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p.s. For what it is worth, this appears to be a VERY good Free Agency period to go after RT's, DE's, and DT's.


Some names I'd throw money at:

Jadaveon Clowney, DE
Arik Armstead, DE
Jordan Philips, DT
Vernon Butler, DT
Jack Conklin, RT
Shaquil Barrett, OLB
C.J. Ham, FB

I think we'll find the problem will be some of these guys will be signed before they ever hit the market.

Arik Armstead.

oh, no doubt, but as of right now they are all set to be UFAs.

Some will get resigned, but some will likely at least be curious about testing free agency to see what they can get.

I think that there will be a real shot at either Clowney or Armstead; maybe both. Philips, too, although the Bills have plenty of cap space to resign him. The 49ers are in a bit of a tight spot with the cap, which makes a guy like Armstead a very real possibility.

I do not think it is an overstatement to say that he is half the reason that their defense is as effective as it is. It's like a force multiplier... when you have Dee Ford and Nick Bosa for the other side of that line, a guy like that makes everything flow better.


I'll say it: WGGTG

With Depo having more control of the reins, I don't really expect any high end FA signings. Maybe something mid-tier to fill a hole, but many high priced FA deals tend to end badly. I don't think setting the market fits into the analytical approach to roster construction.

I think when this round of DE deals go around, Vernon's contract might not seem as bad a deal as some are making it out.

I'm not exactly feeling the warm and fuzzies about having someone involved with drafting tackles in Minnesota coming here after watching that.

Armstead being a possibility is something I would be very interested in exploring. I just try and keep a couple of things in mind. For one I've seen teams get very creative when I've thought they had cap issues and secondly the cap will be going up for the 2020 season which will give them more ammunition.

I'm down with C.J. Ham. The others will probably be too expensive for what we are looking for.

I'd throw Brandon Scherff into the mix.

He'd be a great signing. If the Vikings can't work out a long term deal with him, I'll be curious what they tender him at.

I wonder how the contract Jurko signed with the Niners will affect his new contract especially since Jurkos a pretty big part of that O ...

If dudes any good with Kubiak there he ain’t going no where either ....

A lot depends on who they hire as their offensive coordinator.

j/c:

The longer this drags out the more I believe/hope it with be McDaniel with SF.

I'm not surprised at this reaction.

It is what it is.

I would take a long hard look at these 3 ...


Arik Armstead, DE
Jack Conklin, RT
Shaquil Barrett, OLB

I doubt their current teams do not resign them.

If this were the draft, sure. Unfortunately, this go around, they get to do the picking.

I imagine we'd have to put a good bit more money than others into the equation to be considered.

Maybe last year we had a Cinderella feel, but this year we're a pumpkin again.

IMO go hard after a top T in free agency even if you have to pay more, which leaves you with drafting the other T.

Report: George Paton “wasn’t entirely comfortable” with Browns G.M. job

Posted by Mike Florio on January 24, 2020, 4:51 PM EST
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It’s critical that the 2020 Browns consist of a power structure that resides at all times on the same page. That apparently wouldn’t have happened if Vikings assistant G.M. George Paton had taken the G.M. job there.

Via Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com, Paton removed his name from consideration for the Browns G.M. job because Paton “had a number of issues he had to work through, and wasn’t entirely comfortable with how it would all play out.” Paton also left his second interview with “some questions about the power structure and the division of labor.”

Paton’s decision to stay in Minnesota caps a process that Paton was leery to even commence, given his belief that Andrew Berry was the top choice for the job.

It seems, based on Cabot’s article, that chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta wants Berry and that new coach Kevin Stefanski wanted Paton. Which, if accurate, becomes the latest example of a high-level power struggle with strong “I told you so” potential if when Berry, now the presumptive favorite to get the job, doesn’t work out.

According to Cabot, Paton spent roughly eight hours at team headquarters in Ohio on Tuesday for his second interview. He left unsure whether it was a good fit.

In addition to working with Stefanski, the G.M. also will have to navigate DePodesta, a four-year employee (that’s like 40 in Browns years) who seems to be acquiring more power and influence as key figures like Sashi Brown, Hue Jackson, John Dorsey, and Freddie Kitchens come and go.

