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Haven't you driven by Berea?! All Those winners swarming the doors to coach the Browns!

If that's the case, it was a fail from the start.

If the goal was to not hire him, then yes, that is a fail. If we interviewed him and determined that we didn't want him, then no that is not a fail. That is just going through the process.

I would consider it a minor fail if we wanted him and then didn't get him. It's hard to call something a fail if the person just didn't choose you.

That's true. If given the choices available, Cleveland would not have been my first choice.

But if Haslam decided not to hire McCarthy, it appears he's more concerned with being dazzled in the interview process than hiring a proven winner. Yes, I would call that too a fail.

Sounds like Rhule to NYG to me

I just think it's crazy that most of these guys have the same agency. That's some crazy good leverage.

Or McCarthy wasn't the right hire. Given his history I would not bet on Jimmy Haslam making the correct choice.

I agree .. that’s the way to do it

He probably wasn't the right choice for Haslam. He's won too many games and has a SB ring not to mention all the playoff wins and appearances. Haslam wouldn't want that guy because he probably didn't say all the right things.

McCarthy was/is definitely saying all the right things in the press. Also, shouldn't it be the goal of an interview to say all the right things? If McCarthy didn't say all the right things in the interview isn't that a bad thing? Resume should be considered but if teams are hiring off resume alone then there would never be any first time head coaches and Brian Billick would getting interviewed for every job.

Doing the right things is more important than the ability of being able to dazzle in an interview. It's funny, over the past 20 years the Cowboys have been far more successful than the Browns. Yet Sashi was great and McCarthy was right for the Cowboys but wrong for us. Success means nothing if you don't dazzle Haslam in the interview.

Only in Cleveland can people make up that kind of BS.

Exactly. McDaniels was a proven head coach with a SB ring and more than likely would have been fine having Wolf as the GM. No way the Browns wanted him. He knew what he was doing. That's why they had to get rid of Dorsey. Once they figured out he knew how to draft and bring in real talent he HAD to GO!

Haslam will hire a head coach that has never done it before. Then let that inexperienced coach hire his own GM. It will be a dumpster fire.

Mike McCarthy was just fired a year ago for, allegedly, not doing the right things (by a highly competent organization).

It is definitely possible that McCarthy was right for the Cowboys but not right for the Browns.

Haslam is a bad owner. He will probably get this wrong. We all have a sickness.

Rodgers pulled the plug on McCarthy. The team had to go with Rodgers or McCarthy. They chose to side with the disgruntled golden boy.

As a result the golden boys stats weren't any better this season.

The team also went 6-10 with Aaron Rodgers at QB. That might be a fireable offense by itself.

If you are running an offense that your QB thinks is bad and doesn't suit him that is a bad thing, right? Isn't that what we just complained about all season with Freddie Kitchens?

yea but the teams record was.

I would have no problem with Brian Billick becoming the next HC of the Browns. At least he knows how to BE a HC and has a SB ring to prove it. I don't WANT yet another first-time head coach. We have been down that road too many times. I want a coach that has actually been there before! McCarthy was perfect and that's why we didn't hire him. We could have kept the front office mostly intact with Wolf as GM. Nope, couldn't have that. We need to find the least experienced HC and then let him hire his own yes man GM. That always works out so well. *snicker* As long as Haslam owns the Browns they will always be the leagues dumpster fire franchise.

You mean the same offense that same QB won many many games in and won a SB in? The WCO that has dominated the league for 40 years or so? That offense? How can you even compare that with what Kitchens ran this year? McCarthy's offense had a winning record over time. They always scored a lot. Their problem was always on the D side.

You realize we cant force him to work here right? You act like the Browns didn't have a conversation with him, or offered him the job. We don't know. He very well could have grown up to be a Cowboys fan and took his dream position. We don't know. Sheesh.

I don't know why I bother but:



I literally thought of you when I typed that named. Good to see we are on the same wavelength.



