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IF he can handle both duties and handle them well I'm not opposed. Some guys are wired that way and some find it's an overload. I just want him to honestly evaluate his performance and adjust if neccessary. I am not opposed to a HC calling plays, but I don't like it for a first year HC. I would much prefer he let someone else do it year 1, then take it back over after the fact. He needs learn how to be a HC. Calling plays is not the problem. Not being able to delegate is the problem. If Stefanski can trust others to do their work (something Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens couldn't do) then him calling plays is not a problem. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many coaches call their own plays, many of them in their first year as head coach. It works. Some coaches call their own plays, most do not. Would the analytics say it better to no 
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ex-Vikings coach John DeFilippo is available again. Jaguars let him go...he was with us in 2015 I think. I wouldn't mind Flip coming back as QB coach. He has done some quality work in that position, including working with Carson Wentz and Nick Foles in Philly in 2017. Getting Flip back would be a great hire. He's overqualified as a QB coach. On the other hand, I always had trouble spelling his name. Would it be weird to work for the guy who was promoted after you were fired midseason? Maybe. Who knows? Ray Horton came back as DC in 2016 after being fired as DC in 2013 here. Coaches know that there are only so many of these positions available, and working with Mayfield has to be a draw/challenge.
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IF he can handle both duties and handle them well I'm not opposed. Some guys are wired that way and some find it's an overload. I just want him to honestly evaluate his performance and adjust if neccessary. I am not opposed to a HC calling plays, but I don't like it for a first year HC. I would much prefer he let someone else do it year 1, then take it back over after the fact. He needs learn how to be a HC. Calling plays is not the problem. Not being able to delegate is the problem. If Stefanski can trust others to do their work (something Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens couldn't do) then him calling plays is not a problem. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many coaches call their own plays, many of them in their first year as head coach. It works. Some coaches call their own plays, most do not. Would the analytics say it better to no Head coaches who call their own plays: Adam Gase Zac Taylor Bill O'Brien Frank Reich Vic Fangio Andy Reid Jon Gruden Mike McCarthy Doug Pederson Matt Nagy Matt LaFleur Mike Zimmer Sean Payton Kliff Kingsbury Sean McVay Kyle Shanahan Define most?
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IF he can handle both duties and handle them well I'm not opposed. Some guys are wired that way and some find it's an overload. I just want him to honestly evaluate his performance and adjust if neccessary. I am not opposed to a HC calling plays, but I don't like it for a first year HC. I would much prefer he let someone else do it year 1, then take it back over after the fact. He needs learn how to be a HC. Calling plays is not the problem. Not being able to delegate is the problem. If Stefanski can trust others to do their work (something Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens couldn't do) then him calling plays is not a problem. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many coaches call their own plays, many of them in their first year as head coach. It works. Some coaches call their own plays, most do not. Would the analytics say it better to no Head coaches who call their own plays: Adam Gase - probably the worst coach in football. Zac Taylor - just won 2 games, and was lost the entire season, until he played a guy that called his own plays. Bill O'Brien - Probably going to get fired after yestedays collapse, if not this will be his last year. Frank Reich - Do you think the colts have a better support system, or the browns? Vic Fangio - That was a great year they had on offense! Andy Reid - one of the best to do so. Exceptions to the rule. Jon Gruden - Mike McCarthy - and he was recently fired, and already having issues in dallas Doug Pederson - hes a good one. Matt Nagy - I think this example helps my case. Matt LaFleur - Having A. Rodgers helps a bit Mike Zimmer - Stefanski called the plays. Sean Payton - Up there with Reid. Kliff Kingsbury - Books still out on this guy. Sean McVay - very up and down this year. Kyle Shanahan - One of the better ones. Define most?
