it would be a reasonable idea to have a "Rumors/Insider" Forum all by itself. Afterall, this isn't the Browns board it's ours. I don't honestly expect this idea to be adopted or even to be seriously considered. But I thought I'd throw it out there just to put in my 2 cents worth. Carry on with the vital discussion of whether our first round draft pick at QB can make our 1-2 team better........(question: How could he make it worse? ) 
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You want his first games against the Pats and Baltiwhore defense?
I'd rather he sit for a few more weeks and come in after the bye...
Naw hell I've gotten so used to losing why the hell would anyone want to change the trend this season.
In fact if we really want Quinn to sit out all the really tuff games he should probably not start untill we have a real team, oh say maybe 2009. By then he won't have to do anything just look pretty.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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You want his first games against the Pats and Baltiwhore defense?
I'd rather he sit for a few more weeks and come in after the bye...
Naw hell I've gotten so used to losing why the hell would anyone want to change the trend this season.
In fact if we really want Quinn to sit out all the really tuff games he should probably not start untill we have a real team, oh say maybe 2009. By then he won't have to do anything just look pretty.
Now you're getting the idea. Took you long enough to catch on.... 
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hey, man....
...looking at all your "quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes" is making me feel like i'm on an acid trip...
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WHEW...I thought I was the only one who seen it!
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...looking at all your "quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes" is making me feel like i'm on an acid trip...
LOL,,, Thought it looked a little odd myself,,
Fin,, can you please just pick one thing to quote, Your begining to scare the natives
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Let's say Crennell puts Quinn in the next game or two.
And let's say, he plays well, but doesn't win a game the rest of the year...
but you are confident of his ability and passion to win....
Would you support him?
The team?
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would you be confident of his ability to win?
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Let's say Crennell puts Quinn in the next game or two.
And let's say, he plays well, but doesn't win a game the rest of the year...
but you are confident of his ability and passion to win....
Would you support him?
The team?
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would you be confident of his ability to win?
Hindsight is easy...
I'll just use the same BS excuse that has become a theme around here, it has to be a lack of talent around him.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I'll just use the same BS excuse that has become a theme around here, it has to be a lack of talent around him.
What's funny is that you don't realized that for most of the last 7 years,, it's not been an excuse, it's been real!
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Looks like Quinn will be sitting longer than the past the bye week?
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Could be. If we go to the bye 3-3 and tied or 1 out... it's hard to switch QBs if you are actually still in the playoff picture and not look like you are throwing in the towel...
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It might look like that, but you know DA,, His next game may well be his undoing.. Especially against our next opponent!.. Yikes
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It might look like that, but you know DA,, His next game may well be his undoing.. Especially against our next opponent!.. Yikes
or DA may play decent. You can't bench someone based on one game, against the current best team in football, anyone, even Peyton Manning can look bad against the Patriots.
An interesting thought... How many times have sixth round QBs faced each other in an NFL game? We know that first second and third round QBs do it all the time, but 2 sixth round starters in the same game...
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Pittsburgh ain't a bad team either but we sure benched and traded a QB that looked horrible.....
And I don't know if I've ever seen a game with two 6th rounders going at each other.... Could be very very interesting.
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The Raiders game is over. We had a chance to win, and someone missed their blocking assignments. This past week, however, showed that the Raiders are not as bad as people thought they were.... Could it be that we underestimated an opponent?  A team coming off a 4 - 12 season has no business underestimating anyone. We do know one thing, no one on the Browns will underestimate New England this week.
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It might look like that, but you know DA,, His next game may well be his undoing.. Especially against our next opponent!.. Yikes
Anderson can drive the car, but don't look for him to do anything when the opposing teams KNOW he has to throw the ball to win a game (and don't give me the Bengals! They aren't a real team LOL!).
Look, Anderson is doing a stellar job, considering what he brings to the table. But even though he's a feel good story right now, Quinn can make all the throws that he's making, can get rid of the ball about as quickly as he can, and actually has the mind to know when to throw it and when to not.
Simply put, he's not Chuck Frye.
