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Yeah, "We got our guy" is dissecting things. We now live in a world where a direct quote straight from a persons mouth no longer holds any meaning. Sad.

You'll have to remind me of the last time any GM for any team said something like, "Well, we really wanted Tunsil, but he went a few picks before us, and we couldn't get any trades, so we just settled with Coleman". They ALL say "We got our guy".

Let's look at the playoff years under Wentz.

In 2019, Wentz briefly participated in his first playoff game after going 9-7 in a very weak division. Wentz threw 4 passes, completing 1 pass for 3 yards, before getting injured (again) and Josh McCown had to play the majority of the game. The Eagles lost to Seattle.

In 2018 Wentz compiled a 5-6 record before getting injured (again) and Nick Foles came and led the team to a 4-1 record. Nick Foles was 1-1 in the playoffs while Wentz watched from the sidelines.

In 2017 Wentz had his best season before injury ended his season after 13 games and Nick Foles led the team to the Super Bowl.

Further, drafting Wentz at a time when we tearing everything down would be a complete waste of a QB on a rookie deal. Not only that, but it sets up a QB to fail with no support around him.

As you point out, the Eagles had already built their team which made sense to draft a QB at that time.

Hat tip to DePo again! Or was it Sashi who drafted the Players? Or was it Berry?

Firstly he wasn't the GM. Supposedly, according to most he wasn't even involved in the process, yet was somehow in the draft room. Trying to claim he couldn't have come up with a more generic comment from someone everyone claims to be so smart is rather disingenuous at best. If you would like I can give you a few real fast.

He should have come up with a more generic comment? Why? So that fans won't hold him accountable if the player doesn't go to the HOF? He should pull out his crystal ball, predict the players future, calculate the fallout should the player not exceed expectations... and then craft his comments accordingly.

Cannot make this stuff up!

So let me get this straight. He was sitting in a room where a draft was occurring? Did he say anything? Was he just there to see how it worked? Was he eating a sandwich?

The idea that because a guy was sitting in a chair somewhere makes him in charge, or even involved with what goes on in said room, is a stretch of epic proportions.

If you don’t have first-hand knowledge of what went on in that room, then you have no knowledge of what went on in that room.

Well put, the vp of finance, the vp of marketing and the vp of gizmos all report to the president. But they all have different roles. These guys will too.

And these folks who have hyperactive imaginations with DePodesta picking the roster, approving game plans etc. need to take a couple of Valium. They are way over the top.

Go root for the Eagles if such a fanboy.

I'd like Depo to have all the power. Your meltdown would be epic reading.

The Browns regressed in Dorsey's second full season as GM (2019) and closed out the season with an embarrassing loss to the then 1-14 Bengals.

Sadly this is it in a nut shell - add he was advocating to keep a worse HC than Hue in place.

Bad? Yes. Worse than Hue? I think that is mostly recency bias.

He, unfortunately, definitely deserved to go, though.

Another football guy who thought he had football figured out and refused (or at least was unable) to learn and adapt.

As bad as some of Jimmy's choices have been results-wise, I hold out some hope he's at least learning things. Maybe he's finally stopped being swayed by old school football guys who the game has passed by.

I'm wondering if you have any idea what you're talking about. And if so, where are you getting your information?

We will NEVER see a coach as bad as Hue in probably any sport. I feel pretty confident in this statement.

No wonder Diam uses the menzas term for some of you.



I guess Depo is a liar and he was only eating a ham sandwich in the draft room. See, that's the thing. Nobody is making anything up. Some however claim Depo is a liar and we can't believe anything he says. It's pretty obvious who is making things up.

I'm not one who says Depo is doing all of those things. You addressed the wrong guy. But to try and claim that when the HC, the GM and Depo, your numbers guy, are the three who report to Haslam, yet they all don't have equal voices is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

Just like saying because Paton had so many GM interviews and pretend he turned them all down because he is being picky is crazy. Nobody knows if he was offered the GM job after any of those interviews. In order to be picky you have to turn down job offers. We don't know he was offered a job to turn down at any of those other stops.

What we do know is he pulled his name from the Browns job.