I just want the coach that is best for the job.



Hue Jackson is available!



So you're saying the team is intentionally not hiring people because they are too good for the job. Interesting strategy. I wouldn't put it past Jimmy Haslam though.







I didn't know you applied for the job?!?!?!



Again, current coaches in the NFL hired before the GM was hired:

Pete Carroll
Sean McDermott
Andy Reid
Jon Gruden
Kyle Shanahan (Lynch was technically hired first but Shanahan picked him)
Ron Rivera



You're right. But here we are.

My only point was that not catering your offense to what your QB thinks he is good at might be a bad thing.

McCarthy was also interviewed by Carolina (twice) and NYG and neither of those franchises offered him the HC job either.

It wasn't until he and Jerry had a pajama party that he was offered a job.

McCarthy was the perceived safe hire after the scars left by Freddie Kitchens.

From the B/R Magazine article...

Many believe Rodgers, the QB with the best career passer rating (103.1) in NFL history, was 100 percent justified in overruling his coach's play calls, and that the Packers would've deteriorated more precipitously if he hadn't put that cape on. The personnel man says the Packers' passing offense was essentially "Get open" and that they basically ran the same routes for seven years straight, to the point where division rivals "constantly" called out plays pre-snap and jumped routes.

No wonder the slant route, once so lethal, went extinct.

Where were the route combinations? The motion? The misdirection? "It's like, 'Dude, you have to adjust! The league changes!'" the personnel man says. "You've got to be humble enough to follow it. If you can't adapt, you die. He definitely didn't adapt. You can't run 90 back-shoulders into coverage. I don't care who you are. Things got so stale."

Rodgers had no choice but to seize control, and each year, he took more.

That ridiculous throw to Jared Cook in the playoffs in 2017? Drawn up in the huddle. Rodgers told an uncovered guard to pull out with him, that he'd bait in a defender and dash left.

Again, from the B/R Magazine article "What Happened in Green Bay"...

"His No. 1 job, and Mike always missed this point, is to manage Aaron," the former teammate says. "That's your driver. That's your engine. Aaron's your engine for the whole team. Whether you want to or don't want to, you have to make sure that guy's happy. At the end of the day—and it doesn't sound like a fun job—if he's happy, you're winning.

thats ridiculous...thats a selfish player and thats not MM job to massage his ridiculous ego, his job is to get team in the best position to win..AR obviously doesn't care much about the team

Reading the entire article, AR definitely comes across as a overly sensitive, pain in the ass, but at the end of the day, the team goes as AR goes.

McCarthy was actually born and raised in Pittsburgh as a Steelers fan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McCarthy_(American_football)#Early_life_and_playing_career

Make of it what you wish.

So. Just asking did not read the thread. Dallas got McCarthy... Did they satisfy the Rooney rule? I am a little bitter that now we are left with a bunch of unproven coordinators again....

Yes they did-- the Cowboys interviewed Marvin Lewis.

Ahah. Thanks.

I always find it funny that when we don’t get a player or coach, it’s the Browns failing. What if, by chance, the Cowboys made him a bigger offer for a longer deal? Or he doesn’t like the climate here? Or he doesn’t like the city as much? Or the fishing is better?

We can never know, but we sure can bitch.

Most definitely. Ouch...

Sometimes it's just that simple.

Problem is that Rodgers was talking about his production and the run game. Rushing attempts actually dropped this year and Rodgers faired no better.

I'm sure everyone realizes this, but I'll say it anyway.

There are a lot of people on this board, and just about as many different opinions. It's easy to lump posts/opinions together and it sounds like everyone is whining about everything.

With all of the great coaching talent brought in over the past 20 yesrs, why would we do that?

The odds greatly favor the blind squirrel at this point ...

Or the homeless guy.......

Look at the upside.

We can finally quit saying things like, they've Browned it up again,

to,

he's just Joshing you.

Hue brings another one down lol