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Have you noticed how quickly the story changed around here? just a couple of days ago Payton was a done deal. Posters claimed his second visit set it in stone. One poster even saying he had picked out his Browns gear already. Now, after "he chose" to pull out of the job, everyone and their brother are making excuses why it didn't happen and claiming he was second choice all along.

It's hard to fathom even making this crap up.

I can't speak for anybody else but I never said it was a done deal or set in stone.

Patton: "You really think I want to throw my career away in Cleveland? No! Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahaaaaaa!"

At least we don't have to deal with these jokes for the next 12 months.

This could also have been that Berry was the guy that DePodesta had pegged all along.

When Stefanski was hired he could have lobbied for Paton once he was brought on board. (Remember those reports saying the coach would have a say on the GM?).

I wonder if what Paton wanted to do was dependent on Stefanski's plans for OBJ / Landry / Hunt?

Could be that one person wanted to move OBJ and the other didn't?

Has anyone heard anything about how Stefanski's meeting with OBJ went yesterday? I have literally heard nothing.

I still think it's Berry. Berry also has been here before so he knows about the skeletons in the closet. If you were so disillusioned before then why come back and interview again?

That’s because she’s the outside company mouthpiece, always has been. In every market there’s one beat writer with the biggest paper that gets given the scoops.

Usually the national writers get all the big scoops first. MKC has been beating them to the punch all off-season. That's good on her.

IMO, that person is Terry Pluto. In the old days it was Hal Lebovitz (also JMO).

You sure do know a lot about this situation.

"No doubt Paton was KS's choice."

"Not for family or staying in his current role as assistant. He backed out because he saw how decisions would be made."

Why did Paton back out of previous GM searches? Did Haslam own those teams too?

The language you used made it seem like you were not speculating.



I am not going to pretend to know.

j/c:

I am not making any excuses. At the time it did look like he was the guy. I have a open mind and don't dig in very far very often. Especially on topics where we really don't know a heck of a lot.

We do know that early on it seemed that Berry was the guy. We hired a coach and he wanted the team to talk to Paton. A compelling interview I take, but wanted a 2nd.

As GM said, maybe during the 2nd interview things became clear. We didn't need to interview Berry a 2nd time. He worked here before. Paton got the feeling he was going to be the loser and pulled out.

Things change Pit. It is a fluid situation. As things change, opinions change. It isn't backtracking or making excuses. It is simply going with the flow of information as it comes out.

The opinion one has today isn't the stance they might take tomorrow.

Or maybe that is what it came down to. Some people like the comfort of familiarity. Moving from where you are is a big deal. Lot's to consider when you uproot the family. He is young enough that he probably has school aged children. You know the kids didn't want to leave.

It's not like he could sell the kids on moving to warmer Cleveland from Minnesota like he might if Tampa was in the discussion.

The entire Paton thing really strikes me as a guy that is just completely comfortable with where he is right now and is kinda afraid to step up to something outside of that.

Stuck in the nest, as it were.

Paton is a smart man. Cleveland is where careers come to die. How many GM's have we hired and fired under Haslam? Why in the world would Paton sign on to the good ship Factory of Sadness? If Berry is smart he will RUN not walk away too. DePodesta is running the show. Analytics is king in Berea. Any GM we hire will take a back seat to DePo and his math but then take the fall when things don't work out.

As Phil Savage said, you are part of the "woe is me" crowd.

And what did Savage accomplish here?

Nothing much. Not sure how that relates?

Ya ... history tells us there’s plenty to look forward to with your boy running things ...

Jeeze. Take a step back from the edge man.

This is how agendas begin...

Lots of denial going on around here ... I’ll sum it up this way ,,,

Analytically taking a job as a GM under the thief has been an EXTREMELY DISASTROUS CAREER MOVE ...

This oughta be fun ... watching the sahiettes arguing against analytics ...

Just following this as the job unfolds.

Waiting on the truth when position is filled. Too much noise now.

J/C..

Payton has interviewed with other teams and has always came back to Minnesota.. Seems he is comfortable there. Not sure if there is any other way to look at it.

Dudes very meticulous and cautious and obviously is very comfie in Minni ...

Who knows why he didn’t come here ... with a dude like this it was going to be a tough sell from the start .... very comfie where he is now and he’s not going to ignore our past like many on here want too ... with his good bud here that may have been able to be overcome ... Why it wasn’t .... who knows ...

Prolly a combo of many things ... who knows witch of these factors were involved ..

- maybe the wife and kids love Minni and he doesn’t want to uproot the family ... like a Joe T ..
- along the same vein ... has a very stable working environment and loves the folks he works with and for and sees a team on the brink ...
- he wants to stick around and finish the hob he started ...
- the situation here ... its a fact regardless of the bury your head in the sand club ...

Its a long list of things it could have been .... we may never know ...

I’m not worried about it ... we have no clue how good this dude would have been ... and just cause KS more than likely wanted him due to familiarity doesn’t mean him and Berry can’t along ... we’ll be fine in that regard ...