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Data will also help with making adjustments, half time and in game. It can also signal what changes the other team has made. That would be under the assumption that we have been totally ignoring the data to this point. Do you actually believe that since DePodesta was hired in Jan. of 2016, Haslam has been paying a guy "not to use" the skill set he hired him for? We do know that Depodesta didn't get the HC he felt was right for the job last year. But I feel it would be a rather far fetched notion to believe that Haslam would keep what many feel is a top analytics guy on the payroll and simply ignore the talent he's being paid for. I think the problem is that he didn't ignore him. There were too many different people coming at Haslam from too many different perspectives. The hope is now that everyone will be on the same page. Haslam will screw it up.
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Data will also help with making adjustments, half time and in game. It can also signal what changes the other team has made. That would be under the assumption that we have been totally ignoring the data to this point. Do you actually believe that since DePodesta was hired in Jan. of 2016, Haslam has been paying a guy "not to use" the skill set he hired him for? We do know that Depodesta didn't get the HC he felt was right for the job last year. But I feel it would be a rather far fetched notion to believe that Haslam would keep what many feel is a top analytics guy on the payroll and simply ignore the talent he's being paid for. I don't believe he's been ignoring it. But I do believe he hasn't been disciplined enough to stay in his lane and has periodically tried to short cut the process. I agree, and not only that, Doofus Dorsey was downright dismissive of Depo's group. One of the first things was commenting about them not getting real players while a few of them were still in the building. A stupid comment by a stupid person. You don't build team that way, but it is now evident he wasn't interested in building team. The idiot hired Freddie. I like Freddie, but he wasn't ready. He was just a hardworking redneck* boy trying to stick in the game he loved. *note...here in the south, redneck doesn't mean what some of you northern folk think it means. It has nothing to do with putting people down. Call it country. Just simple people with strong backbones and small wishbones.
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Precisely. That's exactly why Daryl shouldn't feel the need to speculate in an attempt to make the Browns look foolish. So if I'm reading you right we pretty much agree. Thus far the Browns have managed to look foolish enough on their own. And we also agree that reporters don't need to make gigantic reaches which only adds insult to injury. Just let it play out. Either it succeeds or it fails. Do we really have any other choice? I mean I guess we could simply abandon our fandom but I'm not ready to that..... yet. Yet aren't we using this forum for exactly the way it was intended? By expressing our opinions about the team and the decisions made concerning the team? As for myself I've tried using blind faith to support most of the teams decisions. That hasn't worked out so well for me. I'm at the "show me" stage of my fandom. There's no doubt that Depo's talents have been being used all along. It's not a new concept. The "everyone reports to Halsam" method has been used before. It didn't work out well. So while I do understand those who wish to feel optimistic, I also believe trying to dismiss those who are showing concern to be a little short sighted. There are logical reasons for some of us to be skeptical. In the end, we all want the same thing. Disagreeing about how or when we'll get there, whether we believe or disbelieve this latest retread strategy that we've all seen before will work or not shouldn't be the driving force of division among our fan base.
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I don't believe he's been ignoring it. But I do believe he hasn't been disciplined enough to stay in his lane and has periodically tried to short cut the process. That's a possibility. And yet let's look at the popular myths be they true or otherwise. The first myth is that Depo wasn't in on the 2016 draft because he had only been here since January. That myth we can dispel right now. Imagine that, the “football guy” and the “Moneyball guy,” on the same page. This is what a curious public has kept a skeptical eye on since January. “We are trying to build a great organization over a long period of time,” DePodesta said Thursday night, “and tonight was the perfect example of that. We got a player we really wanted who we think is a great fit for us now, and yet we also have a few more bites at the apple.” https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/04/cleveland-browns-nfl-draft-hue-jackson-paul-depodesta-sachi-brownIt is obvious DePodesta was heavily involved from the beginning. Now let's move to the next popular myth we have seen on the board. That myth is that Dorsey wanted no part of analytics That he dismissed DePodesta entirely. I have no way in knowing the validity of that myth. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's true. Yet if it's true that would mean that Haslam chose to give Dorsey complete authority, pay DePodesta for two seasons while ignoring the very talent he was being paid for in the first place. Now if those two things are true, it seems Haslam loved DePodesta and the skill he brought the first two seasons he was here. Totally ignored DePodesta the follwog two years he was here. And is now backtracking to once again use the skill set DePodesta brings. To me the math doesn't really add up here. If the math above is right, then is there any wonder fans are skeptical?
