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County in rural Kansas is jailing people over unpaid medical debts

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People are being forced to appear in court every three months for a debtors hearing where they must say they don't have money for the medical bills under oath. When they miss a court appearance, they are cited for contempt of court and jailed, then must post $500 bond to get out of jail. The attorneys then move to get the bond money paid toward debts. Every three months the cycle repeats.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
County in rural Kansas is jailing people over unpaid medical debts

Video Report at link.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/county-in-rural-kansas-is-jailing-people-over-unpaid-medical-debt/

People are being forced to appear in court every three months for a debtors hearing where they must say they don't have money for the medical bills under oath. When they miss a court appearance, they are cited for contempt of court and jailed, then must post $500 bond to get out of jail. The attorneys then move to get the bond money paid toward debts. Every three months the cycle repeats.

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Time to open up some debtor prisons and workhouses. These animals can’t be left free to roam the streets with the rest of society.


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I thought we did away with Debtors prisons? Guess not


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I thought we did away with Debtors prisons? Guess not


They are circumventing that with contempt of court charges...

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"What's happening here is a jailhouse shake-down for cash that is the criminalization of private debt."


You wouldn't think you'd go to jail over medical bills": County in rural Kansas is jailing people over unpaid medical debt



Last Updated Feb 9, 2020 7:56 PM EST

There is at least one issue a divided electorate can come together on this election year: A recent poll finds 90% of those surveyed agreed on the importance of making health care more affordable.

Millions of Americans remain uninsured.

As Meg Oliver reports in partnership with ProPublica, some people are even going to jail because they're squeezed by a system that's putting new demands on overburdened incomes.

Tres and Heather Biggs' son Lane was diagnosed with leukemia when he was five years old. At the same time, Heather suffered seizures from Lyme disease.

"We had so many — multiple health issues in our family at the same time, it put us in a bracket that made insurance unattainable," Heather Biggs said. "It would have made no sense. We would have had to have not eaten, not had a home."
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Heather Biggs of Coffeyville, Kansas. CBS News

Tres Biggs was working two jobs but they fell behind on their medical bills, then the unthinkable happened.

"You wouldn't think you'd go to jail over medical bills," Tres Biggs said.

Tres Biggs went to jail for failing to appear in court for unpaid medical bills. He described it as "scary."

"I was scared to death," Tres Biggs said. "I'm a country kid — I had to strip down, get hosed and put a jumpsuit on."

Bail was $500. He said they had "maybe $50 to $100" at the time.

In rural Coffeyville, Kansas, where the poverty rate is twice the national average, attorneys like Michael Hassenplug have built successful law practices representing medical providers to collect debt owed by their neighbors.

"I'm just doing my job," Hassenplug said. "They want the money collected, and I'm trying to do my job as best I can by following the law."
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Heather and Tres Biggs. CBS News

That law was put in place at Hassenplug's own recommendation to the local judge. The attorney uses that law by asking the court to direct people with unpaid medical bills to appear in court every three months and state they are too poor to pay in what is called a "debtors exam."

If two hearings are missed, the judge issues an arrest warrant for contempt of court. Bail is set at $500.

Hassenplug said he gets "paid on what's collected." If the bail money is applied to the judgment, then he gets a portion of that, he said.

"We're sending them to jail for contempt of court for failure to appear," Hassenplug said.

In most courts, bail money is returned when defendants appear in court. But in almost every case in Coffeyville, that money goes to pay attorneys like Hassenplug and the medical debt his clients are owed.

"This raises serious constitutional concerns," said Nusrat Choudhury, the deputy director of the ACLU. "What's happening here is a jailhouse shake-down for cash that is the criminalization of private debt."

CBS News went to court on debt collection day. They wouldn't allow our cameras in, but we watched more than 60 people swear they didn't have enough money to pay, and only one of them had an attorney representing them.

Michael Hassenplug continues to operate.


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This is wrong on so many levels, but that said, the headline is misleading.

They are going to jail for failure to appear. Although IMO, if you're struggling to make ends meat, it's tough to take time off to go to court to tell them you have no money, all while losing what little you're earning waiting in a courtroom.

The whole thing is a scam created up by a scummy lawyer. Bet he's a local favorite in town.


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Meanwhile in Utah...
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Utah sends employees to Mexico for lower prescription prices
Utah is paying public employees to travel to Mexico to fill their prescription medications in a program aimed at reducing the high cost of prescription drugs

SALT LAKE CITY -- Ann Lovell had never owned a passport before last year. Now, the 62-year-old teacher is a frequent flier, traveling every few months to Tijuana, Mexico, to buy medication for rheumatoid arthritis — with tickets paid for by the state of Utah’s public insurer.

Lovell is one of about 10 state workers participating in a year-old program to lower prescription drug costs by having public employees buy their medication in Mexico at a steep discount compared to U.S. prices. The program appears to be the first of its kind, and is a dramatic example of steps states are taking to alleviate the high cost of prescription drugs.

In one long, exhausting day, Lovell flies from Salt Lake City to San Diego. There, an escort picks her up and takes her across the border to a Tijuana hospital, where she gets a refill on her prescription. After that, she’s shuttled back to the airport and heads home.


Lovell had been paying $450 in co-pays every few months for her medication, though she said it would have increased to some $2,400 if she had not started traveling to Mexico. Without the program, she would not be able to afford the medicine she needs.

“This is the drug that keeps me functioning, working,” said Lovell, who works at an early-intervention program for deaf students that's part of the Utah Schools for the Deaf and Blind. “I think if I wasn’t on this drug ... I’d be on disability rather than living my normal life.”