Anderson is one bad game away from being the bye-week backup, and with his track record, he's going to falter here very quickly. He simply isn't that good.
Quinn still should become our starter after the bye. I can't imagine a situation where Anderson plays really well every game until then. He'd keep the job if that happened, but he's too hot/cold/limited to hold the job.
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Yeah he can drive but he crosss the median too much ..
He gets too anxious and tries to force a pass in at the wrong time..this is what good teams like NE will bait him into doing..
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Pittsburgh ain't a bad team either but we sure benched and traded a QB that looked horrible.....
You have to look at the total volume of work, as well as work in Chud's offense. If we were still playing Mo's scheme, Frye might have stayed on as the starter, and Anderson would have been traded before the season even started. Maybe it was the Pittsburgh game that finally showed Romeo that Frye, and Chud's offense were not a good fit.
I think Anderson has made some downfield plays that Frye could only have dreamed of.... (JMO)
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Between you and I, Frye doesn't fit any NFL offense, not with that arm and lack of accuracy.
You have to be a very special QB to survive in this league with a mediocre-to-bad arm. Frye doesn't have enough between the ears to be that special.
In short, I think it's an excuse to say that his skillset isn't a good fit for Chud's offense. If you're an NFL QB, you can make all the throws. The difference between a guy with a big arm and a not-so big arm is that the weaker guy has to be very accurate, very smart, and have great anticipation. When it comes to passing, Frye had none of those.
That's why a stiff like Anderson beat him out of a job, why Quinn was drafted, and why Savage has to be held accountable for selecting him in the first place.
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What bothers me, is not the fact that Opie drafted Frye, but that Romeo needed the Pittsburgh game to determine that Frye was not the QB we needed in Cleveland. Supposedly, all the coaching staff, minus Romeo, wanted DA to start, and it took the Pittsburgh game for Romeo to see the light.
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Between you and I, Frye doesn't fit any NFL offense, not with that arm and lack of accuracy.
You have to be a very special QB to survive in this league with a mediocre-to-bad arm. Frye doesn't have enough between the ears to be that special.
In short, I think it's an excuse to say that his skillset isn't a good fit for Chud's offense. If you're an NFL QB, you can make all the throws. The difference between a guy with a big arm and a not-so big arm is that the weaker guy has to be very accurate, very smart, and have great anticipation. When it comes to passing, Frye had none of those.
That's why a stiff like Anderson beat him out of a job, why Quinn was drafted, and why Savage has to be held accountable for selecting him in the first place.
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OT, nice way to rewrite history. Frye wasn't beaten out by some "stiff", he was the only QB that could get anything in return for a trade. Add to that the fact Mike Holmgren things that Frye's skill set is a good fit for his system. I'd say he knows a bit more about developing a QB than either of us.
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Between you and I, Frye doesn't fit any NFL offense, not with that arm and lack of accuracy.
I haven't quite come to that conclusion yet, but I have a feeling that the next time we see Frye in a game may well be the last time... Just a thought.
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Look, Anderson is doing a stellar job, considering what he brings to the table. But even though he's a feel good story right now, Quinn can make all the throws that he's making, can get rid of the ball about as quickly as he can, and actually has the mind to know when to throw it and when to not.
Our QBs used to get a pass for throwing into triple coverage because we were often behind and trying to come back and they "needed to make plays"... well what we've seen from DA is that even when we are ahead, he still does it.... As the broadcasters pointed out, when DA throws into triple coverage (or quad coverage) there is usually an underneath guy that is open... DA either doesn't want to dump it off or he knows he can't because his accuracy under 10 yards is worse than his accuracy over 40 yards.. which is odd... but that's the way he is.. He is yet to put it where Vickers can catch it on a simple dump off into the flats, it's always behind him or over his head....
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If DA takes about 3 of the 6 gimmes that he absolutely blew...we aren't talking about the Defense in that game nor the blocked FG.
If we really want to be a contender...we cannot have a QB who makes the kind of decisions that DA makes...and under very little pressure no less.
We are investing time and W/L on a guy who is a temporary "fix"...and an amazingly inconsistent one at that.
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