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Like quid pro quo is out of character??
His life has been based upon quid pro quo.
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The manufacturing sector has been in contraction for 5 straight months.
Do you even pay attention?
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Ya ... i do ... and i been paying attention to trade deals and pretty much anything to do with business for a LONG LONG TIME .... He’s been president for over 5 months ....  .. . U wanna chat with me do it respectfully and I’ll respond in kind ... u wanna talk to me like I’m a 2 year old ... don’t expect me to reply ... save it for someone else ...
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Fully aware of how much new walls been built despite him fighting one entire party and some of his own who all want cheap labor ... U ever see the old wall? ... I didn’t think so ... Nuttin wrong with the Iran deal ..  ... lets leave it at we disagree ... He’s either kept his word on his campaign promises or tried like hell ... I’m not a dolt ... i knew Mexico was never gonna pay for the wall ... u believed that ... ... that may be the only campaign promise he didn’t try real hard to keep ... *L* ...
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Odds are the GOPers can’t handle the truth. No Bolton. No Biden. I'm convinced that Republicans never really wanted to have Biden testify... I think they know that it's a red herring designed to distract us from the facts.. You watch, today, the Senate will vote for NO WITNESSES. Quickly followed by a vote to dismiss. Lamar Alexander has said he doesn't need to see anymore proof, the Dems have proven their case. He's voting for no witnesses. Yeah, you read that right, he said that the dems have proven their case, but he's voting no witnesses.. That's simply saying that he doesn't care. Anyway, Trump will not be convicted so you watch, he's gonna tell the world that he was exonerated. That isn't actually true, but he'll say it. If the Dems proved their case. Why do they want more witnesses? Because this was nothing more than a political stunt to run against a President that has a booming economy and they have nothing more than Russia/Impeachment. They did prove their case to any reasonable person willing to listen and pay attention without preconceived notions. The Republicans in Congress are anything but that.
Don't blame the clown for acting like a clown.
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They did prove their case to any reasonable person willing to listen and pay attention without preconceived notions.
Why? You know someone like that?
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Don't blame the clown for acting like a clown.
Ask yourself why you keep going to the circus.
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They did prove their case to any reasonable person willing to listen and pay attention without preconceived notions.
Why? You know someone like that? There might be one or two on this board.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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The TV ratings for this trial were terrible. So my soap is no longer preempted. Stupid liberal media tried to forcefeed us this crap and failed.
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Yes, seems the public has lost interest in circuses these days. The elephants were enjoyable to watch but oh those jackasses.  Now that He-Haw is considered gender offensive, watching a bunch of Donkeys running around going They-Haw, They-Haw was unnerving.
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Senate rejects impeachment witnesses, setting up Trump acquittalSenate Republicans rejected a mid-trial effort to call witnesses and documents on Friday, paving the way for President Trump’s acquittal on two articles of impeachment passed by the House. Senators voted 51-49 https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4809...trump-acquittalTime to wrap this thing up. 
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The dems had bipartisan support for witnesses. This proves the trial was a sham, Trump and McConnell rigged it. 70% + wanted to see witnesses called. So, 40, this is FAR from over bro. They may acquit him tonight or next week, but this is very very bad for GPers.
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Wrong. A HUGE win for GOP.
Witnesses would have been bad for the Dems, so they are lucky in that regard.
Biden is thanking his lucky stars tonight for no witnesses.
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Elizabeth Warren actually uttered this:
"At a time when large majorities of Americans have lost faith in government, does the fact that the chief justice is presiding over an impeachment trial in which Republican senators have thus far refused to allow witnesses or evidence contribute to the loss of legitimacy of the chief justice, the Supreme Court, and the Constitution?" Roberts read from the card on which Warren wrote her question.
Warren maybe the least qualified person for the Presidency in the history of our republic.
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Lie: Democrats began the impeachment hearings out of concern for the country and the Constitution.
Fact: Time and time again Democrats have gone on the record proving their motivations for impeachment to be political.
Rep. Al Green, D-Texas: "I'm concerned if we don't impeach this President, he will get reelected.”
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes, D-N.Y.: “[Impeaching Trump] is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome [in 2020].”
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif.: “The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box.”
Schiff's comment should make him ineligible to serve in the Congress of the USA.