Paton went before he even arrived, which for him was the right call. While coaches head often get a second chance if the first stop doesn’t work out, General Managers usually get one bite at the apple. They need to make it the best bite they can.

Can we at least give the clicks to the local newspaper instead of the news aggregators at Pro Football Talk?

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01...-candidate.html

Lolz.

I think this is a more realistic title for this thread / what explains the last 4 years of this franchise.

1) Analytics guys ( Sashi / Depo ) did a third of the job by stacking picks.
2) They tried to also be football guys and failed (EGO).
3) Football guys (Dorsey) did a third of the job by executing on those picks and bringing in talent.
4) Football guys thought they could do better than analytics guys on the field and failed (Dorsey / Kitchens ) (EGO).
5) The analytics guys realized that a more blended approach was necessary and that we needed an analytics guy who also is a football guy (Stefanski). Now it's time for the analytics minded football guys to finish the job.

I don't buy in to that. Sure we would have to pay, but I don't buy in to the factory of sadness thing or Jimmy scares people away. That is just fan talk.

Analytics is about bargains. You can forget signing any big name FA's. The days of making big trades and FA splashes are over. They left town with Dorsey. I suspect the money ball guys will do the opposite. Get rid of as much salary as possible. I would not be surprised if they trade OBJ and Landry and cut Sheldon Richardson and Vernon. I'm not saying they will, just that it would not surprise me one little bit if they did. Those guys love vast amounts of unspent cap space. They love signing the ham and eggers they can get out of the bargain bins.

This is a person that doesn't know what they are talking about.

Frivolous spending and bad contracts are now over!

No more Chris Hubbard, TJ Carrie, Eric Murray, EJ Gaines, Tyrod Taylor, Carlos Hyde, Desmond Harrison, Chris Smith, Eric Kush, Adarius Taylor moves!

Winning the offseason doesn't necessarily equate to winning on Sundays.

Some people choose to be ignorant.

I wouldn't necessarily say this is how it went down, either, though.

Spiritbro is a very passionate Browns-centric poster. Sometimes this just runs away from him a bit, but his 'spirit' is in the right place...

Paton didn't come here because he wanted to stay in Minnesota. 30 other teams could have asked Paton to interview for their GM job and he most likely would stick with Minnesota.

He's turned down several opportunities to be GM to stay with the Vikings. We aren't the only team who was ever interested in Paton. He doesn't come back here for a second interview if he has all these concerns that are being mentioned.

Everyone turning a coach or GM not coming here into being about the structure of the organization and/or Jimmy is laughable. It's typical twisting of events to make the Browns look bad. It's been happening since Holmgren walked through that door or perhaps even earlier.

Jimmy has made mistakes and fired a bunch of people, yes. But you'll never convince me that there isn't a coach or GM out there who thinks they can turn the Browns into winners. McDaniels not coming here isn't a bad thing. Paton not coming here isn't a bad thing. You win, you're not going to be fired. And what coach doesn't think he can win?

I mean we won't actually shred that stigma until we start winning, sure, but twisting everything is starting to be really quite humorous.

Be like Peen and ignore the other side of that coin ...

Instead of VG and OBJ we can look forward to more Kenny Britt’s & Corey Coleman’s ..

Instead of Bake we can have Kizer ...

No more Chubb or Hunt plenty of Isaiah Crowell ...

No more Ward or Mitchells or Randall’s but plenty of Derrick Kindreds and trading of Joe Haden’s ...

How do u like me now ... *L* ...

and tiring

Fan talk with a bit of truth to it.

I was more thinking about this angle, though, really:
Amari Cooper on free agency Link

We don't necessarily scare people away, but we don't really attract players either. If they aren't from the area, I don't think I have ever heard a guy say I want to play in Cleveland unsolicited.

Perhaps if there is a personal connection (coach/teammate), but I don't really see any of those with the players mentioned.

We are all born ignorant. All we know to do is cry, crap, and feed. Other than that, we agree.