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I never said that ... but nice job ...

Another fairy tale is all he does is set up process ... something U and a few others have ACTUALLY SAID ...

I’ll leave it at that and see what other BS u wanna say i said .. can’t wait to see what else I’ve said ...

Zero angst here on depo being in the room ... just not a fan of BS witch is what there selling ...

Depo’s only a process guy yet he’s in on the interviews ...

Understand now? ...

I’m simply pointing out the fact depo isn’t just a process guy ... cause his actions don’t match those words ...

I will look up your other bs when I get a little time bro.

You said that above. Along with this



and this





Who ever said Depo and Berry thought Sashi was thier BOY?







You just like mac keep saying Depo is in charge of things that he is not.

Did you ever say he was in charge of some of the things I listed..... well after looking back at your posts NO you didn't I was wrong about that and I apoligize.

Maybe to make sure the process is being followed?

Look, I am not saying he isn't a part of the interviews and can't or doesn't ask any questions. He is a sharp guy. Every question you ask a coach or players isn't always about X's and O's.

I just don't think he is the driving force behind all the decisions.

Think about it man...the guy is smart. It makes no sense to think you aren't even going to solicit his input. That is what he is hired to do. Provide information, which in a round about way is expressing an opinion.

He isn't the one making the decisions. He gives his input. We need to draft this group of players for these reasons, we probably need to avoid this group of players for these reason.

The the GM and coach can make a call.

We don't know, but if so, that is a good thing. He was giving Jimmy info on who we should draft pre-draft, then saw them to go on and have fine seasons on some other team while our Tiki Tiki wasn't doing squat.

Hopefully next time you’ll use things i actually said and not crap u make up bro ...

Your a good man GM ... i apologize also ... your one of the very very few that don’t deserve my ... lets call it honesty ... *L* ...

Your a class act bro .... always have been ....

Til the next time ... *L*

Butting heads like two male rams builds respect buddy lol I like being able to but heads and for neither of us to take it personal.

Yes he is... I have been very lucky to have gotten to know him on a personal level..


As far as you Diam... your a real........... good guy also

Me, I am a A hole.

you are such a dear friend of mine ..and I will cherish and love you forever my friend...

One thing the football guys did... was keep the Browns in Cleveland..


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I can honestly say all the people I have met from this site is amazing... everyone I have met are a blessing and I will never forget them.... that's going back a long way...Whether in person or through this board you all have been a big part of my life... Thank you

When.... If.... Maybe.... Oh hell if I ever grew up, I would want to be just like you buddy 👍

we have had our laughs together... one thing about this board... it really shows that Browns fans are the best ever !!!!!

Friends also.... I'm Billy for you who don't know ...just a name ..

As you have been part of ours. Thank you, Billy...

I watched when it first came out and have watched it a few times.

That should give you confidence that Depo isn't pulling all the strings.

I watched the pressers with Andrew, Kevin and Paul. I came away with the same opinion on all that we have very intelligent and capable men running things now. I have more confidence in this group than I've had in the past. I really feel this time we got it right but again time will tell. They should be allowed to do their jobs and be given the time they need. We need patience now more than ever. JMO

Hard not to....Paul Brown was probably he first coach to institute analytics in to the scouting and coaching.

Paul was big in to analytics.

I like you, Homes.............but, I really don't get how people keep repeating that these guys are so smart and we should trust them.

This is basically the same group that assembled a 1 and 31 team. Their QBs were Kizer, Kessler, and and Hogan. None of them had won a game before they were our QBs. I don't know if they have ever won a game in the NFL. Kessler might have won a game when they scored something like 10 points. The top three receivers they chose were Kenny Britt, Corey Coleman, and Ricardo Louis. They passed on QBs like Wentz, Mahomes, and Watson. Depo said that they didn't believe Wentz was a top 20 qb. They could have had Watson at 12 and traded the pick.

They did not want to or were not able to re-sign good, young players. They cut a guy like Joe Haden days after the HC and DC were saying how invaluable he was to the defense.