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Well after that sham by the senate, I think the GOP senate and the president should take a nice long vacation. I hear Wuhan is nice this time of year.
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Odds are the GOPers can’t handle the truth. No Bolton. No Biden. I'm convinced that Republicans never really wanted to have Biden testify... I think they know that it's a red herring designed to distract us from the facts.. You watch, today, the Senate will vote for NO WITNESSES. Quickly followed by a vote to dismiss. Lamar Alexander has said he doesn't need to see anymore proof, the Dems have proven their case. He's voting for no witnesses. Yeah, you read that right, he said that the dems have proven their case, but he's voting no witnesses.. That's simply saying that he doesn't care. Anyway, Trump will not be convicted so you watch, he's gonna tell the world that he was exonerated. That isn't actually true, but he'll say it. If the Dems proved their case. Why do they want more witnesses? Because this was nothing more than a political stunt to run against a President that has a booming economy and they have nothing more than Russia/Impeachment. Ever see a trial without witnesses? I'll tell you way, it's the right and proper thing to do. Why would Trump stop people from Testifying? Don't say it's national security, that can be dealt with properly to avoid openly discussing those things.. It's a false reason to avoid testifying. I can't imagine any person accused of so many things not being willing to bring forth witnesses that will prove him innocent. He doesn't want to prove he's innocent, he just wants to avoid being proven guilty... And those witnesses are aware. But really it doesn't matter,, Republican senators have basically said, yeah, he did that, but we don't care. Maybe the Republicans are sick of fooling around with spoiled children.
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They haven't seemed to tire of trump yet. Epic fail, Dooty
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They haven't seemed to tire of trump yet. Epic fail, Dooty It may say Impeached but will always be known as Democrats Temper Tantrum. You guys might have ruined your party forever.
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Wrong. A HUGE win for GOP.
Witnesses would have been bad for the Dems, so they are lucky in that regard.
Biden is thanking his lucky stars tonight for no witnesses. You are clueless. Nobody gives a damn about Biden on this side, if he's dirty then he's dirty. Trump is a crook. PROVEN AND ADMITTED TO BY GOPERS.
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They haven't seemed to tire of trump yet. Epic fail, Dooty It may say Impeached but will always be known as Democrats Temper Tantrum. You guys might have ruined your party forever. You are clueless too. That blue tsunami headed your way in November will prove it too. You think the left was mad and fired up before, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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They haven't seemed to tire of trump yet. Epic fail, Dooty It may say Impeached but will always be known as Democrats Temper Tantrum. You guys might have ruined your party forever. You are clueless too. That blue tsunami headed your way in November will prove it too. You think the left was mad and fired up before, you ain't seen nothing yet. Nope, you are the only clueless one here.
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The Dems keep screaming there was no witnesses. They had 17 witnesses in the House. They could have used a subpoena to have more witnesses in the house but they did not. Why? Then they would not be able to cry unfair trail. This was political when it started and is political when it ends on Wednesday.
What was unfair is President Trump was not given due process in the House. There were zero Republican witnesses admitted by Schiff during the House Impeachment. Why? It was a sham to begin with.
If they were serious about removal then they should have been transparent. The Whistle blower should have testified in the House, Why was he not called? It would have exposed Adan Schiff as corrupt. He would have certainly been called as a witness in the Senate. It would have also exposed not just Biden but John Kerry as corrupt.
The do nothing, soon to be socialist Democrats have nothing to run on in 2020. They could not run against the economy so they had to have the bogus impeachment to hope it fires up their base and not just the progressive extremists. Once they go full on Socialist Trump will win 2020 in a landslide electoral college victory much larger than the decisive 77 point victory in 2016.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
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Forever impeached.....no trial, no acquittal.
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Marco Rubio's mind-blowing explanation of his impeachment vote https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ... ____________ What a coward.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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Yep, In other words ..he’s scared of trump. They all are. What a bunch of wimps.
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CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin: 'Trump won' and 'that's how history will remember' this impeachmentCNN chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin declared President Trump the winner of the impeachment trial after the Senate failed to pass a motion to call for additional witnesses. https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-jeffrey-toobin-trump-won-impeachmentEven they are beginning to understand "Winning".
