DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Kevin Stefanski named Browns head coach

He has his hands full with this bunch of slugs.

I was not excited about this hire until I read this article. I like offenses that run the football and play action off the run game.



No offense runs more play-action than Stefanski’s.
No passing offense holds onto the ball as long as Stefanski’s.
No offense is under center as often as Stefanski’s.
Other than Kyle Shanahan’s 49ers, no offense runs the ball more often than Stefanski’s.



https://zonecoverage.com/2019/minnesota-...ffensive-coach/

Now if articles can just help us win football games......

we’d have a winning record since 99

None the less, it was a good read that leads to hope we got it right.

Thanks for sharing.

I think having a run 1st mentality is what we need to win. And I'm surprised the Titans don't have the highest run offense.

delete duplicate post please

I haven't watched a game of football since they threw Myles under the bus. I mean I just can't get myself to feel ANYTHING at all about football lately. I am just so sick of bad ownership and an obviously corrupt NFL head office.

New head coach? Eh who cares. He will be gone in 1-3 years anyways.

New GM? Eh who cares. He will be gone in 1-3 years anyways.

Good draft? Bad draft? Eh who cares. Anything good that was built up will be systematically destroyed by whatever this new guy does in his two year run in power as he tries to prove the old guy wrong and that his way is better.

It just never end with the Haslems. I am still convinced they want to kill football in Cleveland so they can move the team with the fans blessing. They have succeeded too. I am willing to bet if the NFL wanted to move the Browns right now that most people wouldn't even care beyond the die hards and the die hards are very hard to find these days. Say hello to your Tennesee Bulldogs. You heard it here first!

I don't want to feel that way and I don't like it but I am just numb to it all anymore.

You're more optimistic than me ....... I say 6-12 months before he's dumping everyone. (especially if we get off to a 2-4 or 2-5 start)

I sadly agree with you Razor. Until they prove in on the field, I have no confidence in anything this organization does.

Sorry to hear that. As I have said to other who fell off the wagon....good knowing you. Have fun doing whatever.

Actually, the time taken to seek the staff and GM and the relative secrecy in which they're doing it all combined with who is coming in and rumored to join has never made me feel better. No guarantees obviously but I see a completely unBrownish effort here...

You're on permanent ignore for a reason. Why don't you have fun bumping up more 20 year old threads. That is about all that you are good for...

If he's on permanent ignore, why are you replying to him? The people I have on ignore are just that: ignored.

2 nfl teams in tennessee? i think not

Ok, Thomas, ya got me. I am not sure what you are talking about?

I thought for sure this would be one of your own posts that you like.

Personally for me, I was/am not upset about the hiring STefanski. I think hes a young smart guy that doenst have much to live up too to be successful so that's on his side as well.

I think for me, the issue is the organizational structure going back to what it was. That's what I dislike. It may work out, and it may work out right away for a year or two because we have a young roster. I don't see it being a long term answer once we have to replace the talent that we have, and one losses start to accumulate. JMO.

For the record, the thread I bumped was maybe 9 days inactive and since has had action.

I, on the other hand, have much more confidence for the long term as opposed to Dorsey & Co. I believe the new FO has a solid plan in place as opposed to operating by 'gut feel'. I like it (of course, I was a Sashi-ite) and have confidence in these guys...

God forbid we end up where the talent KJ brought in at KC Ended up ... that’d be unbearable ...

U have faith in total unknowns as opposed to a guy that did it once in KC and was part of the packers success ...

Makes sense to me ... ...

It's easy to make the argument that Dorsey could/can/and did bring in talent. I think most people would agree with that and for those who disagree, I would only ask them to compare that with what they thought of the roster heading in to Week 1.

But there's a second case you have to make, one which is harder and that is Dorsey being anything more than a good talent evaluator. Ok, he infused 2 franchises with talent, but its also 2 franchises in which he failed to operate a cohesive organizational structure.

Ok, so in KC he was dealing with Andy Reid. Pretty strong personality from what I gather but also someone who's probably earned a degree of deference.

FFWD to Cleveland. Unless you believe that Dorsey expected to dump Hue and insert Haley until he went too, I'm hard pressed to find an example where Dorsey was over ridden. It seemed like he was at the front of the direction we were taking and was able to overcome any opposition. Freddie is not Andy Reid and was endorsed by the Dorse.

If you want a football guy in the GM slot, fine but he's got to be able to handle all facets of it.

I'm sorry bud, but I don't see why anyone should be impressed by a team that had literally every chance to make the playoffs under perform at 6-10.. and look terrible doing it too.

I think Hue came with the job .... he messed up the Freddie hire ... and he deserves to go ... makes sense ... ...

Y’all are way over reacting just like the thief did ... its like none of u have any clue who the most important person on an nfl team is ... the thief clearly knows nothing about owning an nfl team other than how to make enough money to buy one ...

Y’all enjoy ... I’m done with this topic ... c ya ..

John Dorsey lacks the interpersonal skills to be the leader of an organization. He is pretty good (and somewhat overrated) at identifying talent. He will not be missed.

