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I don't like Haslam. I never have. I doubt I ever will. The Browns #1 problem has ALWAYS been the Owners.

Nothing is official yet.

We still have a shot at Condeleezza Rice.

I wish he would sell the team to a competent owner

Keep wishing!

I wish there was a way to run the &%$*&^ out of town.

I'm afraid we'll have to wait in line for Condi

Condi,Condi

There resides in some posters minds the assumption that the 3 amigo's cannot co-exist.There is no basis for this as all the players are not even on board yet. All 3 may be 'equals', but overlooked is the fact that each has his separate area of responsibility. (Yes, there will be some overlap). They all have the same common goal...wins on the field. I believe the hiring process is addressing the issue of 'compatibility', that they will have defined roles and can function and co-exist within that structure. I see no reason to date that this setup cannot work. The only question I have, is the issue of the analyst wearing a headset during games. I admit however, not fully understanding how this would work. I am confident that all in the room are intelligent adults....

If what I have read, that all gameplans for opponents each week must be turned into Haslam and he decides if it is allowed to be used or not is true, then we are doomed. Yes he is the owner. No he is not bill belichick. The fact that a nfl coach has to get approval from the owner to use a gamepkan is absolutely ridiculous.

Approval is not part of it .. Friday game plans for Sunday games are not an approval situation, nothing can be changed at that late date. It is more about knowing what is going on.

Yep. This isn't micromanaging.

J/C

36 hours after the hire, and I'm still not surprised that a board which believes "feelings are more important than facts" while leaning red hates the idea of data and accountability.

I don't see anything about data and accountability. Where did you get that from?

We have another first time head coach who was mediocre in his brief time as an OC.

We have an owner who is way too involved.

The way too involved owner has given the "data and accountability" guy unprecedented power.

And oh yeah, you have Haslam's track record.

Yeah people are upset about facts and accountability.
What a joke.

Next season will be another double digit loss season.

People are upset about a reporting chain that seeks to use data to drive football decision making.

Well, since they hired the HC first and now are shopping for a GM that pretty much says the "GM" will be under the HC power-wise. That will be a forced marriage. No GM likes answering to a HC. He may do it to get a job but it's not in the nature of a GM to cede power over the roster to a coach. Especially a rookie HC.

Since everyone loves Depo so much and since he is the one with ultimate power why not make him the GM? Let's see if math beats scouting when building an NFL roster. Might as well, he's in charge anyway.

It's not true. They may have a meeting on Fridays, but they aren't going be changing anything at that point. Possibly scratch a play or two. People around here are bonkers. They take a weekly meeting on Friday to talk about the gameplan into Jimmy deciding the plan isn't good and he makes another.

Geesh

Just step back my friend. Everything you just said is completely twisted.

Probably because those of us who "love DePo so much" don't continue to misrepresent and put forth a bastardized version of what it is his job actually is and has been?

From the beginning his role has alwaysbeen that of the process guy, not the decision guy. If he had ANY decision making power we wouldn't have hired Hue, we wouldn't have had Freddie, we probably wouldn't have had Dorsey either.

Now, with the Stefanski hiring, it's going to be a pretty huge test of what DePo has been doing. But don't make the mistake of thinking that just because Jimmy ok'd his hiring this time around, that it was the sole decision by DePo.

Yes he headed the up the search process... no kidding, he's the process guy.

1. WE know Jimmeh has not learned from his stints here, because the fact is, he hasn't changed anything. In fact, he has tripled down. We don't know if JM has learned from his time in Denver, that is an assumption. However, I would take not knowing Josh over knowing Jimmeh. FYI, Josh wanted to change the structure to what he knows works in NE. Ill take that structure over Jimmeh's structure any day of the week.

Jimmeh inherited over 100 fuel stores - I wouldn't say he took over a small business BTW. Running a gas station doesn't mean you can run an NFL franchise. You can stink (as we have) and still be successful in the NFL monetarily.

How much so? Reports are that Depo (or someone from his department) is going to be on the headset during gameday, having input on play calling. Are you ok with that? Im not. I have no problem with data being introduced and worked into the game plan. I don't want a person in our play callers ear when hes trying to call a game distracting him and making him double think his decision - taking more time to call a play.

