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As long as they Make up and can get along it’s worth a shot after last years clown show ...

My perspective comes from thinking for myself, putting myself in other people's shoes/doing the right thing, and--- on the field-- fielding a tough, well-prepared, professional football team.

It seems like other people get their perspective from biased posters or writers with an agenda.

It's pretty easy to see where the disconnect comes from.

I get my opinion from having played the sport and actually understanding the locker room environment first hand.

So yes, it is easy to see where the disconnect comes from.

Please move this talk to the OBJ thread.

I’d rather talk about O and D coordinators but if u wanna keep digging be my guest ...

I tried to teach u about context and perspective ... please return the favor and teach me how to think for myself instead of just forming my opinions from biased posters or writers with an agenda ... think u can help me out there ... ...

LETS GOOOOOOOOoooooooooo

i think we should keep wilks if possible.

Wilks dealt with the same thing Williams dealt with on defense with non stop injuries, with the additional suspension of Garrett, and still outperformed a Williams led browns defense.

draft a stud LB to go along side Schobert and a couple other depth pieces and we will be fine.

Retaining Wilks wouldn't be the worst coaching decision we've made, but I would still be kinda dissapointed. I think we can do a lot better.

maybe we can, but everytime we think we can do better, it gets worse. it would be nice for one side of the ball to have some consistency for a change.

I wouldn’t mind keeping Wilks either but it seems the ship has sailed on him.

He had WAY MORE talent than GW did ... way more ... and I think GW is WAY WAY WAY OVERRATED ...

Your OK with making Ward and Greedy mostly zone guys and not utilizing there man cover skills? ... I’m not ...

how so? as far as keeping him or his ability to coach?

Keeping him. His buddy Al Holcomb left and there have been whispers that he’s on his way out. The Browns film study guys on Twitter are not Wilks fans at all.

Wilks’ fatal flaw.

What’s there beefs with him? ...

I’m shocked Swish wants to keep him .. he’s usually smarter than that ... ..

did he? Vernon is more talented, but also hurt most of the time. Greedy and Ward missed time. one of his starting LB's in Kirksey missed the season AGAIN. dont get me started on how much more inconsistent the Safeties were compared to last year. we had a severe drop in play when we traded away Peppers.

Mitchell played way better last season than greedy did this year. just like GW, i think Wilks had those two playing like that because the scheme/injuries said we had to.

and even with all that, it was better than last years defense, despite the same issues with arguable the same level of talent. we cant talk about players out of position unless we acknowledge why it happened. GW had that year we went 0-16 where we couldnt even see the safety on the Camera, but that was because our secondary was so trash it had to happen. that was the reasoning whether we agree with it or not, but atleast there was logic to it.

Forcing guys into his system instead of adjusting to the team. Also forcing guys into playing time when they clearly weren’t cutting it (Jermaine Whitehead).

yea he might be gone.

i wouldnt be sad about it, but im just posting from the standpoint that people the defense did perform better, and just because we could find somebody better doesnt mean we will.

His D quit on him at the end of the season. For me, that's the final consideration that swings the scale over to 'fire'.

I’d really love to know what our rush D stats were before MG went down ... like maybe the first 8 games of the year ... we should have been markedly better against the run the first 1/2 of the season with the added talent to the DL ... I know we stunk the last half but not sure if u can really put that on Wills with MG going down and all the other injuries ...

With the additions of Sheldon and Vernon our rush D should have taken a huge leap forward for the first half of the year anyhow ...

just clickin'

What happened with the Wade Phillips talk? 4 or 5 days ago, it sounded like Phillips to Cleveland was a done deal. I haven't heard anything about him since.

My understanding is that it never got off the ground in real life, but was talked about quite a bit on here. I'm not sure they even reached out to Wade.

There hasn’t been any news about our staff since Stefanski started interviewing the guys that were currently on staff. I’d expect news to pick up within the next couple of days (especially if the 49ers are eliminated).

The lastest I've heard/seen is, although not being mentioned as of late, he was still in the picture regarding possible candidates.

FWIW.

Good points ... the talent disparity wasn’t as big as I thought it was ... but it was still a pretty big upgrade ....

How did we improve?

I can’t get past him making our man coverage corners mostly zone guys ... it was the first strike I had against Freddie .... it was my first red flag ... Freddie said he utilized his players strengths ... so I figured we’d play zone a majority of the time ... NOPE ... after that there was a flood of red flags about my boy Freddie .. *L* ...

