DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Kevin Stefanski named Browns head coach

Bring back Berry? Do you have some inside info nobody else does? I didn't think so.

So you really have nothing to dispute anything I said. And no, Dorsey built a roster from the ashes left upon Sashi's departure. You seem to think blowing up a team is some special skill set.

Considering Sashi now works for the NBA in a position that requires zero from him in talent or the draft says everyone who means anything in the NFL disagrees with you. But keep up the good fight.

Well at least when Memphis buys an NFL team Sashi will be able to get a job in the NFL again.

Over Dorsey...compared to who he drafted with HIS OWN picks, and his overall management the last two years? Um, ya. We had smarter people in place and we digressed in intelligence to Dorsey and Kitchens. Tweetle Dee and Tweetle Dum.

And also yes, the last regime missed on picks as well. Coleman is probably the biggest one.

They've already interviewed him so the interest clearly is there.

That QB room was impressive I have to admit.

It's always fun when MemphisBrownie and PitDawg argue over the same thing they've argued over one hundred times.

Another hire elevated to a position he's never held before? Seems about right. Retread.

Who in this cycle could we have hired that would have excited u?

It is silly arguing over a guy that doesn't even hold a job in the NFL.

One of my resident stalkers. I'm collecting them it seems because people don't like my opinion.

The only coach I really wanted was McCarthy. After that, eh, I didnt really know. But after it became apparent what McDaniels was trying to do, in hindsight I wished we hired him. It would have gone a long way toward removing the root cause...Haslam.

I don't care about your ^above question, What I "do" care about is making the point;

The Browns today, are in no place, that would suggest they'd be better off to trade down and get more picks!

Because they have a lot of proven, experienced players that are far and easily better than college level draft rookies, who in the best cases, need time to learn how to play at an NFL level.

"Now BY THE TIME APRIL GETS HERE", They'll probably have gotten rid of 7 or 8 people, and be in a totally different situation, (normal, all screwed up).

Deshone Kizer in the second round?
Jabrill Peppers in the first round? (awful... until after we made him a SS)
Ogbah in the second? (also not the worst player, but a second...)
Cody Kessler in the third?
Njoku in the first?

I mean.... Garrett was their only good pick in that one draft, and he was #1.

And don't forget... all that trading down was specifically to get the ammo to land a franchise QB... and they gave 3 of those to other teams (Wentz, Mahommes, and Watson). Hilariously (and correct me if I'm wrong) but 2/3 of those franchise QBs were selected with our pick after we traded said pick... to stockpile picks to get a franchise QB.

I'll take a single busted 2nd rounder over the dumpster fires that were the braintrust drafts.

Allow me to douse a little gasoline on this Stefanski thread.

It appears Sashi was offered other jobs in the NFL (he turned them down).

From the Washington Post:

The Browns fired him in December 2017, with his record standing at 1-27. Since then Brown has maintained a low profile, quietly consulting for teams (which ones, he won’t say) and, in his words, “rediscovering my fatherhood.”

Brown turned down offers to work for other teams, he said, before Leonsis contacted him in May on the advice of consultant Mike Forde.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...g-whom-you-ask/


Most importantly, to Swish's earlier question...I'm happy with the Stefanski hire. From the beginning, my top two were he and McDaniels.

Instead of relitigating the tenures of two fired GMs, Stefanski. . .

The stage is set for Berry to hire Sashi as executive to the GM.

Think about that!

Yeah, however the janitor position is quite a demotion.

Considering Haslams record of hires to this point, yeah, he could screw it up that bad.

What is not "ringing about it? Because Romeo failed it means that every aspect of his entire being is bad???? Or is it that he has some qualities of a good HC and some qualities of a bad HC??? I mentioned one of his good qualities. Are you so agenda driven that you can't make that observation?

Welp, so much for the theory he couldn't get a NFL job. Another myth busted. hehe

Kevin Stefanski, ... To work with Baker and try to get the dynamic unpredictability and foundations of the offense to return...

Stefanski might have made a decent choice for an Offensive Coordinator!

But so might have Chud and Shurm, ... neither a good head coach,

So this is the 3rd time They've made this same mistake;

Who is making these decisions?
(if this were Auto Racing, just imagine.)

How do you know?

No one. I wouldn’t had been excited over anybody, except maybe Meyer. But that was a long shot anyway.

I was just wondering because I haven’t seen much enthusiasm over the hire. Maybe that’s a good thing, I dunno....

That's a good point. Farmer's top QB was Bridgewater if I recall.

Funny. I was just thinking that very thing about you.

He's got no epereience, look up his record, you have to put in your time around the league, around football, people don't become president before they hold a semi- professional level politician office,
like senator, or Govenor, or in another way put their time in.

This is like the 3rd time they've put someone that would be akin to getting someone like the Mayor of New Orleans, or the Mayor of Miami, or some other mid-level market,
which had one stint, there, and no other real political career, and decided that that would be the next president,
So, Akin to that. They' are not giving us a qualifie3d Head Coach, and I'm not real happy about it.

Especially since this is the 3rd time they've tried shoveling us this load of bad food.

So, Somebody ask, How is Stefanski qualified.

We know he can get the job; but can he Do the Job!

We will find out.

Hiring him would have done nothing to remove Haslam. Haslam owns the franchise, nothing removes him except $1.8 billion dollars.

"people don't become president before they hold a semi- professional level politician office,"

Well,sometimes they do.