Making up things to make yourself feel better doesn't change direct quotes from people or the fact that making up how many jobs someone turned down make it so.

In my best Peen voice.....

"You're not acting like the fan boy who buys all the feel good BS we're trying to buy into. That means you're not a real fan like me!"

Isn't this what you do in your posts?




Is it really pretending if it's true?




It is.

A direct quote from Depo isn't "making something up".




Can you show anywhere that he's turned down other GM jobs? If so, how many? I'm not the one presenting unsubstantiated "feelings" as facts here.




It most certainly is. People claiming that Paton turned down other GM jobs with nothing to back it up. And people willing to claim Depo lied in order to say their theories are true.

Well, he's turned the Jets down not once, not twice, but thrice...

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He turned down the Dolphins.

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I mean is it not true because you don't want to believe it?
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I mean why do you think it's not true? The sources? It doesn't fit your agenda?

He at least interviewed here twice, that's a lot more than some other teams. Apparently he's not ready to become a GM in his mind.

With Haslem, never say never .......again .....

One big difference is he went through two interviews here. Apparently as much as he wants to be a GM and going through two interviews, he doesn't want to the the GM here.

He doesn't want to be the GM anywhere. He wants to stay in Minnesota.

Not at all. I know he is a real Browns fan. He has brought up the Eagles several times before. He keeps talking about tearing down again. Lord knows that if a single player leaves it will be the proof he needs that we are starting over.

So that's why he came here to interview not only once, but twice. You realize that doesn't make any sense, right?

Actually none of have a clue as to what their plans are moving forward but I get what you're saying.

That was my take on it, completely. Dude is just afraid to step out on his own. He's got it good and comfy where he's at and he's well sheltered.... he can just do his work and not take all of the heat when a team has a tough year or two.

Yeah, he just came here for two separate interviews because he doesn't want to be a GM in the NFL. Really?

I suspect that he came here because of his relationship with Stefanski, but never felt comfortable enough about working with Haslam and/or DePodesta, so he withdrew his name from consideration.

I'm not sure if it was Haslam, Depodesta, or just the structure under which things would be running. There could be a host of reasons he decided to pull his name out of the running. But for anyone to suggest he came here for not one, but two interviews because he wasn't seriously considering the job makes no sense. I have gone to interviews that I considered just a "feeling out process". But returning for a second interview always means you are strongly considering accepting the position. At that point you would have to find legitimate concerns not to take the position.

Yes, really.... just like the woman that gets engaged and has all the parties and showers and flashes her ring to everyone with all sorts of excitement; then never shows up to the church on her wedding day because of "cold feet".

Or, something I'm familiar with.... a group of people all decide to buy a business together and everything is going along great, all financing is taken care of, you have a business plan as well as a plan to transition ownership, cut costs, etc.... and then one critical partner backs out at the 11th -and-a-half hour .... because they were more excited about the THOUGHT and IDEA of doing something, but weren't ready to commit to the REALITY of actually doing it.

I'm not buying it. You're going on something that happens a very small fraction of the time to base your opinion on.

If it weren't Paton I would say that a candidate pulling out of contention for the GM job would be alarming. But it is Paton and he has done this (and things similar to this) before.

It's my opinion of what his actions indicate. Also, I'm not asking you to buy it, I don't care if you or anyone else does.... I'm simply explaining what I see.

Heck, at this point, it's his M.O.
He has a track record of it; of being the bird that doesn't want to leave the safety of his nest.

I'm just relying on probability.

well, you're going on what you believe you see as matching what you believe to be probability.

I'm going on what I believe I see in the track record of his actions and the wordings used in some of the things said along with the fact that he worked himself a new deal in Minny following this.

I think the wife and kids don't want him going anywhere.

So far the only evidence I've seen is that he refused to ever interview with the Jets and the only team he backed out of was the Dolphins. That sounds rather flimsy.

Yeah, he probably never talked to his family about that before he took the second interview.

Just face the fact, he didn't do well in his 2nd interview. He knew it and pulled out.

First, it didn't happen. Now you're considering it "flimsy."

Okay.

Whatever happened to, "My bad, I was wrong."?