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they covered it the same amount of time other networks did.

you rail against the 'liberal' media all the time and claim you dont watch them....so how do you know what they do and dont cover?

main stream media.

and since Fox news is #1 in ratings, that makes them the mainstream of mainstream.

I haven't seen any "gun confiscation" in the bills. If it's in there I would appreciate you showing it to me. that would certainly change my way of thinking on the issue.

I have seen things being said like this....



And that's the NRA saying it. So from everything I've seen, there is no ban on weapons. Just a registry. They're using fear tactics to say that's what it "could lead to".

But as I said, if you have anything to contradict that I would love to hear it.

You must be a Loretta fan...she would never lie ! 🤫

loretta? loretta lynn, the country music singer? what does she have to do with this?

Ty ... thanks Pitt ...

Yea, that’s the one lol...our former Attorney General

The one that coincidentally met slick Willie on the tarmac in AZ

Well first there is Senate Bill 16, proposed by Sen. Richard Saslaw, would have expanded the definition of "assault firearms" under Virginia law, outlawed their possession, and outlawed the the selling or transfer of any firearm magazine with a capacity for more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

They withdrew it today due to pressure.

Next are the red flag laws where they can confiscate your weapons.
SB 240 Firearms; removal from persons posing substantial risk of injury to himself, etc., penalties.


SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:

Firearms; removal from persons posing substantial risk; penalties. Creates a procedure by which any attorney for the Commonwealth or any law-enforcement officer may apply to a general district court, circuit court, or juvenile and domestic relations district court judge or magistrate for an emergency substantial risk order to prohibit a person who poses a substantial risk of injury to himself or others from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm. If an emergency substantial risk order is issued, a judge or magistrate may issue a search warrant to remove firearms from such person.

So on the word of another, you can be declared a threat and your guns taken away.

You really believe it was Colonel Mustard in the Library with the Candlestick don't you?

That’s funny

So there is no confiscation of weapons and you propose we let crazy people commit murder before trying to stop them. You claim trying to prevent that as a red flag.

Got it. Thanks.

BTW- that Senate Bill 16, proposed by Sen. Richard Saslaw would have expanded the what the definition of an assault weapon was and I certainly don't like that. And that bill hadn't even been voted on yet. Also, Democrats unanimously agreed to dismiss it.

Hey 40, the endgame they prefer is...”we will all be substantial risks”

I knew it was a waste of time to provide mr.twister with the facts.

... mr. twister ...

Lol

Since you can't dispute any of it, that's all you have left to say. I don't really blame you. When you're up against the wall, bail.

I can dispute all of what you said but I wasted enough time already.

Every time I play twister now I’m gonna think of Pit ... thanks for that ... *L* ...

You are a thinking man, just read those red flag laws where they can confiscate your guns because you are accused of being a threat, then think ex-wife or bad cop or Democrat coming after you.

...or the neighbor that doesn’t like you or....

Dude, we both know you're too old to be playing Twister.

Yeah, I don't think that's what it says. But keep up the fear tactics. Actually, not even close.

Extreme risk laws create this process by allowing families, household members, or law enforcement officers to petition a court directly for an extreme risk protection order (ERPO) which temporarily restricts a person’s access to guns. This vital tool saves lives by allowing the people who are most likely to notice when a loved one or community member becomes a danger to take concrete steps to disarm them.

That's what it seems to be about.
Afraid of the government in the country they live.
Afraid to go out to public places without a gun in the country they live.
Afraid to be home without a gun in the country they live.
It's quite sad.

That’s exactly what it says my friend...who’s going to be the filter?

You understand now. Not afraid, but my right to protect myself and family

I couldn't even tell you how many request I got to join one of these 2nd amendment groups here in ohio on FB. One of my highschool buddies sent me a request to join the group at least 5 times, then family sent it too me too. They all had fear mongering messages with them.

Virginia gun rights president: 'Governor Northam needs to stop poking the bear'

He's going to call out the State Police and National Guard to quell the rabble rousers before this is over... smh I hope it doesn't get to that point because even the gun nuts deserve their right to protest peacefully. Met with a show of militarized force and things would likely get out of hand fast.

Just the opposite in fact. When they walk around carrying their guns against people not carrying guns, it makes them feel powerful and aggressive. We saw that in Charlottesville.

Meet them with greater firepower than they have and they'll whimper off like cowering dogs.

Bullies love to prey on those they feel are weaker than themselves.

The court. Nobody will be able to walk into a court and just throw around wild accusations with nothing to back it up. Like I said, you have nothing but fear tactics.

