DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Eli Manning Should Absolutely be a 1st Ballot HoFer

im getting highly annoyed with the talking heads in the sports media world trying to crap on Eli's legacy. yea, his last few years werent the greatest, but oh well.

He got two SB wins BEFORE big brother Peyton did. He is a two time SB MVP, beating the patriots in both of those wins, including the vaunted Brady-Moss offense that was undefeated going into that game. and he went ON THE ROAD IN THE PLAYOFFS to get to the SB.

people bring up how great the defense was, but MOST defenses are elite/great that make it to the SB, yet we dont hold that against most other QB's. tired of people talking about him like he was trent dilfer or brad johnson. the dude absolutely balled out in his prime, and deserves to be a 1st ballot HoFer.

2 SB wins over Brady and BB to me that is a 1st ballot HOF resume ...

Meh.

I look at his career. He was a streaky QB. He could go for stretches looking good. Then he would go through stretches where calling his play average seemed to be a reach.

In both years they won the SB he played well when he needed to. So I guess you could see it either way.

By contrast, his dad, Archie Manning was a great QB on crappy Saints teams. I would say a much better QB than Eli was. He'll never sniff the HOF other than when he visits it.

yea he was streaky, but other great QB's also had bad seasons. i mean Farve had some pretty bad ones, and only has one SB win. but none of us will question his HoF selection.

You can also look at how healthy Eli stayed in his career, as the consistency also matters when it comes to HoF credentials.

i just wonder when Rivers is done, how people will react. Rivers, from the same draft class, doesnt even have a SB appearance.

He was also on some LOADED teams back in the day too. It really is a mystery as to why he never won a ring, let alone played in one.

That's why the entire HOF induction is a joke to a large degree. It often times breaks down to SB rings rather than based on the actual players performance. Not always, but sometimes it's obvious by who gets overlooked.

So if Joe Flacco wins another ring as a starter he's in? Does he have a brother that he has more Super Bowl rings than?

If flacco gets two rings he should be in.

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Eli is a nice player. He is a borderline Hall of Fame candidate because of longevity but his peak is much worse than the best guys of his era. Pro Football Reference has Eli ranked as the 21st best QB of all time by their Hall of Fame monitor, that seems about right.

Eli may or may not belong in the HOF. I didn't really watch him enough to say. I just don't agree with the premise that SB rings / No SB rings should be the the determining factor. Its the ultimate team game; one guy doesn't win a Super Bowl alone.

Exactly.

The only ring that matters is the one your phone makes when they call to say you're in.

I don't really feel he is a HOF QB. My impression of HOF players is that they need to be exceptional at their job. Above all others. The highest tier. Top shelf.

Peyton met that criteria.
Eli, no so much. I feel he was better than average. But not top shelf.

I disagree. If flacco has another great playoff run like he did last time, he’s in.

I feel you are overvaluing the Super Bowl win stat in determining who is a Hall of Famer.

In the end I bet Eli gets in. Having that last name will help him.

Nobody said if you don’t have a ring you shouldn’t get in. But people are disregarding the fact that a ton of other QBs, Eli Manning was able to go all the way, twice. As if somehow him actually winning championships shouldn’t matter.

The reason why I bring up rivers is because he has better regular season numbers than manning, or Atleast finished with better records, but so what?

Last time I checked, it’s about WINNING. It’s the ultimate team game until everybody picks and chooses what individual stats they want to highlight when it comes to getting into the hall.

Rivers arguably had way more loaded rosters than manning, and yet despite not being able to win, something tells me it will be less drama of whether or not he’s a HOF compared to Eli.

I’m valuing the entire playoff body of work, which is then capped off with a SB title.

Eli's regular seasons were so average that his playoff career doesn't lift him up for me. He's borderline. I prefer a QB with a higher peak.

Regular season. That’s fine and all as it should matter. But wins and losses in the playoffs should also matter just as much, if not more.

I like winners. Not regular season james harden heroes.

Wins and losses are a team stat, not an individual stat. Like I said, he's borderline. Basically every QB better than him is/will be in the hall of fame (and a few that were worse).