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You are implying multiple people. Nice try. Really, so know you know I am implying multiple people, when I QUOTED a tweet form a SINGULAR person, and described him as "they". Sorry bud, you are trying to save yourself here. You then said they was plural to refute me, its not. You were wrong twice. Take this L No, it's that you have to go backtracking and are now going this route. So be it. uh huh, im the one backtracking. "they is pural, not singular" post link showing they can be used in the singular "but but but...." pffffttttttt
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Yet aren't we using this forum for exactly the way it was intended? By expressing our opinions about the team and the decisions made concerning the team? No no no, you cant do THAT. you either have to agree with some, or you are a mean bully that doesn't know the proper way of they, them, they're 
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Precisely. That's exactly why Daryl shouldn't feel the need to speculate in an attempt to make the Browns look foolish. So if I'm reading you right we pretty much agree. Thus far the Browns have managed to look foolish enough on their own. And we also agree that reporters don't need to make gigantic reaches which only adds insult to injury. Just let it play out. Either it succeeds or it fails. Do we really have any other choice? I mean I guess we could simply abandon our fandom but I'm not ready to that..... yet. Yet aren't we using this forum for exactly the way it was intended? By expressing our opinions about the team and the decisions made concerning the team? As for myself I've tried using blind faith to support most of the teams decisions. That hasn't worked out so well for me. I'm at the "show me" stage of my fandom. There's no doubt that Depo's talents have been being used all along. It's not a new concept. The "everyone reports to Halsam" method has been used before. It didn't work out well. So while I do understand those who wish to feel optimistic, I also believe trying to dismiss those who are showing concern to be a little short sighted. There are logical reasons for some of us to be skeptical. In the end, we all want the same thing. Disagreeing about how or when we'll get there, whether we believe or disbelieve this latest retread strategy that we've all seen before will work or not shouldn't be the driving force of division among our fan base. Well said, Pitt. I have been trying to have solid back and forth with poster, especially those who are being civil and presenting a different opinion, yet you have a few who just rather be able to point a finger about a typed word, or how the owner made his money. They* think they* are correct, yet I am just voicing an opinion (my opinion) which is neither correct or incorrect yet). What They* don't understand, is that it is impossible at this point for they* or I to be right or wrong at this juncture. 
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that doesn't know the proper way of they, them, they're Which none of that has anything to do with the discussion does it? But that happens a lot on here with some posters. Rather than discuss the meat and potatoes of a post, they try to sidetrack it with something of no real consequence.
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that doesn't know the proper way of they, them, they're Which none of that has anything to do with the discussion does it? But that happens a lot on here with some posters. Rather than discuss the meat and potatoes of a post, they try to sidetrack it with something of no real consequence. There's a reason for that.
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DePo at the podium...
Hopefully people will finally understand his role on this team.
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[quote=Milk Man] Just let it play out. Either it succeeds or it fails. Do we really have any other choice? I mean I guess we could simply abandon our fandom but I'm not ready to that..... yet. Yet aren't we using this forum for exactly the way it was intended? By expressing our opinions about the team and the decisions made concerning the team? I was still speaking in regards to Daryl and it being unnecessary to manufacture drama.