The cost difference is so large that the state's insurance program for public employees can pay for each patient’s flight, give them a $500-per-trip bonus and still save tens of thousands of dollars.


Other states have taken new approaches to addressing the high costs of prescription drugs. California is looking at launching its own generic-drug label. Louisiana has a Netflix-style program for hepatitis C drugs, where the state negotiated a deal to pay a flat fee rather than for each prescription.

Several states are looking at creating boards aimed at keeping prices affordable, and four have started what’s expected to be a lengthy process to begin importing drugs from Canada under a new Trump administration plan.

The Utah program was created under a 2018 state law dubbed “right to shop,” by Republican Rep. Norm Thurston. The Public Employees Health Program offers it only for people who use a drug on a list of about a dozen medications where the state can get significant savings. Of the 160,000 state and local public employees covered by the insurer, fewer than 400 are eligible, according to Managing Director Chet Loftis.


Officials have tracked the medications from the manufacturer to the pharmacy to the patient, to make sure people are getting the same drugs they would at home, he said. They contract with a specialty pharmacy that works with one of the region's largest private hospital systems. A representative from a company, Provide Rx, escorts patients from the San Diego airport to Hospital Angeles in Tijuana and back across the border.

Lovell has a prescription from her doctor in Utah, and each time she travels to Mexico she sees a doctor at the hospital as well. She updates the doctor on her condition, gets her prescription, and takes it to the pharmacist, who gives her the medication.

Provide Rx also works with a dozen or so private companies, some of whom offer similar bonus programs to their staffers, said general manager Javier Ojeda.

Just over a year after the program began, the state has saved about $225,000, Loftis said.

Though the number of people participating is relatively small, the savings add up quickly. The annual U.S. list price for the drug Lovell takes, Enbrel, is over $62,000 per patient. With the Mexico program, after the cost of the flight and the bonus, the state still cuts its expenses in half.

“It makes sense for us to do this,” Loftis said.

Thurston had hoped more people would sign up, saving the state $1 million by now.

But officials are optimistic more people will sign on now that they see the program is working. They have expanded to offering flights to Canada, where there’s a clinic in the Vancouver airport and the travel costs are about the same.

While importation of prescription drugs is illegal because drugs sold in other countries haven’t been approved by the Food and Drug Administration, the U.S. allows people to bring in a three-month supply for personal use.

There have been long been more informal trips across the border elsewhere; Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has taken bus trips with patients from border states into Canada to highlight the cost of prescription drugs. But the Utah program appears to be the only formal state program of its kind, said David Mitchell, a cancer patient and the founder of the advocacy group Patients For Affordable Drugs.

“It is unfortunate and, in fact, wrong that the citizens of this great country have to travel to other countries to get drugs they need at affordable prices,” he said.

Others say the “pharmaceutical tourism” approach has risks and doesn’t solve the issue of high prescription drug prices in the United States. Peter Maybarduk with the nonprofit advocacy group Public Citizen said people can come across unsafe medications in other countries, and it’s important not to undercut the importance of U.S. regulators.

“It is a Band-Aid for people who really need it,” he said. “We need reform of the system as whole.”

In most other countries, national health programs negotiate lower drug prices at large scale, and sometimes refuse to cover the most expensive ones. Meanwhile, patents generally run much longer in the U.S. than other countries, allowing for monopolies. Drug makers also often point to the high cost of creating a drug to bring to market.

Utah truck driver Jason Pierce has been grateful to find the drug Stelara, the only effective treatment for his psoriasis. It’s also expensive, so he and his wife, a Utah health department employee, started traveling to Mexico to get his shots.

Their insurance through her state job covers it completely, so the trips don’t save them any money. But with both flights covered through the state program and the $500 bonuses, they can make a short vacation.

“It’s pretty easy,” he said. The drug is “exactly the same.”

And the travel means the drug saves their public insurer thousands, helping save taxpayer money and bring down premiums, his wife, Robbin Williams, said.

“I just think it's the moral and right thing to do,” she said.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
This is wrong on so many levels, but that said, the headline is misleading.

They are going to jail for failure to appear. Although IMO, if you're struggling to make ends meat, it's tough to take time off to go to court to tell them you have no money, all while losing what little you're earning waiting in a courtroom.

The whole thing is a scam created up by a scummy lawyer. Bet he's a local favorite in town.


The real "Trickledown Economics" at work. Healthcare and Insurance industries want their money, the people they made broke in the first place can't pay it. Legal leeches find a way to latch onto the beast. It's not money that flows down, it's debt.

But hey, "money" in the economy is "money" in the economy.

GDP is such a lousy indicator of a well run economy. Especially when more money can be printed and injected into the economy arbitrarily. Then you have our (over) use of debt and the interest rates associated with it as opposed to those given on savings.

Healthcare and Insurance, things that sound great in theory, but we've let become monsters in practice. Could probably throw in "Law" as well.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
This is wrong on so many levels, but that said, the headline is misleading.

They are going to jail for failure to appear. Although IMO, if you're struggling to make ends meat, it's tough to take time off to go to court to tell them you have no money, all while losing what little you're earning waiting in a courtroom.

The whole thing is a scam created up by a scummy lawyer. Bet he's a local favorite in town.


And that's it in a nutshell. They aren't going to jail over the medical debt. They are going to jail for failure to appear in court. Very misleading headline.

I agree we need an overhaul of our healthcare system. I don't think people should be going to court every three months to explain why they can't pay their medical debts. Everyone knows that about half of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Everyone knows that millions upon millions of Americans ave no healthcare insurance. So the whole thing is stupid.

But it's not the debt itself they are going to jail over.


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