And when one has that type of money involved, they aren't simply going to hand over the operation and not have some input and say. Sorry, just not going to happen.

Hey Rish, I know of some $5000 FF leagues. You buy in, then pay me $100 a game to manage it for you. You will be able to look in each week, but don't bother me, you have no say in what I see fit to do. When we win, I get 15% of the payout.

Sounds like a pretty good deal if you ask me.

I don't remember who, so not directed at you, and because it's been over the past 25-30 years, and: some people may be part of the org. and wish to support the companys lines, but

over the history, it seems, and I can't remember which ones, so it may not have been the same people, but it seems, somewhere along the lines I continually read

Some posts, that have near 100% of the time been ok with every change the team has made, every time, no matter what, no matter how unrealistic;
but most evidently,
I mean it was mostly evident by, whenever a substantial player was cut or let go from the Browns, the instant post that whomever it was, was a has been / never was talent from the beginning, (and they weren't going to get nothing for him anyway, and they weretn't going to be able to re sign the player anyway, and pretty much good riddance, to each one, every one, every time, going back to, even that Running Back who played in 1999,
that's a lot of instances.

All I'm trying to say is at "some point" whether it's 40 players,(80), or 10 coaches or whatever,...(and 10 executive structures)
at some point it's ok to say this looks like a similar bad decision.

Yes and no.

I will take my chance at hitting on the number 1 overall pick then having 10 3rd day picks

He wasn't trying to remove Haslam completely. He was trying to limit Haslam's influence and the number of voices in Haslam's ear.

This is why Matt Rhule didn't interview with the Haslams. This is ultimately why McDaniels didn't get offered the job. Haslam doesn't want to limit his influence.

I didn't know the Washington Wizards had joined the NFL.

It's simply that the point you are trying to make isn't a point at all. We have seen many personality types be winning HC's in the NFL. We've seen fiery coaches be winners. John Madden anyone? Bill Cowher anyone? Cerebral coaches as you mentioned be winning coaches. Tom Landry anyone?

You see, if anyone has an agenda, which I won't resort to the childish accusation you have one, would be to indicate that being a good HC amounts to having a level personality.

There is no "one size fits all" answer to finding a HC. Were that true finding a good one shouldn't be so difficult, but it is.

I think people are undervaluing the time he spent as an assistant to the HC with Brad Childress. He got exposed to the demands of the HC job early on in his "coaching" life.

I also like that his father is in the front office side of a major sport even if basketball. Should give him a lot of insight on working with that side of the building.

Then there is the he played safety in college at an ivy school, so he's the guy who had to make the on-field coverage calls, so he seems to have a pretty good understanding of both sides of the ball since he's coached almost everywhere on offense.

Does that mean he can be a good HC? Not necessarily, but he's about as qualified as someone who has never held the job can be. It looks like he is also willing to learn/adapt and has experience making things work with various other coaches around him.

Stalker? I don't think so. People respond to post you make that are questionable and you think that makes them stalkers? Okay, maybe get out more? IDK. Only issues I have had with your opinion that I can remember is pronouncing as fact that Baker is a bust when the book is really wide open on how good he's going to be. And was it you suggesting he had a noodle arm? Or maybe that's Rasta? BVut that'd be another take that was flat wrong.

As for your take that you didn't care much for McDaniels before they DIDN'T hire him .... when he was the favorite to be signed based on every thing in media .... then switching to criticizing them owners for not picking him after the fact? Hmmmm - smacks 100% of haterade. I mean that's the very definition of being a hater. Obviously impossible to prove but surely not liking him before the decision was made ensured that if they HAD taken him, you wouldn't have suddenly re-framed your opinion and you'd have ridiculed the pick.

I would say that personality of a coach doesn't mean nearly as much as the adaptability of the coach.

As you pointed out, coaches come in all shapes and sizes personality wise. Players do even more so.

A great coach can adapt his personality to his players to get the most out of him.

For instance - Bill Belichick. WE see a weird, odd man, that has no personality at all. Yet I have heard time and time again from former players on radio or Tv (most recently Je'Rod Cherry) that he is actually very funny, very communicative to his players, and can be both fiery and level headed, when needed.

We see Jon Gruden yelling and screaming at guys on the sideline every Sunday, but we don't see him sitting down with his QB to go over extra film, lending his knowledge and coaching, being a mentor as well.

I think that every person on earth has good qualities and bad qualities, I think where we have failed in finding qualities in a HC has been partly the above not being one their qualities, and mostly the owner lacking any type of fundamental leadership capabilities needed to run an NFL franchise.

Probably a discussion for another thread - but having more 'lottery picks' statistically increases your chances of picking starting caliber players .... but the bust ratio increases steeply outside of the top 7 or 8 picks (going from memory) ... bust factor also varies wildly by position. . . In your scenario giving up the #1 should yield 14 picks (1-14 in the 3rd round) but in theory you could get 3 first round picks in the early/mid 20's. I think we're past the stage of needing a hat full of picks... we'll see!

j/c... sooooo much #triggered going on in here lately.


To the McDaniels fan-bois: relax, you'll get your turn next year when we try something completely different. In the same way. By changing nothing. Except the coaches. And maybe the uniforms, because Sales!

Agreed. when we had players like Johnny, DeShone, etc. I was all for getting more picks and trading down. At this point, we are too close to pass on a star quality player.