Let me ask you, do you prefer a system where nobody does anything until after a crazy person kills 10 or 12 people in a mass shooting better?

3 more linked to neo-Nazi group arrested in Georgia

WASHINGTON (AP) — Three men linked to a violent white supremacist group known as The Base were charged with conspiring to kill members of a militant anti-fascist group, police in Georgia announced Friday, a day after three other members were arrested on federal charges in Maryland and Delaware.

A senior FBI national security official said police and federal agents intentionally moved to arrest the men ahead of Monday’s rally because they believed some of them intended to commit violence there. It was unknown if the men arrested in Georgia planned to attend the rally in Richmond.

The Base, a collective of hardcore neo-Nazis that operate as a paramilitary organization, has proclaimed war against minority communities within the United States and abroad, the FBI has said. Unlike other extremist groups, it’s not focused on promulgating propaganda — instead the group aims to bring together highly skilled members to train them for acts of violence.

There’s an intensified focus on The Base after the three members were arrested Thursday in Maryland and Delaware on federal felony charges. A criminal complaint included details of how some of the men built an assault rifle using parts, purchased thousands of rounds of ammunition and traded vests that could carry body armor.

“A big reason why we disrupted it now was based on the timing of the rally on Monday and the intent of some of the individuals to potentially conduct violent acts down in Richmond,” said Jay Tabb, the executive assistant director for national security at the FBI.

Speaking at a homeland security event in Washington, he said the FBI has “got a fair sense of worry” because agents “can’t account for everybody and everything.”

“We have a degree of interest of some individuals that we know are at least saying that they will be there and we have no way to predict where rhetoric turns to violence,” Tabb said.

Organizers of The Base recruit fellow white supremacists online — particularly seeking out veterans because of their military training — use encrypted chat rooms and train members in military-style camps in the woods, according to experts who track extremist groups.

The group, which has the motto “learn, train, fight,” brings together white supremacists with varying ideologies.

The arrests show an intensified focus on the group from law enforcement officials who are concerned that the supremacists may go beyond plotting to violent acts, a threat made more urgent ahead of a pro-gun rally Monday in Richmond, Va.

The arrests only added to rising fears that Monday’s rally could quickly devolve into violence, with thousands of protesters planning to descend on Virginia’s capital, and become a repeat of the 2017 white nationalist rally when a man drove his car into counter-protesters in Charlottesville, killing Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old paralegal and civil rights activist.

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam signed an executive order banning guns from the state Capitol grounds for Monday’s rally, but pro-gun groups filed an appeal seeking to overturn the ban. The Virginia Supreme Court upheld the ban Friday.

“These extremists are going to try to attach themselves to these events in order to exploit these strong feelings, to try to bring in new recruits,” said Oren Segal, vice president of the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism.

In encrypted chat rooms, members of The Base have discussed committing acts of violence against blacks and Jews, ways to make improvised explosive devices and their desire to create a white “ethno-state,” the FBI has said in court papers.

On Friday, police in Georgia confirmed that the three other men linked to The Base were arrested on charges of conspiracy to commit murder and participating in a criminal street gang. Authorities said the men planned to kill a married couple who were anti-fascist protesters — part of the Antifa movement — and believed killing the couple would send a message to enemies of The Base.

The arrests came after an undercover FBI agent infiltrated the group and participated in shooting drills in the mountains of northern Georgia, according to a police affidavit obtained by the AP. The drills were being done in preparation for what they believe is an impending collapse of the United States and ensuing race war. At the end of the firearms training, the Georgia men wore tactical gear and balaclava hoods that expose only part of the face while posing for photos with the undercover agent and the photos were later used in the group’s propaganda, the affidavit says.

The men were identified as Luke Austin Lane, Michael Helterbrand, and Jacob Kaderli. The three remained in custody and it was not immediately clear whether they had attorneys who could comment on the allegations.

Lane, Kaderli and the undercover agent drove to the couple’s home in Bartow County to scope it out, according to the affidavit. After checking out the property and the surrounding neighborhood, Lane suggested using a sledgehammer as one way of breaching the door, then kill them with revolvers, according to the affidavit. Kaderli suggested they should burn the house down after the killings, it states.

While other extremist groups are focused on getting people together to produce propaganda and make a name for themselves around a specific ideology, The Base is focused on action, the experts say. They are interested in training their members to use firearms and explosives.

“To have that kind of broad tent, that’s incredibly dangerous,” said Joshua Fisher-Birch, a researcher with the Counter Extremism Project, a policy group formed to combat online extremist ideologies.