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j/c Did Ukraine receive the aid in question? Was it timely? Did Ukraine ever announce an investigation of Biden? Did Ukraine ever investigate Biden? Did the Ukrainian President comment on the aide "restrictions"? This whole thing is ridiculous. Do you know why there can be no acquittal? Look up the definition of the word. Here it is: a judgment that a person is not guilty of the crime with which the person has been charged. Trump hasn't been charged with a crime. What a hoax/circus/witch-hunt cluster. The best part of this joke is that the TDS haters desperately tried to make up a QPQ on Trump that did not exist after seeing an actual QPQ delivered to Russia on the hot-mike moment of King O. Trump gave Ukraine $$$ to stop Russia...Obama made a promise to be more-flexible with Russia if they'll just wait until after the election. Yet Trump is the one in Putin's palm. Bested only by Hillary being found guilty of committing espionage...then a crooked FBI director - who was commenting above his pay grade - stating that she can't be tried for the very obvious crime she committed. Uh...yes she can...if the DOJ weren't so busy trying to stop Trump and protect Clinton and Obama himself. Real crimes get the ho-hum...made-for-TV BS is cause for uproar and why the country is being torn apart. TDS is real.
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j/c Did Ukraine receive the aid in question? Was it timely? Did Ukraine ever announce an investigation of Biden? Did Ukraine ever investigate Biden? Did the Ukrainian President comment on the aide "restrictions"? This whole thing is ridiculous. Do you know why there can be no acquittal? Look up the definition of the word. Here it is: a judgment that a person is not guilty of the crime with which the person has been charged. Trump hasn't been charged with a crime. What a hoax/circus/witch-hunt cluster. The best part of this joke is that the TDS haters desperately tried to make up a QPQ on Trump that did not exist after seeing an actual QPQ delivered to Russia on the hot-mike moment of King O. Trump gave Ukraine $$$ to stop Russia...Obama made a promise to be more-flexible with Russia if they'll just wait until after the election. Yet Trump is the one in Putin's palm. Bested only by Hillary being found guilty of committing espionage...then a crooked FBI director - who was commenting above his pay grade - stating that she can't be tried for the very obvious crime she committed. Uh...yes she can...if the DOJ weren't so busy trying to stop Trump and protect Clinton and Obama himself. Real crimes get the ho-hum...made-for-TV BS is cause for uproar and why the country is being torn apart. TDS is real. This post is gospel.
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Did Ukraine receive the aid in question? Was it timely? Did Ukraine ever announce an investigation of Biden? Did Ukraine ever investigate Biden? Did the Ukrainian President comment on the aide "restrictions"? The request and the attempt to force Ukraine to do something to receive the monies was what made this wrong. The fact that it was politically motivated with the intent to undermine Trump's political opponent is what made it impeachable. Those are the facts. Because Ukraine got the funds does not mean the offenses did not take place. And Trumps' defense bore that out. It went from [1] no coercion / no quid pro quo. . . . to [2] process process process [3] the GOP didn't have access to the witnesses (yes they did) [4] no-one heard it from the President's lips .... to [5] yeah, well even if we know people will testify to Trump requesting quid pro quo and they heard it from Trump directly & we know it's wrong and dirty it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. [6] The Trump defense even went so far as to claim if Trump felt he was acting in the Nation's best interest - he could basically do anything to get re-elected and it wouldn't be impeachable. We have at least 2 Republican Senators saying that - yes he's guilty but because of the TIMING and this being an election year, we won't vote to impeach. And Trump and the Trump stooges will claim this exonerates him ! All that's happened is a ridiculously dangerous precedent has been established and without doubt at some point in the future a crooked POTUS will use this as a defense to hide his actions. Oh and lets not forget the other precedent - where Congress and oversight of the POTUS has been neutered - future POTUS can simply never comply with anything out of the House ever again.
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And for clarity and for the weak minded who want to assume that the Trump defense didn't claim that .... https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-fr...etat-cest-trumpHis argument seemed unbelievable: as long as the President thinks his reëlection will benefit the country, he can do anything in pursuit of it without fear of impeachment. They tried to walk it back and claim that's not what they said ... I happened to be listening live and it's exactly what he said.