Its widely been reported that Haslam wants MORE input than he has had before. He wants to review gameplans on Friday? Other than owning a team, what insight is he going to have? How is that going to help Stefanski, when this numb nut is telling him "yah know kev, I really liked that deep ball to Odell last week, lets run that 5 times this week, ok"

Stefanski - "but we are playing the best secondary in the NFL, I don't think itll be a good idea to test them that often"

Jimmeh - "yeah, but I like deep balls, lets just try that out, ok".

Baker - throws 3 picks.

This is the second time you have stated this. Building a gas station and a winning football team are not in the same. Just because you can win in a business of selling gas and having a clean shower for a trucker - doesn't mean you know or can know how to run a franchise. The guys had going on 10 freaking years, if he hasn't learned yet, hes not gonna learn.

WTH does this have anything to do with Jimmy Haslam or the Browns?

And as soon as we get that first loss, Haslam will want answers in his Monday meeting - who do you think is going to stand up and say "its my fault?" No one. Depo will say "Kevin didn't use the plays we sent to him to use, and the GM didn't draft the right guys", Kevin will say "The plays they told me to use were the wrong ones, and the GM didn't draft the right guys", and the GM will say "well the plays and play calling were bad, and the coach didn't develop the players we drafted."

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Not at all, actually. People are upset, because THERE IS NO REPORTING CHAIN.

Your completely missing the fact that the current structure is setup to pit 3 different people, 3 different job duties, and 3 different heads of departments against eachother.

If Haslam wants to make Depo and the numbers guys #1 on the chain, all the power to him.

If Haslam wants to make KS number 1, or the GM number #1, please do.

having all three fighting to gain traction and support to be the number 1, will not and has not worked.

Has it been announced that everyone is reporting directly to Haslam? And also, the meetings on Friday to discuss game plan I believe supports this. They will know beforehand what the plan is to see who changed and why, and I assume to get any additional info to assist with their analytics planning. It's not to change or alter the gameplan itself.

Yes. He stated he wanted to create a structure where the HC, GM, and the data guys work together in a collaborative effort (meaning no one has more power to begin with) and report to ownership. It is the exact same structure as it was with Farmer/Pettine and Sashi/Hue. Sounds good in theory, but when the blame game starts - all three guys will be pushing to save themselves and it will create friction and a power struggle.

I believe the meetings on Friday are for Haslam to be in the loop. I don't believe they are setup for them to change a game plan before the game. HOWEVER, that's how its supposed to be setup. We all know, that Jimmeh likes control, and we all know that plays will get changed, and we all know that once we start losing - more and more will get changed.

Full of assumptions and posting them as fact again this morning.

BTW - no-where did I remotely suggest that being a business owner in the real world is the same as being an NFL owner. Thanks

Reading through your post, sure, if things happen as you say then I probably wouldn't like it either.

However, I don't believe anyone will be on a headset telling the coaches which play to run. I believe, however, that they will be supplying the coach with in-game information for him to make a better play call. Several teams do this, it's not foreign.

And yes, it won't work if the coach is not accepting to the structure. This is why we hired who we did as HC.

And to the comment someone made about whomever we get as GM, it'll be a forced marriage. No, it won't. This isn't sticking two people together with philosophical differences. EVERYONE will be on the same page, with one goal, and a single "alignment" on how to reach that goal. That is what's happening here.

Nooooo, you were not trying to imply that at allllllll











Jimmy, is that you again?

This

So please - actually post where I said running Flying J was anything like running the Browns. Please.

Actually don't bother because you can't.

I know you're triggered about Stafanski and Haslam and all. I know you are the lead Pitch Fork shaker - standing at the gates of the castle. I know you gone lost your mind. But please try to do a little basic reading comprehension.

What I said - and continued to reinforce -

1. You said McDaniels can learn to be a better HC than he showed in Denver.
2. But you refuse to give Haslam and possibility of learning and improving as an owner after has catastrophic involvement of the Pettine Farmer F.O.
3. Regardless of what you *want* to believe - being able to take a small business and make it into something as big and successful as Flying J takes some intelligence and leadership AND ability to learn from your experiences. Thinking it happens by blind luck is asinine.

This is NOT suggesting that running the Browns is the same as running Flying J. It is not saying he will definitely get it. I'm saying that you and others saying he will never learn is simply hatin'

And continuing to attack what I say and represent it as something it doesn't say - is just a bad look no matter how many you want to throw in there. Open a window, take a breath, stop over reacting.