Members of The Base also believe in an extreme form of survivalism and preparation, offering real-life survivalist training to resist the “extinction” of the Caucasian race, the FBI has said.

“I think what marks The Base as a particular concern is that it is very blatant about its embrace of accelerationist ideas. This concept that societal collapse is not only imminent, but that they have a role to play in furthering it - so that we can have a race war in this country,” Segal said.

“There are many groups active online that have an on-the-ground presence, but it’s the sub-culture that the base is embracing is so vividly militant,” he said. “It’s so blatantly hateful it’s going to attract a certain type of extremist, one who is looking for action.”

A New Jersey man who authorities say was a recruiter for The Base was arrested by the FBI in November after he allegedly used the group to find fellow neo-Nazis to vandalize synagogues in Michigan and Wisconsin. Authorities said the group’s plan to vandalize synagogues with anti-Semitic graffiti and break windows was part of what the group called “Operation Kristallnacht,” a reference to a 1938 incident when Nazis torched synagogues in Germany, vandalized Jewish homes and business and killed close to 100 people.

The man, Richard Tobin, 18, had also discussed carrying out a suicide bombing and said he had saved manuals about how to carry out an attack, filling the back of a truck with barrels packed with explosive materials similar to the Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people in 1995.

Separately on Friday, the Justice Department charged a Wisconsin man who they say was also a member of The Base who spray painted swastikas, the group’s symbol and anti-Semitic words on a synagogue in Racine, Wisconsin in September, at Tobin’s direction. The man, Yousef Barasneh, 22, was arrested on a federal civil rights charge.

Tobin is not specifically named in the charging papers against Barasneh, but the details match those in the criminal complaint that was filed against him in November. Authorities said Tobin and Barasneh were supposed to meet in person at one of the group’s meetups in in Silver Creek, Georgia, from Oct. 30 until Nov. 2. Tobin ultimately didn’t attend.

Prosecutors said recruitment posters for The Base were put up at Marquette University in Milwaukee and the group also held a separate training session for members in Wood County, Wisconsin.

https://apnews.com/be1f537775593d49415a0...a-kwXcapLMMKxfQ

Coming soon we'll have yet another installment of "Trump Voters Gone Wild" coming to a demonstration near you!

Wow, what an American turnout on the streets of Richmond Virginia for the 2nd Amendment! Very impressive!

Hey, if they don't shoot anyone or run over anyone with a car it will be an improvement over last time.

Virginia's Capitol flooded with gun rights activists as Second Amendment rally is underway

RICHMOND, Va. — Massive crowds of Second Amendment supporters carrying firearms and wearing stickers reading “Guns Save Lives” have descended upon Virginia's Capitol in Richmond Monday as a widely publicized gun rights rally is underway.

Thousands of people from across the country are expected to attend the demonstration demanding state Democrats drop a push for comprehensive gun control in the commonwealth. The hundreds already in Richmond were heard in large groups reciting the Second Amendment in unison. A slate of speakers, including Stephen Willeford -- who was hailed as a hero in 2017 after he confronted a shooter at a Texas church -- addressed the crowds.

"If they can come for your guns in Virginia, they can come for them in West Virginia,” demonstrator Annette Parker told Fox News, noting that she drove six hours to get to the event.

Richmond, once the capital of the Confederacy, has been on high alert for days following threats of violence at the rally, including claims of a militia storming the Capitol and protesters weaponizing drones. The security concerns have led to road closures as well as a ban on firearms in the Capitol and on its grounds.

But the president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League – the nonprofit organizer of the rally – tells Fox News that it's not the pro-gun groups that are stoking fear.

"It's the Democrats," Philip Van Cleave said. "It's almost like they want something to happen. It sounds crazy, but they keep doing it and you have to start wondering if that's intentional."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-capitol-gun-rights-rally

Happy MLK Day 40. Perfect way to remember MLK by celebrating guns. Don't bother replying, I don't care what you have to say about this.

300 Million americans and you want to threaten them with 12.7 million with Guns?

These are hunters and what they hunt doesn't shoot back..

That's idiotic

More pictures of people carrying rifles at the #VirginiaRally and more evidence that debunks the narrative that the rally is filled with racists and white supremacists.

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1219311529444761600

Sadly those things happen once in a while.. violence and destruction happens pretty much everywhere Antifa shows up...

The group who was noticeably silent (even supportive) when Antifa, with their faces covered, was breaking windows, burning cars, beating old people, and fighting with cops... they sure seem very vocally concerned about this peaceful protest.