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No no no.... You convinced me.

I've thought for the last 3 decades of my life Coal was a dying industry. The end was in sight. Other options were cleaner and made more sense and the cost of the alternatives were getting cheaper and cheaper ..... it was YOU who convinced me that single handedly Obama is so powerful he shut the entire Coal Industry down in the USA. His prowess is such that legislation written and passed in 2015 impacted the Coal Industry from 2006 onwards.... That was YOU who insinuated that. (with no explanation despite my request) ..... so ... fair to assume Obama can do the same here to? No?

I even gave him the evidence that natural gas was as cheap, and in some cases cheaper than coal before Obama ever took office. That both solar and wind are much cheaper. And it still didn't change anything. Proof doesn't count once he has made up his mind. He sounds like Bobby Boucher's momma. "Obama is da devil Bobby Boucher!"

I'm getting a little tired of the impeachment joke. I'd like to talk about something else.

If Global Warming is all America's fault why is the number one Democrat, the smartist man in the world, the greatest President to ever live and his husband buying a 15 million dollar house on the coast. We all know the coasts will be under water in 10 years. Another thing, where did a community organizer get the money?

I walk outside each morning in the winter and long for global warming to get here. I am sick and tired of the cold. Can't get here fast enough.

There are none so blind as those who can not see.

Who reads the computer screen to you?

I gave you proof bro. you just chose to ignore it.

Congrats. The dumbest statement on DT ever.

No, DD has posted a number of similarly inane statements over the years. If complied they could fill a book worthy of burning.

It's all good ... I still can't believe that you lay the entire blame for the US coal industries demise at Obama's feet .... I still have a giant hole in your explanation and the article that sighted Obama and his 2015 legislation and how that caused or had any impact on the demise of the coal industry back to 2006 which is how the article is written. If you don't want to explain - that's cool but I am going to continue to think it's funny and poke some fun at the backward time influencing the Obama had.

As I said there are none so blind as those who can not see, and you see as well as a blind man in a dark coal mine.

Yes - one that Obama shut.

Yeah, natural gas being cheaper since before Obama was ever elected has nothing to do with it. The market prices of energy has nothing to do with it.

Oh Sure and you can go on ignoring the fact that Obama changed the laws to make it IMPOSSIBLE to open a new coal power plant.

Who was it that was going to build them when all other forms of energy was already cheaper than coal? Are you trying to suggest that from 2008 through 2012 that energy companies wanted to pay MORE for their fuel source? Really?

And why, why, of WHY do you keep denying the truth that Obama caused the price of coal to raise through the roof. Why is that bro. Why do you keep denying the truth?????? I had said at least 50 times on this board that I was all for the market making the choice. You however have ignored, denied, and told untruths about Obama killing coal BEFORE ITS TIME.

Coal is dirty.

So are both of us.

You've never admitted it was already dying. Obama regulations weren't even enacted until what, 2015? Coal was already dead. People just don't want to admit it.

Once again, you're suggesting that people were going to pay more for coal than other energy sources to generate electricity since before 2008. Business simply doesn't work that way.

and once again you ignore the fact that our own government drove up the price of coal just because they thought it caused global warming....opps I mean climate change, or whatever they change the name to next year.

So they killed an industry that was already dead? That sounds impossible.

Necromancy.
Dang .... necromancy AND time travel. The plot thickens.

Why do you insist on making up stories bro. Coal was not dead (except in your own mind) was or is it going to be phased out over the next 30 or 40years.... YES. But it was and is not dead. Quit making up stories bro. Will it be phased out.... I hope so. If and only if we can find another realible source.

Over 1.4 billion tones were burned last year. That is not dead no matter how much you want it to be.

BTW coal production in the world increased by 3.3 percent in 2018.

Are we now talking globally or USA ? Coz they are two very different discussions.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...history/453144/

Went looking for historical employment numbers ... this was the first I saw going back to early 80's.

We are taking global. I hope you are to as you would sound like a total hipocrite if you are ignoring every other country.

LMAO have I ever said coal was not going to eventually die out as a source of energy in in the world. ???? Oh HELL NO. All I have ever said is that I want the world to have a choice. When the market kills it I am fine with that. But you seem to love that Obama killed it, while claiming that he didn't.

Coal’s Gradual Decline – By the Numbers

A recent report published by the U.S Energy Information Administration shows that between 2007 and 2015, the use of steam coal for electricity in the United States dropped 29% (from 1,045 million short tons to approximately 739). This decline can be seen in almost all states during that period of time, except for Nebraska and Alaska. The states that experienced the largest drop in coal consumption are found in areas of the Southeast and Midwest, while smaller dips in the market occurred in the Rocky Mountain region, Montana, Wyoming and North Dakota.

https://www.electricchoice.com/blog/the-gradual-decline-of-coal-consumption-in-the-united-states/

Bud, the writing was on the wall before Obama regulations.

And the price of coal dropped, not increased. That's why the mining stopped in so many places. It was no longer profitable to mine coal. Fewer places are mining and bankruptcies are up.

Coal Market Roundup, February 2019: ‘Nobody is making any money’

https://www.sightline.org/2019/02/13/coal-market-analysis-no-making-money/

They stopped mining my cousins land years ago.

Heading over to see my grandaughter. I will respond to you in the Am bro. Hope you have a wonderful evening.

Back at you my friend.

The National Emission Standard for Hazardous Air Pollutants, and the The Clean Air Transport Rule. Are two of many reason coal usage was declining from 2007 to 2015.

https://www3.epa.gov/region1/npdes/merrimackstation/pdfs/ar/AR-1162.pdf

So you're saying this started during the Bush administration and not under Obama?

Yes it started under Bush, and Obama put the nails in the coffin.

You'll just never get it. I will freely admit that regulations certainly hurt coal. I'm not in denial of that. I also realize the surge in natural gas and the advancement in technology in renewable energy was also a very important ingredient in all of this.

The market was a huge component in all of this. Trump has deregulated many of the very things you speak of. And coal still isn't coming back.

You should travel to China as it will remind you of those wonderful days of smelling King coal in the air and the ash truck coming on Wednesdays.

SHHHHHHHHH goes the coal down the shoot to warm a families home and hearts.

..... while infecting and killing the workers with black lung.

Glad to hear 48 more posts on Burning Koalas, a subject I'm still highly interested in, the plight of however many Koalas in Austrlia affected by the forest fire.

I can close my eyes, take a deep breath, and still remember the smell.

I already have some black lung

I won't get it? WOW just WOW. We can just keep head butting each other till our foreheads look like Frankenstein if you like, or we can drop it. I'm good either way bro.