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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Is he weary or wary?

If the former, we can build him a nap room. I completely understand the latter, however, and couldn't really blame him.



I understand, but everything was slick between Jimmy and Berry. I don't think he was fired. Didn't have a role with Dorsey. Haslam wanted to keep him.


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Haslam is the owner. He is the one who hired him.
That's a cop out to fit your agenda. This was widely reported as DEPO's guy. Haslam wanted JM. You dont get to re-write history. This is Depos hire. Plain and simple. Its about time he starts to OWN something of these messes.


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Some positions. Correct. Head coach, general manager, offensive coordinator, quarterback. Chief strategist? No. Baseball and basketball teams have people working remotely constantly, it's not a big deal
Once again, hes not just a numbers guy. He is the leader of the your HC committee. He is the voice in Haslams ear, and the main figure of this football team right now. You can try to bury that FACT all you want - but its still a FACT. This is depo's team now. He got his HC, and he will get his GM. He is providing the candidates that are going to run the FOOTBALL OPERATIONS. making him ….dun dun dun, the person running foorball operations.

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Part of systems thinking, what Paul DePodesta is an expert at
Is he really an expert at it? Because usually experts dont lose their entire career. He has lost his entire career in the NFL. I dont think that permits you to call yourself an expert. Mathematician maybe, expert.....nah.

You see, hes a giant snake oil salesman. He has brought these formulas and such to the forefront, but when the tough gets going, he can just say "hey, its just data, its not a science" even though, its technically supposed to a be science based on a mathematical data lol.

He always has an out. He is never responsible for the bad, just the good. thumbsup

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Emotion is how you get Mike Junkin...
And how do you get Corey Coleman and Deshone Kizer

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I understand your mistrust. The team has been horrible, there is no disputing that. I think you are letting your mistrust cloud your judgment.

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I understand your mistrust. The team has been horrible, there is no disputing that. I think you are letting your mistrust cloud your judgment.
I think you are letting blind trust cloud yours.

Trust is earned. Not given.

Nothing about Depo or Haslam have earned my trust, nor should they have yours.

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He always has an out. He is never responsible for the bad, just the good.


That is how smart people play their cards.

On a serious note, I read somewhere where you are concerned about the coach reporting to Depo. That isn't the case. All Depo does is provide the coach and GM with information that can help them do a better, or at least be more informed . He isn't going to sit there a grade the game plan every Friday afternoon.


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I understand your mistrust. The team has been horrible, there is no disputing that. I think you are letting your mistrust cloud your judgment.
I think you are letting blind trust cloud yours.

Trust is earned. Not given.

Nothing about Depo or Haslam have earned my trust, nor should they have yours.


Read almost all of my posts. Nearly all of them I express some sort of mistrust for Haslam.

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He always has an out. He is never responsible for the bad, just the good.


That is how smart people play their cards.

On a serious note, I read somewhere where you are concerned about the coach reporting to Depo. That isn't the case. All Depo does is provide the coach and GM with information that can help them do a better, or at least be more informed . He isn't going to sit there a grade the game plan every Friday afternoon.
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The thief’s stupid has no floor .... he has earned every insult he takes and has earned zero trust from anyone that’s not a blind follower ...

Not sure what Depo has done to earn your ire .... his role in this process and moving forward is all because of the thief ...

Were going way overboard on analytics but that’s not depo’s fault .... its what he does ... u think he’s gonna scale himself back ... *L* ... the thief thinks analytics is the be all end all ... Depo is a product of the thief being the thief ...




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.. Analytics are " ONE " of the tools available to Teams in our modern World , nothing more or less ... You still have to be able to understand what you are seeing and implement them .. Depo may or may not be good at the football side of them .. If Haslam interjects we are screwed ..lol

.. As always , we will be Witness !

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.. Analytics are " ONE " of the tools available to Teams in our modern World , nothing more or less


That's what a lot of people just don't get.

I work for a software company. I created software that automatically tests the software my company produces. The process runs every time a new build of our software suite completes, and it generates a TON of data. It creates so much data that the QA team started to just ignore all of it because it was just too much to sort through every day.

So, I created another process that chews through all of that data and finds the things that need attention. It marks known issues while bringing new problems to the forefront so that they are readily visible.

THIS is what analytics is.


Also:
Going for it on 3rd down. --- maybe a good idea?
Going for it on 3rd and long -- maybe not so good
Going for it on 3rd and short -- ok, this is better.
Going for it on 3rd and short against a poor run defense -- this is a lot better
Going for it on 3rd and 2 from 22 personnel against a poor run defense that tends to play press man and not blitz in 3rd and > 4 -- now, we're talking!