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j/c Did Ukraine receive the aid in question? YUPPERS Was it timely? pretty much Did Ukraine ever announce an investigation of Biden? No Sir Did Ukraine ever investigate Biden? not to our knowledge Did the Ukrainian President comment on the aide "restrictions"? NO ... unless u wanna talk about him saying he had no clue the money was even withheld much less felt any pressure for something he didn’t know was going on
NOT THAT ANY OF THIS MATTER TO US WEAKMINDED FOLK ... Do you know why there can be no acquittal? Look up the definition of the word. Here it is: a judgment that a person is not guilty of the crime with which the person has been charged. Trump hasn't been charged with a crime. What a hoax/circus/witch-hunt cluster. The best part of this joke is that the TDS haters desperately tried to make up a QPQ on Trump that did not exist after seeing an actual QPQ delivered to Russia on the hot-mike moment of King O. Trump gave Ukraine $$$ to stop Russia...Obama made a promise to be more-flexible with Russia if they'll just wait until after the election. Yet Trump is the one in Putin's palm. Bested only by Hillary being found guilty of committing espionage...then a crooked FBI director - who was commenting above his pay grade - stating that she can't be tried for the very obvious crime she committed. Uh...yes she can...if the DOJ weren't so busy trying to stop Trump and protect Clinton and Obama himself. Real crimes get the ho-hum...made-for-TV BS is cause for uproar and why the country is being torn apart. TDS is real. This has nothing to do with the fact Schiff said for 2 years there was proof of Russian collusion and we’d see it soon ..... tick tock .... Nadler didn’t have much egg on his face ... did he? ... 0 - 2 .... what’s next from the charade of a party who only has one thing in mind ... if he wins again he may be impeached as many times as the rest in our history combined ....
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What does it tell you when the dems are saying Trump would be impeached before he was even elected? I’m sure the libtards have plenty of answers...as always
He was a crook? Not a saint like Hillary?
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What does it tell you when the dems are saying Trump would be impeached before he was even elected? I’m sure the libtards have plenty of answers...as always
He was a crook? Not a saint like Hillary?
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So...Ukraine received the aid...received it timely...did not announce or perform an investigation...and the President of Ukraine said there was no pressure. Facts.
There's no case here. There is no crime charged to be "guilty" of. This thing is a joke. The hand-wringing and astonishment is over a disagreement in policy...that's a poor reason to impeach a President. Fantasy.
I'm disappointed that we aren't getting to hear witnesses. Especially given the first paragraph in this post. Quid Pro Joe is sighing relief with every breath today...for now.
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So...Ukraine received the aid...received it timely...did not announce or perform an investigation...and the President of Ukraine said there was no pressure. Facts.
There's no case here. There is no crime charged to be "guilty" of. This thing is a joke. The hand-wringing and astonishment is over a disagreement in policy...that's a poor reason to impeach a President. Fantasy.
I'm disappointed that we aren't getting to hear witnesses. Especially given the first paragraph in this post. Quid Pro Joe is sighing relief with every breath today...for now. You are wrong. But hey - no skin off my nose. As I said - the fact they got the money-the fact that it may or may not have been on time - what Ukraine says (when they are still reliant on our aide and support and good will 100%) is irrelevant. Not succeeding in an attempted coercion doesn't mean that the attempt wasn't made. We have witnesses out the ying yang that said that was the case ... the defense was "no-one heard Trump say it" .... Then Bolton finally stepped in and verified. You are trying to ignore facts by stating another set of facts implying one rules out the other ---- that doesn't happen. The FACT that Ukraine got the funds does NOT mean that Trump didn't put them on hold with the threat of not releasing them unless Biden(s) was investigate (actually the investigation wasn't needed - just an announcement) ... the fact that the money was released AFTER the whistle blower made this an issue does not exonerate him. The fact that you think Biden should be a witness to a trial about what Trump did shows you have brainwashed by the Right Faux News media. We are good. Keep believing whatever you want to believe. . . . I asked the other day what Biden could testify to about the call, the coercion and about Trump's actions ... I got crickets. If Biden is guilty of anything (and it's been debunked) but if he is guilty of anything... investigate him and prosecute him fully. But that has NOTHING to do with Trump's trial. Thinking otherwise shows the extent and influence of faux news.
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Unfortunately, common sense is mute in the current political environment It’s moot. Not mute. I know I know, grammar police. Not trying to be a jerk. It’s just that I see this often. I’m finally speaking up. Back to bickering. Here I’ll help... It’s February and trump still sucks.
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