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I don't believe he's been ignoring it. But I do believe he hasn't been disciplined enough to stay in his lane and has periodically tried to short cut the process. That's a possibility. And yet let's look at the popular myths be they true or otherwise. The first myth is that Depo wasn't in on the 2016 draft because he had only been here since January. That myth we can dispel right now. Imagine that, the “football guy” and the “Moneyball guy,” on the same page. This is what a curious public has kept a skeptical eye on since January. “We are trying to build a great organization over a long period of time,” DePodesta said Thursday night, “and tonight was the perfect example of that. We got a player we really wanted who we think is a great fit for us now, and yet we also have a few more bites at the apple.” https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/04/cleveland-browns-nfl-draft-hue-jackson-paul-depodesta-sachi-brownIt is obvious DePodesta was heavily involved from the beginning. Now let's move to the next popular myth we have seen on the board. That myth is that Dorsey wanted no part of analytics That he dismissed DePodesta entirely. I have no way in knowing the validity of that myth. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's true. Yet if it's true that would mean that Haslam chose to give Dorsey complete authority, pay DePodesta for two seasons while ignoring the very talent he was being paid for in the first place. Now if those two things are true, it seems Haslam loved DePodesta and the skill he brought the first two seasons he was here. Totally ignored DePodesta the follwog two years he was here. And is now backtracking to once again use the skill set DePodesta brings. To me the math doesn't really add up here. If the math above is right, then is there any wonder fans are skeptical? I don't think the claim that DePo was heavily involved in the 2016 Draft is sufficiently supported. First, you always have to take the obligatory post Draft "it was a success!" statement with a grain of salt. Second, I'll buy that they went analytics heavy, but with the system in place prior to DePo, not what he's developed over the last few years. IMO that's a reasonable conclusion seeing as 4 months doesn't seem to be a reasonable amount of time to collate all the player data. Unless DePo had been compiling college player data prior to January. Of course I could be wrong about all that. One area I would like to point out that I think very often is forgotten is that DePo's analytics aren't just for player acquisition. Its for top to bottom, bottom to top organizational structure, logistics, and player support (like the sport science, nutrition, etc). So I think it's totally possible that Jimmy has placed more value on his contributions in that area and has underestimated/ignored/poo poo'd his contributions in player acquisition.
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Oh Dear Lord. People believe BS like Twitter and will deny what a direct quote from someone says. It also talks about now that DePo is here they are on the cutting edge.
Never mind. Coming straight from the horses mouth, direct quotes from the source itself no longer hold any merit for some. At that juncture debate is pointless.
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DePo at the podium...
Hopefully people will finally understand his role on this team. And he's been in the building every week! Anecdotal evidence: My lone time in the facility in Berea, I saw DePodesta at his desk in his office. He wears AirPods.
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Why is the podium empty? Was his flight delayed? 
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He's a smart guy, very well spoken. Its dumb we had to wait almost 4 years to hear from him, but oh well.
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DePodesta sounds like a type of birth control. Is that better or worse than a big dumb hick?
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DePodesta sounds like a type of birth control. Is that better or worse than a big dumb hick? I do not know. Is being a type of birth control discrimatory? Other than to sperm?
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DePodesta sounds like a type of birth control. Is that better or worse than a big dumb hick? I do not know. Is being a type of birth control discrimatory? Other than to sperm? lol. You have a one track mind these days.
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Is that better or worse than a big dumb hick?
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Is that better or worse than a big dumb hick? You make it harder to like you every day.
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Shouldn't that be "what analytics are" Plural as in "they"
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Shouldn't that be "what analytics are" Plural as in "they" I believe it's singular because "analytics" is the type of study, it's not saying multiple analytic. Same like you would say "Mathematics is my worst subject in school." not "Mathematics are my hardest subject in school."
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It's called a setup line,doesn't have to be correct.
Think Martin and Lewis.
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OHhhh boy ... funny stuff !! hope everyone takes this lightly... or will they be okay with it..
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OHhhh boy ... funny stuff !! hope everyone takes this lightly... or will they be okay with it.. We'll finds out soon enoughs.
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. whatever. should have used purple.
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