Here’s my take on things. We’re all literally sitting here throwing s**t at a wall and finding shapes and faces in what splatters. No one actually has an “in” with the Browns. For once, DePo got “his” guy, and Haslam and Co and working to find a GM who KS will be comfortable working with. So if DePo, KS, and the GM all know each other and play well together, what’s so bad about that? It’s better than Hue, Dorsey, and DePo being theee guys on three separate islands.

Let’s see what happens before declaring the sky is falling.

Also, I’m from the Northeast...we dodged a bullet with McD. All signs point to him taking over for BB at some point in the future.

Device, thank you for well thought out post. I appreciate you actually DISCUSSING your thoughts instead of trying to be a … well I wont say don't I get banned. All honestly, thank you for the post.

If I may reply:

They were saying yesterday on a radio station that this was actually happening already with Freddie. Now, we don't know if they are just saying "hey the play you called usually works X% in this situation - or if they are just giving insight like that - but someone will be in the headset as a numbers guy. The thing I don't like, is when you have someone like that in headset telling you numbers, its taking up time. its second guessing yourself and your call. How many times did we see Freddie take forever to call in a play? How many times did we see Baker at the line with little time to run it? Was that because of this? IDK. But its fair to assume it may have played a part.

Absolutely correct they do. Baltimore does it, for one. But Harbaugh isn't calling the plays, Roman is. When the HC is also calling the plays, that's a lot. You are trying to focus on the game, the spots, the players, the play calling, the game flow, etc. Adding someone in your ear is only going to complicate things. Can it be done, absolutely. Can KS do it, we don't know. Hes smart enough from all reports. But that's a lot to ask a Rookie HC, who only has 19 games of play calling experience.

Hue was accepting of the structure, until he wasn't. Pettine was, until he wasn't. Sooner or later, when the losses start, its going to be everyman for themselves. When a question from the boss who likes to fire people gets asked, fingers will be pointed. Its human nature.

So how wasn't Pettine and Farmer not? How was Hue and Sashi not? Do you think they didn't seek input at the time? Everyone using this point is acting like Hue at the time told Jimmy he couldn't work with Sashi, and he hired him anyway. everyone is saying Farmer was floated to Pettine and he declined. Those were not "forced marriages". Everyone can work together until the crap hits the fan.

You know Willitever - you have to be in a really bad place when you start a fight with one poster and then overly praise another post and poster like that. That was a tactic I've only ever seen one other poster do on these boards in Pure Football.

On this topic I think the Hue / Sashi example might be somewhat appropriate - because it was on record in and in media interviews where Hue would say he was all on with analytics etc ... There are however a lot of other issues around that Hue/Sashi paring above and beyond that.

With Pettine and Farmer - it was totally different than what they are doing now. Farmer was already on the staff - he wasn't known as an analytics guy or otherwise. The way the team is seeking a GM that is proactively already on board with the KS / Analytical approach is very different that what happened with Farmer/Pettine... Haslam has been well documented as interfering and being available to anyone and everyone in the organization trying to gather the inside scoop, interfere ... the result was a disaster. This is what I talk about when I suggest Haslam has the ability to be self aware enough to know that if he starts doing the same thing, the results will be the same. I personally think some of the Friday/Monday meetings might be a mechanism to make sure everyone is in the same room at the same time to discuss football and Haslam isn't getting different things discussed in private. But that's just an hope/belief to support the idea that Haslam has indeed learned.

Im glad you don't know the difference between a debate and a fight.

If you think I am fighting now, you really would not last a minute I was actually mad

Well when you take things I say - put them together and say they say something they don't - I call that fighting because it's not a debate. There wasn't anything factual in your take.

But my point remains - friction with one poster then overly praising another post. You and only one other poster.

Thank you for the response.

I don't think the Friday meetings are setup to "approve" the gameplan. I just hope that they don't turn into that. ON the surface, I don't have an INSTANT issue with them, I just don't want them turning into something they are not supposed to be. If we are losing or struggling, I fear that it will. Which will only complicate things.

IF we win, its all mute - they wont have a reason too. Just win baby.

My concerns are if we struggle. If we win no of this matters. If struggle early on and a whole year? its gonna blow up again.

I recall Farmer telling Pettine who to play. That's not being on the same page.

Hue and Sashi come from different philosophical backgrounds.

I think guys like Hue and Dorsey tried to strong arm their philosophies. Pretending to listen to other ideas only to then not use the information to their advantage, and laugh it off as it being unnecessary. They already "knew" how to run things but they were obviously failing.


I get your point however. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Oooo oooo! I know the answer to this one!