(The most important person on an NFL team is the quarterback.)

Yes, I know Hue came with the job. And I wouldn't be surprised if Hue was on a short leash with Dorsey because he wasn't "his guy".

You keep piping in accusing everyone else of over reacting yet you have yet to put forth an argument as to why Dorsey should have retained his authority to pick a coach.

I'd really be curious to hear one. That's the one area that all us mEnZas appear to not be grasping.

Always willing to help my menZa dawgs out ... not only am i a member but I’m the president of the menZa dawg club ... *L* ...

I checked out but that’s a new question so I’ll answer ...

Why should he have had input on the new coach? ... ummmm ... cause he will be working closely with the new HC and that is the most important relationship in the mgmt. structure of an nfl team IF the owner knows his place ... we don’t have that luxury .... *L* ...

Should he have been the lone decision maker ... no ... i get scaling that back after his hire of Freddie ... but to force him out ... naaa .. the thief’s is an egomaniac with an incredibly short fuse ...

I’m out unless u come back with some more menZaesque questions ...

I see people complaining that the Browns were heavily criticized by the national sports media folks for the way they did the search, the candidate they chose, basically everything...

That's the norm. Everything the Browns do will be criticized until they start to win games. Especially with a media that is thinking "You fooled us last year and sucked us is, that's not going to happen again."

We don't know that's exactly what happened though. Its just what is rumored.

For all we know, they said they were firing Freddie and John refused. Reports were he wanted to give Fred another year. So for all we know, it may not have been the HIRING of Freddie, but his refusal to FIRE Freddie that caused them to take powers away from him.

I am 100% speculating obviously, but its def. a possibility.

I've got so many on ignore, I have to remind myself why.

I peaked at his ridiculous post and had to comment on it. I'm so sorry it is against the rules to do so in your mind...

It's like a train wreck or a car crash. Sometimes you have to look.

I don't think there's anyone here that would disagree with the importance of that relationship (although everyone has their opinion on who's on top).

I think it's wholly possible he was forced out, one of those "we'll make the whole situation unworkable" and all... but before I'm willing to take that position, I need to see more of what authority was being taken from him or that he was forced to share.

For all we know he was going to have to run his picks by the numbers guy and see if they matched up. If they didn't, he'd have to lay out a rationale as to why they should be over ridden. Maybe he simply didn't like not being able to flex his way around?

But if its his ego that prevented him from making reasonable accommodations I can't count that as being forced out. I'm not interested in hurt feelings.

In any event, thank you for the response.

I might be ready for Jeopardy now!

j/c...

From tonight's Cleveland Sports Awards ceremony...

hmmm .. bye bye Beckham

That would be stupid of us.
I don't take Stefanski as being stupid, nor rash.

Lol, my first thought was ‘uh oh, here we go’.

Let's just hope it's K. Stefanski making the decisions. Mr. Haslam has to let the people he hires make these decisions not him.

not saying that Stefanski is .. but do know that OBJ can be volatile

Nope. But you lay out the new structure and tell the guys this is the way it is regardless of who you are, the position you play or popularity and persona. No 5 sets of differing rules for the team.

j/c

The more I see/hear/read about Stefanski. The more I like him. Even though he was not my #1 choice. I had him very high. But as we see more and more of his moves, I have to say that he impresses me. I can't really say the same about Freddie at this time last year.

I really like Freddie the person. He was really good at saying the right things, but we did not see much follow through with his actions(hindsight). People now kid about the "If you are not Orange and Brown...you don't matter" phrase. But we certainly ate it up then. And frankly, I still like the term. While he did say good things...I can't say he impressed me. I was far more on the "wait and see" side of the fence, emotionally, than the "I'm all in" side. You never doubted Freddie's sincerity. Just his ability to enact on that sincerity.

I am still on the "wait and see" side with Stefanski. After 20 years of this, who wouldn't be? But I am certainly A LOT closer to that fence than with any other coach we have brought in. I like his approach to things. I like his process. He exudes a high intelligence and a diligence to a high standard. Time will tell if that rubs off on his team. Time will tell if he can be the enforcer when he needs to be and Inspiration the other times.

I see the "potential" for success. With others, I was there emotionally (I wasn't beaten down as much with those...lol) But my head wasn't really there. Now I feel a little reversed. My head sees that possibility of success...but my heart has taken too many blows and has to catch up. LOL

I like what he is doing with Odell this week. If you listen to him, he isn't doing this heavy handed, hard fisted, gestapo lay down the law routine. Some are calling for that. No, listen to what he says. He says he doesn't even have a relationship with Odell yet. So he isn't coming in like a hardass. Is he going to lay things out to him? I am sure he will. But not before he has a read on Odell and knows the best way to reach him. By no means does this mean he is coddling Odell.

And when you read other articles about him, that is something he seems to be very good at. Evaluating how to get through to different people.

Yeah, I have to say, I am impressed to this point. Let's see if he is better at following through than his predecessor.

The staff he’s assembled to this point is very sound. We seem to be in a more thoughtful, organized direction