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IF he can handle both duties and handle them well I'm not opposed. Some guys are wired that way and some find it's an overload. I just want him to honestly evaluate his performance and adjust if neccessary. I am not opposed to a HC calling plays, but I don't like it for a first year HC. I would much prefer he let someone else do it year 1, then take it back over after the fact. He needs learn how to be a HC. Calling plays is not the problem. Not being able to delegate is the problem. If Stefanski can trust others to do their work (something Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens couldn't do) then him calling plays is not a problem. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many coaches call their own plays, many of them in their first year as head coach. It works. Some coaches call their own plays, most do not. Would the analytics say it better to no Head coaches who call their own plays: Adam Gase - probably the worst coach in football. Zac Taylor - just won 2 games, and was lost the entire season, until he played a guy that called his own plays. Bill O'Brien - Probably going to get fired after yestedays collapse, if not this will be his last year. Frank Reich - Do you think the colts have a better support system, or the browns? Vic Fangio - That was a great year they had on offense! Andy Reid - one of the best to do so. Exceptions to the rule. Jon Gruden - Mike McCarthy - and he was recently fired, and already having issues in dallas Doug Pederson - hes a good one. Matt Nagy - I think this example helps my case. Matt LaFleur - Having A. Rodgers helps a bit Mike Zimmer - Stefanski called the plays. Sean Payton - Up there with Reid. Kliff Kingsbury - Books still out on this guy. Sean McVay - very up and down this year. Kyle Shanahan - One of the better ones. Define most? You said most don't call their own plays. It's more than half the league. Zimmer calls the defensive plays.
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I don't have a problem with Stefanski calling plays. Just because Freddie couldn't do it doesn't mean this guy can't.
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You said most don't call their own plays. It's more than half the league.
Zimmer calls the defensive plays. You said more than half the league, there are 16. My point is valid, you are not the only one allowed to misspeak. 
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You said most don't call their own plays. It's more than half the league.
Zimmer calls the defensive plays. You said more than half the league, there are 16. My point is valid, you are not the only one allowed to misspeak. 17 including Stefanski.
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You said most don't call their own plays. It's more than half the league.
Zimmer calls the defensive plays. You said more than half the league, there are 16. My point is valid, you are not the only one allowed to misspeak. Once Stefanski is added to the list, most DO call their own plays.
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You said most don't call their own plays. It's more than half the league.
Zimmer calls the defensive plays. You said more than half the league, there are 16. My point is valid, you are not the only one allowed to misspeak. Once Stefanski is added to the list, most DO call their own plays. How many of those calling their plays are going to be still employed by next seasons end? Add Stefanski to that list as well
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I don't have a problem with Stefanski calling plays. Just because Freddie couldn't do it doesn't mean this guy can't. Freddie... and Hue... and Shurmer.... The slew of coaches that have come through have almost always called their own plays and sucked. The one main exception was Pettine w/ Shanny. If Stefanski had his secret formula of offensive scheme and play calling and that landed him the job, that would be one thing... but I'm tired of green head coaches overloading their plates when they come in here. There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder?
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Once Stefanski is added to the list, most DO call their own plays. How many of those calling their plays are going to be still employed by next seasons end? Add Stefanski to that list as well I'm almost betting on it. We can't fire him if we don't hire him first. This is the way.
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ex-Vikings coach John DeFilippo is available again. Jaguars let him go...he was with us in 2015 I think. I wouldn't mind Flip coming back as QB coach. He has done some quality work in that position, including working with Carson Wentz and Nick Foles in Philly in 2017. If he's done such great work,why does he keep getting fired? He has not yet proved that he can succeed as an Offensive Coordinator, but he has proved that he is very good working with QBs.
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ex-Vikings coach John DeFilippo is available again. Jaguars let him go...he was with us in 2015 I think. I wouldn't mind Flip coming back as QB coach. He has done some quality work in that position, including working with Carson Wentz and Nick Foles in Philly in 2017. If he's done such great work,why does he keep getting fired? I'm not sure why he got fired by Doug Marrone. He got fired from Minnesota because Mike Zimmer wanted to run the ball more (so he promoted Stefanski). He got to Minnesota via promotion after working well with Carson Wentz. He got to Philadelphia because we fire everyone. He got to Cleveland because Oakland let him walk after hiring a new head coach. My guess is that he ends up back in Philadelphia as their offensive coordinator.
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future.
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! 
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! How so?
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! Ha! That's pretty funny. ANALYTICS! POW!
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! How so? Literally the definition of analytics is to see patterns and outcomes of the past data to forge an opinion on the future outcome of something. There is a saying from someone smarter than you and I: "It's often said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Very, very, very often said."
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! well, only once you identify the WHY of the failure, because unless the WHY is what is replicated, then the results are not guaranteed to be the same despite the outward symptom being the same/similar.