Ty sir .... I like those guys, there smart .. *L* ..

There was a twitter post by someone saying that one of the reasons he was canned was cause he wanted to play his one gap D and didn’t want to consider something more flexible based off the opponent ...

That tells me he isn’t willing to rely on analytics to help his game plan prep and I don’t see a shot in heck that someone not willing to take a deep dive into analytics gets hired by this group ...

we finished 22nd overall in YPG this season at 361 compared to 30th with 393.

we were 25th in 1st downs/game with 21 compared to 31st with 23.

we were 7th overall in passing yards per game at 216, last year we were 25th in passing per game with 257

we were the 12th LEAST penalized defense this season, last year were the 6th MOST penalized.

now, under GW, we were better on 3rd down and rush defense, but not by much.

so we basically improved slightly under Wilks than we were under GW. the biggest difference was that under GW, we were getting tons of turnovers. but when we didnt get turnovers, we got crushed on defense.

under wilks, we didnt get much turnovers, but we were clearly a better disciplined football team, obviously COMBINING the stats with our good ole eye test.

i mean the penalty difference between wilks and GW shocked me when i looked it up. our offense really wrecked this team with penalties this season. i wonder if we couldve got to 9 wins if we cut those penalties on offense in half.

I hope we move on from Wilks

I don't know how I feel about Wilks. I get we had some injuries and suspensions, but I think we had the talent to do better against the off the street QB's we faced. Especially since Wilks had drawn up some fantastic defensive schemes early on. I wondered where that brilliant scheming went as the season went on?

dunno. we had that stretch of good defense when we won 3 straight, but then after that disastrous 2nd steelers game, the entire team just fell apart.

We got killed on trips plays for like 5 straight games, we couldn't stop it. All he had to do was adjust his CB leverages and positioning.

That should be an in game, 5 min adjustment to correct, it took us 5 weeks.

I think that's Wilk's biggest argument. He built a D around a stout Dline. Once we lost Garrett and Vernon, he couldn't recover because he didn't have anyone that could match the production of the starters and his LB corps was already depleted.

Masking the depleted secondary was one thing, but he built the D around his dline so once that fell apart he was toast.

For me, however, even when the defense was full strength it wasn't as dominant as it should've been.

Myles was the only one consistently productive. I know Vernon was pretty consistent with pressure, but he wasn't contributing those sack numbers that we thought he would if given the chance. If there is THAT much of a drop off, maybe we didn't do so good of a job stacking the D Line like we all thought?

Neither Monken or Wilks were immediately jettisoned with Freddie.

Would it be fair you think to conclude that maybe the powers at be felt they were a lot less responsible for last year than Freddie (and maybe Dorsey)?

I guess that is part of why I'm conflicted about Wilks. If they thought HE was a problem wold they risk Stefanski keeping him on?

The follow up questions have to be,who are the powers that be and are they really qualified to make an informed decision?

It depends on who else is available and where Wilks slots in that group according to the thief, depo and hopefully Kev has some say ....

The DL was suppose to be the strength of the team ... it didn’t turn out that way ... I’m not conflicted at all ... but then again I thought Freddie was ready ... *L* ..

i think thats fair. not saying monken wasnt a problem, but you typically dont get a gig that fast as he did if you got some serious issues. Wilks, we will see. as far as i can tell, nobody has offered wilks a gig yet. so maybe he will end up staying, or have to take a lesser role somewhere else.

hell, the biggest defense for Monken is that he wasnt allowed to call the plays. for all any of us knows, the production on offense could've been completely different had that happened. could've been worse. Georgia doesnt seem to think so....

but we're about to find out soon enough. If Stefanski keeps wilks or lets him walk, then we will atleast know what his opinion on how the defense played, or potentially could've played.

and it could be a situation where stefanski has his guy he wants but maybe is still on one of the 4 teams in the playoffs? like an up and coming assistant.

I guess that depends on which side of the Dawgtalkers tracks you fall on?

Personally, I believe that Jimmy would prefer to be less involved and instead sit back and enjoy the glory, be that owner who hoists the Lombardi like he did something to earn it.

Problem is he kept installing this Thunderdome approach to organizational management.

The team quit. That's on the head coach to the largest degree.

That said, I am not a big Wilkes fan, but it does make sense to keep a few holdovers. He did have to deal with multiple issue that kept players off the field. I'd be ok.

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