That's not smart. It's freaking ignorant.

I agree. The only thing that would make me feel better about Berry is if he was loudly arguing against some of the "smart" moves made by Sashi Brown while he was in charge.

I doubt that he did though. There were certainly no reports that he was ..... no reports of "internal discord" between him and Brown. There were no reports of him fighting for one of the top QBs, when Brown was making his brilliant trade downs.

There were reports of the coaches being ...... perturbed .... when Joe Haden was released .... but not Berry.

The brain trust of Sashi and Berry left a team with 1 situational RB, (Duke) no QB, 1 WR, (Higgins) 1 TE (Njoku) and 3 OL.

On defense they left us with 2 DL, (Garrett and Ogunjobi) 2 LB, one always injured, and 1 being played out of position, (Kirksey and Schobert) and 1 S of questionable production. (Peppers)

In other words, almost every unit needed rebuilt.

RGIII and McCown were our top 2 QBs the Coleman draft. They both got hurt early. Kessler was the 3rd string QB we were supposed to trust Hue about. You're still holding it against Sashi that our 3rd string QB wasn't a world-beater?

2017 draft, Myles Garrett was the consensus top pick. Hue wanted Hooker who missed the combine with a knee injury with the next pick. He wasn't banging the table for a QB. If I recall correctly, you weren't a Mahomes fan, either. They drafted Kizer with the intention of sitting him a year, and Hue played him anyways. Was that an ideal QB room? No, but the 2018 draft was supposedly a great year to need a QB and we'd been on a multi-year rebuild plan.

Coleman spent 5 (wk 1 then 14-17) games with the QB he was drafted to play with. A mobile QB that threw nice deepballs. Due to injuries he mostly played with a noodlearmed rookie, then a completely unprepared rookie the next year. Would he have flopped with a better QB and environment? Britt didn't work out, but he was coming off a good year. They structured his contract so they could get out of it. Williams allegedly gave him a vote of confidence after their time with the Rams. Louis was the 114th pick and played special teams, he was a Height/Weight/Speed lottery ticket. They brought in Higgins then, too.

Joe Haden had had two injury plagued down years in a row and they asked him to take a pay cut. He declined. It's a business. Did Sashi go too hard with the business side? Probably, but that's where he was coming from/"specialized". We'd also just had an awful season, so Joe had plenty of reasons to be okay with finding greener pastures.

There are lots of different ways to paint the two Sashi years. You keep choosing the worst colors possible.

We were a bad team before Sashi. We had the assets to get multiple top of the draft players after him.

Hopefully Berry is a better balance of the various "worlds" (scouting, business, analytics) and can actually work with the people around him. We'll see.

If you want to call him a 1-31 executive and leave it at that, that'd be true. It's the explanations for how he arrived there that vary.

Agreed. I will add that the "smart" guys were considering drafting Trubiski w/the first overall pick and Hue let everyone in the building know that he would not support that particular choice and he campaigned for Myles. Thank God for that.

The crazy thing is the "smart" guys had Trubiski rated higher than both Mahomes and Watson. And when Watson fell to the 12th pick, the Browns "smartly" traded that choice away.


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Btw: Would someone let Bull know that RGIII, McCown, and Kessler were the qbs in the "smart" guys first year and they then "chose" to go w/Kizer, Kessler, and Hogan in the second year of their "smart" tenure?

And one more thing on the Haden situation. Cutting him a week or so after the DC and HC praised him is a sure sign how much importance the "smart" guys put into "working together" and "being on the same page."

Just know this ... your still wrong ... Depo’s more than just a process dude ... *LOL* ...

We saved like 2 million when we cut Haden .. i had no probs with the move til i heard that ... i was not a fan of Haden ... but to save pennies it was ANOTHER HORRIBLE MOVE ...

Your sticking up for the Coleman pick by giving reasons why he failed here ... ..

He’s been on 2 or 3 other teams since then and has never been more than a 5th ...

