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I would've thought that the NFL needed a little time to forget this past season before Kitchens would be considered for a job.

Good for him, I guess. I'm glad he's gone, but he seemed like a good guy that was in over his head. Hope he has a short memory and can refocus from this past season.

Kitchens has connections all over the place so it's not a surprise if he gets a job. I would be pretty surprised if he gets a job as a QB coach and especially as a coordinator.

He is a good guy.


Remember this, it isn't Freddies fault he was promoted above his experience level. That is John's fault.

I think Freddie could be a good OC, but not when he is consumed with being the head coach.

I feel bad for the guy...even though Freddie seems pretty frugal and he will have the money to move on. I hope Dorsey didn't ruin his career because the guy has put in a lot of time being a good position coach. He was in the coaching trenches a long time.

The guy gave it his all and wasn't political about things, or self absorbed. He stood there each week answering the questions. He was a genuine guy. It's ironic, he got a great deal and a raw deal all in one.

Gotta keep the STs coach IMO ... the only area that improved

j/c...

Yeah ... So Kevin O'Connell to the Rams. And O'Connell was going to be on Josh McDaniels' staff. Browns still mulling over their HC call.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1215822432776474625

If you don't wear brown and orange you don't matter. . .

Are we still doing that?

Anyway, O'Connell going to the Rams is interesting for multiple reasons:

1. He isn't going to call plays with McVay and probably wasn't going to call plays with McDaniels.
2. O'Connell worked with McVay in Washington for one season in 2016. He played under McDaniels for one season 2008.
3. Given the choice would you choose LA and guaranteed stability with McVay or Cleveland and ??? with McDaniels.
4. This happened pretty soon after McDaniels plane would have landed. O'Connell could have been told to find a different job because McDaniels didn't get/wasn't accepting the job or that McDaniels was going in a different direction.

How do we know O'Connell was McDanial's 1st choice for OC?

We don't know. I was just pointing out some facts and giving some of my opinion.

The #Falcons hired former #Browns DL coach Tosh Lupoi to be their defensive line/run game coordinator. He’s a former Nick Saban assistant.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1216051237596094469

That was another I was hoping to keep.

#49ers Robert Saleh would likely try to lure run game coordinator Mike McDaniel to the #Browns as OC if he got the HC job. He was here as WR coach in 2014 with Kyle Shanahan.

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1216153626835595264

There is an obvious connection with Stefanski.

There are rumors that Steve Wilks will be back. I wouldn't mind it. It's hard to know what was real last year given the situation.

Get Robert Salad Dressing for DC.

That's not things work. Good idea though!

I think Steve Wilks is a good coach. I believe he was dealt a bad hand with the situation he was hired into. After thinking about it more I don't think he should be brought back; last year was such a disaster that I don't think it would be healthy to bring many people back.

Just bring back all the special teams coaches if possible.

They were the lone bright spot in such a horrible season.

It was just a pun.

Taking the Browns DC job would be below a lateral move. It would be an insane move.

He will be a head coach for someone soon.

It was just a pun.

Taking the Browns DC job would be below a lateral move. It would be an insane move.

He will be a head coach for someone soon.

Watch him become another Mike Vrabel while we get a Pat Schurmur loser.

Something tells me that's not going to happen. . .

Hope you are right.

I am definitely right. Take it to the bank.

Shurmer was fired by Haslam, right?

edit: I think Shurmer getting fired kicked off Haslam's first hire

Holmgren.

Just looked it up. Hired by Holmgren and fired by Haslam, Banner, et al.

He better not be calling his own plays.

I thought you said hired, not fired. My bad.

Holmgren had a connection to the Shurmur family which is what some speculated led to his hiring in the first places after very few candidtates were interviewed.

If wilkes comes back, I might be done with this team.

Not sure I want another season of his work. Lot of defense fails in multiple categories. I was hoping for Saleh.

Not trying to start a fight or even criticize anyone , wait for it ,, BUT anyone who thinks Wilks and his scheme is a winner is not seeing what I see with " MY OWN EYES " Killed on the ground with his 4/2 zone .. The middle of the field constantly open. Players totally out of position .. Killed by TE'S. rinse and repeat game after game .. Dang sure more concerned about the DC hire than I am the OC to start the next generation the Browns Browning .

Refusing him would make me feel real good about KS...

I'm going to run now, while people blow a gasket ...

IF he can handle both duties and handle them well I'm not opposed. Some guys are wired that way and some find it's an overload. I just want him to honestly evaluate his performance and adjust if neccessary.

The more detailed and planning oriented a person is, the more likely they are to be successful in handling multiple duties.


The more work and planning that goes into each game plan each week, the more defined and refined things can be on game day. I have nothing to back it up except outward appearances, but I don't think Freddie was the most organized or detail-oriented individual and that would absolutely have held him back in every regard.



Side note on analytics: where do folks think all the great half time adjustments have been coming from? Do you think our coaches just know and see things, or is it more likely that analytics guys are crunching things in real time to see what is working for us and what is killing us? They can get real-time metrics on personnel groups, formations, tendencies, etc.... and a smart, detail-oriented coach that thinks quickly on his feet can make use of this information on-the-fly. A guy that maybe isn't as quick might be able to draft a plan with time to look at things, but struggles to do it in real-time.

J/C

ex-Vikings coach John DeFilippo is available again. Jaguars let him go...he was with us in 2015 I think.

I am not opposed to a HC calling plays, but I don't like it for a first year HC. I would much prefer he let someone else do it year 1, then take it back over after the fact. He needs learn how to be a HC.

Calling plays is not the problem. Not being able to delegate is the problem. If Stefanski can trust others to do their work (something Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens couldn't do) then him calling plays is not a problem. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many coaches call their own plays, many of them in their first year as head coach. It works.