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! well, only once you identify the WHY of the failure, because unless the WHY is what is replicated, then the results are not guaranteed to be the same despite the outward symptom being the same/similar. You must be really fun to hang with at weddings, you know - taking everything word for word and all and never seeing a ironic joke at its face. . . .
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! well, only once you identify the WHY of the failure, because unless the WHY is what is replicated, then the results are not guaranteed to be the same despite the outward symptom being the same/similar. You must be really fun to hang with at weddings, you know - taking everything word for word and all and never seeing a ironic joke at its face. . . . ::stares stoically:: I'm a lot of fun. ::still staring:: See, I can laugh at myself! ::still staring::
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Didn't you know that a guy that was only an OC for one season, that no other NFL team wanted to interview for the HC position, is of course who fans would claim is ready to not only to be an NFL HC, but also call his own plays?
I mean we have so many scenarios where this has proven to be a successful formula!
I mean he's no Andy Reid or Sean Peyton. And most of those young HC's they put on their list aren't doing so well at it.
So hey, let's do it!
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Literally the definition of analytics is to see patterns and outcomes of the past data to forge an opinion on the future outcome of something. I'd suggest looking at it this way: Analytics isn't a crystal ball into the future, but rather, more of a torch through an otherwise very dark cave that can provide a much better sense of direction and resolve. I'll give you one guess who coined that phrase.  (paraphrased by me slightly)
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Literally the definition of analytics is to see patterns and outcomes of the past data to forge an opinion on the future outcome of something. I'd suggest looking at it this way: Analytics isn't a crystal ball into the future, but rather, more of a torch through an otherwise very dark cave that can provide a much better sense of direction and resolve. I'll give you one guess who coined that phrase. (paraphrased by me slightly) Analytic/more favorable outcome for a future endeavor or choice So what about our PAST outcomes, makes this different as the poster was saying? That's the "joke" I was making about him spitting in depos face.
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Didn't you know that a guy that was only an OC for one season, that no other NFL team wanted to interview for the HC position, is of course who fans would claim is ready to not only to be an NFL HC, but also call his own plays?
I mean we have so many scenarios where this has proven to be a successful formula!
I mean he's no Andy Reid or Sean Peyton. And most of those young HC's they put on their list aren't doing so well at it.
So hey, let's do it! Jesus, Tony. I dont think we have agreed this much the entire time we have known each other - let alone in a single day
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! How so? Literally the definition of analytics is to see patterns and outcomes of the past data to forge an opinion on the future outcome of something. What if the data was corrupted by bad processes?
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. Sure. A guy that has NEVER been a head coach on any level ever SHOULD be both the HC and OC. Let's PILE the jobs on him to the point he CAN'T succeed. He's probably already going to be the defacto GM too. Since he was hired first and the "GM" will be working under him. The more jobs you pile on the guy the better.
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I also heard he is going to be cooking all of the team meals during the season. Have you heard that?
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There's so much crap they already have to deal with, why make it harder? Maybe the people that were hired previously didn't know what they were doing? (This doesn't mean that Stefanski does.) Just because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it won't work in the future. You are literally spitting in depo's face right now, ohhh the irony! How so? Literally the definition of analytics is to see patterns and outcomes of the past data to forge an opinion on the future outcome of something. What if the data was corrupted by bad processes? There is a saying in the data field. Garbage in...Garbage out. Basically if your data is circumspect, your reporting results cannot be accurate. So yes...having corrupt data is a bad thing...That is why you have Data Quality Groups whose sole job is to develop means of keeping the input of data as clean and accurate as possible. Algorithms can be tweaked to ignore abhorrent data, but results are usually better with the larger sample size. What is the contingency plan when the Football guy going on instinct and experience is wrong? And what is experience except just an analog style of analytics? Your brain creates it's own database from which to recall and assimilate and give you a layer of data from which to make decisions from. What if your experiences don't cover an area you need to make a decision in? Wouldn't it be nice to have some information to help you form an opinion...let me repeat that..."HELP you FORM an opinion". Notice I didn't say "MAKE an opinion for you". Anyone who rely's solely on analytics to make decisions is just as big of a fool as the one who ignores it. The best are the ones who can marry the 2 (see Bill Belichick).
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I also heard he is going to be cooking all of the team meals during the season. Have you heard that? Typical Browns... hire a guy to be head chef that has no previous cooking experience. But he'll try to bring his chili recipe here and make it with the leftover burger ingredients we have.
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