U guts do it all the time ... all the stench gets put on people not here meanwhile depo and now berry get credit for the good and are shielded from the bad ... that’s BS ... its as bad or worse as saying there going to stink now because of what happened 3 or 4 years ago ...

Its BS ...

Funny you sound like my wife, but you sure don't look like her. Plus I'm right.

See, that's the difference here. I never said it was a bad thing. I said he now has more influence. And he certainly does. It amazes me how hard people reach to try and deny that.

His HC of choice from last year was hired this year. I'm not sure how much more physical evidence one could possibly need than that to see that he has Haslam's ear much more now than in the past.

How that plays out moving forward in either a positive or negative way remains to be seen. I'm not saying he runs the team or makes all the calls the way mac is trying to do. What I am saying is that the HC and the way the system works out moving forward is more influenced in the direction Depo envisions.

As with every system be that football people or analytics there will be hits and misses. Hopefully it's more hits and less misses.

Hue decided to start Kizer over Osweiler, that was Hue's choice not the FO. I think they tried to work with Hue too much. Didn't make sense to pay Osweiler his bad contract to be a backup once Hue named Kizer the guy.

Where's the evidence of the FO having Trubisky rated that highly? You keep saying it, but Hue thinking something doesn't make it true.

You keep stating facts I'm not debating, but put them like they prove something. Yes, those were the QBs we had. Yes, Hue utilized them terribly.

We passed on Watson. Fine. He'd probably have looked awful with Hue trying to make him a pocket passer and bad pieces around him. Watson and Hopkins works pretty well. Watson with Britt, Coleman, and Louis with Hue coaching? That has dumpster fire written all over it.

Saddled with a 3-36-1 coach, who they didn't want in the first place, they decided to look to the future.

The Haden cutting was a bad move. It wasn't one they wanted to make. They wanted to renegotiate his deal. Unfortunately, it didn't work out and feelings were hurt.

Honest debate is often ruined by deceit on this board. Have a nice life.

Report: Browns still considering Mitchell Trubisky first overall

There have also been reports, denied by the Browns, of a rift in the front office, with head coach Hue Jackson wanting Garrett but Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta wanting Trubisky. It would be strange, to say the least, for the Browns to hire a head coach with a good track record for developing quarterbacks in Jackson, then use the first overall pick in the draft on a quarterback Jackson doesn’t think they should take.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-first-overall/

Hue Jackson reportedly wanted no part of Mitch Trubisky in 2017

"Now there was debate between targeting Texas A&M defensive end Myles Garrett and North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky," Wickersham wrote. "Jackson wanted Garrett and one day made his case by taping pictures of Garrett on the glass walls in [owner Jimmy] Haslam's office as a joke. But Jackson wasn't kidding when he later vowed to Haslam that he wouldn't support Trubisky, publicly or privately. The team ended up deciding in favor of Garrett but kept Jackson in the dark about it until shortly before the draft, for reasons unexplained to him."

https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/...raft-128253300/

you know, bull, I find it mind numbingly stunning that all this conversation is going on about what was done 3,4 even five years ago. news flash, I think some idiot gave up Paul warfield for who again?? that really needs a thorough rehashing so will some of you guys get to it.

I also find it amazing that some folks of presumably reasonable intelligence think that because some of our leadership was here during the tear down, that what they did then to rid us of contracts and build draft assets for the future has zero to do with what will be done now. totally different team in a totally different place.

most people can see this but we have a few folks who choose not to. we also have a couple who are in desperate need of Valium.

Crazy that an inaccurate story would come out just before the draft, right? That never happens.

Also, Myles Garrett is on the team. The person in charge made the right choice.

It's become Dawgtalkers protocol. People will do pretty much anything to promote what they believe and dismiss what they don't. Sportswriters turn from good, to trash and back to good depending on what they write. If they write things people don't want to see or read, they suddenly become trash. Once they start writing things people want to see and read, they become good again.

It's all the rage.

Just so we’re clear, Sashi was in charge. Myles Garrett is on the team. Good job Sashi.

I don't make the news. I just report it.