Getting situational knowledge about yourself and your opponent in real time that can be used to aid, enhance, and empower your decision making.
THAT is analytics.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Like I always say ," Folks this ain't rocket science ! "

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This is the guy I want,only if he brings his ivory handled pistols with him.


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So is it true Berry is not a sure thing now?


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
So is it true Berry is not a sure thing now?
Last reports I saw he was probably going to turn down the job.

Doesn't want to come back to this dysfunction.

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This is the guy I want,only if he brings his ivory handled pistols with him.


We're gonna go through the Ravens...like crap through a goose. We're gonna grab those SOBs by the nose...and we're gonna kick em in the a**!!!!

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
So is it true Berry is not a sure thing now?


When has anything other than a poor product on the field been a sure thing around here?


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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So is it true Berry is not a sure thing now?


When has anything other than a poor product on the field been a sure thing around here?
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Rather have paton over berry every single time


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Moe, Larry and Curly are available.


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We already tried the 3 Stooges route (didn't work)...


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Moe, Larry and Curly are available.



I thought those were the guys in the Friday and Monday meetings?


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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We already tried the 3 Stooges route (didn't work)...



LOL Milk Man, that is the first time I have seen that clip!!
ROFL!!

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#Vikings assistant GM George Paton is, in fact, expected to interview for the vacant #Browns GM job, source said. This is significant, as he hasn’t always interviewed after receiving requests. He’s close with new coach Kevin Stefanski and works alongside GM Rick Spielman in MIN.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1216852686068486146


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This would be excellent news.


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This would be excellent news.



Wow yeah, Wade Phillips has been nothing but excellent everywhere he's been DC.

In fact just did a quick check and teams he's been DC for haven't had a losing record since 1997 when he was with the Bills. (Head Coach is a different story, but not relevant to us)

It may just be coincidence/luck, but that's a heck of a run.

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Berry and Phillips will be good


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Berry and Phillips will be good


We say this every year about all the guys they hire.

This team is a complete and utter joke.

None of these hires change that.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Berry and Phillips will be good


We say this every year about all the guys they hire.

This team is a complete and utter joke.

None of these hires change that.


Just let us be idiots!

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I understand your mistrust. The team has been horrible, there is no disputing that. I think you are letting your mistrust cloud your judgment.
I think you are letting blind trust cloud yours.

Trust is earned. Not given.

Nothing about Depo or Haslam have earned my trust, nor should they have yours.


My thoughts exactly. I have zero trust in those two. They finally DID get it right and hired a real honest to goodness GM that did a pretty good job of bringing us some talent and he's out after TWO years? Brilliant. That was a genius move.

This team has been the worst team in the league since Haslam bought it. So all of a sudden I'm supposed to trust the guy? After firing the best GM we have had since the return? I don't think so. If he wants to get a smidgen of trust he should hire Eliot Wolf as GM giving him full control of the roster and keep as many of our front office people in place as possible. Send Depo packing and let FOOTBALL people run this thing.


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We keep hearing about how Hue and Haley were let go because of infighting and refusing to to work and play well with each other, as well they should have been. Hue would not play the players Dorsey brought in, except for Taylor, but would not even allow Mayfield to work with the starters, which put Hue and Haley at each other's throats. When Dorsey fired Hue, he fired Haley, and cited expectations, and record. Everyone thought that was great .. Dorsey handling infighting. However when the owner handles infighting due to expectations and record .. he is called names and it is said he does not know what he is doing. We have heard nothing from Dorsey saying it was not a mutual parting, or citing what the mutual parting was about. Why don't we all sit back and see how this goes, after all, there is nothing we can do about it anyway.


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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
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Berry and Phillips will be good


We say this every year about all the guys they hire.

This team is a complete and utter joke.

None of these hires change that.



LOL.....


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We keep hearing about how Hue and Haley were let go because of infighting and refusing to to work and play well with each other, as well they should have been. Hue would not play the players Dorsey brought in, except for Taylor, but would not even allow Mayfield to work with the starters, which put Hue and Haley at each other's throats.


Why would Hue have Baker playing with the starters if he's NOT the starting QB?


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Berry and Phillips will be good


We say this every year about all the guys they hire.

This team is a complete and utter joke.

None of these hires change that.



LOL.....


Stop laughing. Phillips could be our next head coach.


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maybe get some work in during the preseason. #1 pick, even as a backup, should at least be able to have a little timing with the starters.


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Makes me wonder how I would need to perform to be kept as a GM. Seems impossible to hang around Berea for long regardless of achievements.


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Berry and Phillips will be good


We say this every year about all the guys they hire.

This team is a complete and utter joke.

None of these hires change that.


ok but how do you feel about Baker? whistle


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I am willing to risk it. Can a young HC get Wade to work in place? I think this could be very, very good news indeed!


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