Among his contemporaries I'm taking him behind his brother, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and even Matt Ryan.

Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. He's not in the HOF.




Going back to my original point, 10 other guys were on the field with Eli when they won those 2 SBs.

And what’s his stats compared to Eli’s?

Eli is a HOF.

http://pfref.com/tiny/US7gk

So his numbers were better, play off stats were better, and Eli beat a legendary patriots team that went into the SB undefeated.

And he defeated them. Twice.

Thanks for posting that.

Take a look at this link too:

https://tinyurl.com/r4taqmo

Barkevious Mingo?

Yea, I called him trash and you pushed back on it.

Remember?

I don't know about first ballot, but he should get in.

j/c...

Eli Manning is slightly above to an above average QB. The NYG defense won the Super Bowl and a freak catch.

He'll get in because his last name is Manning and the voters like SB rings.

(I shouldn't link the Twiiter acct. due to Twitter handle)

Eli Manning:

2004: No playoffs
2005: 1 & done
2006: 1 & done
2007: Fluke SB win
2008: 1 & done
2009: No playoffs
2010: No playoffs
2011: Fluke SB win
2012: No playoffs
2013: No playoffs
2014: No playoffs
2015: No playoffs
2016: 1 & done
2017: No playoffs
2018: No playoffs

And....

Agree .. just said it on the other thread ... if his last name wasn’t Manning he’d have no shot ...

He was 0 - 4 in his other playoff years and had the 2nd most losses in league history .... they scored 17 and 21 in there SB wins ....

2 SB mvp’s is awesome but isn’t enough on its own ... especially when the D gave up 14 and 17 points respectively ... other than that he was very blah ....

Eli and Jay Cutler should get their own best NFL memes section.

So basically you're saying if Tyree drops the pass or Welker catches the pass, Manning wouldn't be a HOFer. So in essence his career comes down to two plays.

I don't think that's the way the HOF is supposed to work.

Couldn't agree more. Eli was a non-stop INT machine for a large part of his career. My three biggest memories of him are a game when his fifth INT was dropped, three of the first four were taken to the house, one other tackled at the 8 yd line. Another stretch culminated on a Monday night game when 6 of 8 passes were INTs (dating to previous game) and three were returned for TDs. I wondered how he was still a starting QB but knew it was because he won a SB. My third memory is of that first SB victory... He tossed two easy INTs on that game-winning drive, both were dropped. Searched for the video but can't find a complete account of the drive, other than this printed version...


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/72160-eli-manning-mvp-or-weak-link


I tend to agree with the author... most wins were in spite of him, not because of him. The Giants won those SBs because of three things, in no particular order, a solid D that always got better and nastier down the stretch, a great offensive line, and Tom Coughlin, period.

If beating Brady will punch your ballot for the HOF, I guess all that really does is shows you just how GOAT the GOAT really is.

I agree, he’s a HOF. That’s not saying he’s like top 20 of all time or whatever, but he’s a no doubt HOF

From Dr. Barry on Twitter....

Eli Manning's "Game Winning Drives" in his 2 NFC Championship Games:

Bradshaw 4 yard run
Bradshaw 1 yard run
Eli incomplete pass
Tynes 47 yard FG

Bradshaw 8 yard run
Bradshaw 6 yard run
Bradshaw 4 yard run
Eli kneels for -2 yards
Tynes 31 yard FG

Wow. Amazing. #HOF

He'll get in just because the of the number of passing yards and TDs he has for his career, he ranks 7th all time for both. I think people forget though that back in 1978 when the NFL switched to a 16 game schedule and even through the 80's if a QB passed for 3,000 yards in a season that was considered really good now the league average is over 3,750 yards a season, the game has changed drastically. To me Eli was an above average QB but I wouldn't call him elite and I consider him borderline HOF material in my opinion.

I don't really see Eli as a hall of famer. He just lacks that sustained excellence. I'm not even sure he was ever even a top 10 QB in this league. If he was then it wasn't for long.

He did play great down the stretch in those two Super Bowl runs though.

Namath and Griese - sustained excellence?