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No DC I am not debating any of this, as I said befor the fact that Frye was handed the job is more disconcerting to me than his play. Now we have a guy who in DA who had to play due to injury and he is opening peoples eyes. Now we have a young QB who has to look over his shoulder while playing instead of a guy sitting there learning.

We havent handled the QB situation right since 99 even though I thought that Bringing Garcia here made sense on the surface. There really isnt any reason to believe we are going to now.

15 Yards, piling on. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Geez just put a skirt on, we can't even hit you without a flag flying <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

*gives GM the famous Tim Couch gesture* <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I really liked what I saw out of Derek. That's why he made the team. If he went in and stunk up the joint we would wonder why he was wearing a uniform.

I wouldn't mind seeing him the last two games, but the media will be over it painting the same old picture they painted a few years ago. Then every little mistake made by Charlie you will hear the boos and when Derek makes them there will be no boos but a silent resignation that we need someone else.

It's a no win scenario till one of them lights it up with wins. And that's not going to happen till we elevate the talent on the team.

At this point I see TWO very average QB's on the Browns. Neither is lighting it up, btw Mourg, of course Anderson is going to have better stats than Frye; he's only played 2 and a half games. Frye has played a full seasons worth.

I see good and bad things in both QB's but I see nothing that tells me either of these two can/will ever lead us to the Super Bowl, maybe one will and maybe not?

First and foremost before we are ever going to have any QB who can be cosistantly productive we MUST have a solid O LINE. We haven't had that since 99 and we haven't had a consistant passing or running game. Coensidence, I don't think so! Without O LINE we will continue to be inconsistant.

I think it is smart for RAC to stick with Frye for the moment. Because we don't need a huge QB cotroversy at this point, especially when the controversy is over two mediocre QB's. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

I will not be surprised if in the next season or two that we have a new young QB being groomed behind a vet QB as that was RAC and Phils intention with Frye. As I'm really not conviced either of these guys can be the type of leader and winner that Favre, Aikman, Elway, and others in that same league have been. Only time will tell but we need to fix other problems before a QB will ever have consistant success in Cleveland.

LOL.......it's crazy how many people are drawing lines in the sand on this debate.

Personally, I see positives in both quarterbacks. I also see flaws that probably won't be correctable.

Bottom line: I think it is WAY too early to judge either qb as either the answer or as garbage. Too many holes around them and neither has played enough to accurately judge how they will progress.

Frye may be done for the season so its probaly a mute argument anyway. KW2 may have been right with his initial diagnosis of Frye's injury.

Did anyone watch the Cincy / Indy game. ?

Ask Carson Palmer about the value of an offensive line.

[color:"orange"]I'm hearing the same, looks like DA will finish the season as the starter. [/color]

j/c

I guess RAC's loyalty is a moot point...

Agreed. Until we have a running game and an upright QB this is all moot. We've been losing with Frye all year. He gets hurt (behind our crap line). Anderson comes in, and people see he has a cannon for an arm. Frye's most glaring weakness to most fans is his lack of arm strength.

Its kinda like trading in an old beater for a shiny new car...that doesn't run right. Both have limitations that may or may not be fixable. Its up to the players/coaching staff to help mask and overcome those deficiencies. Anyhow, I got completely away from what I wanted to say...there's really no point in getting 100% behind one or the other. All we can do is sit back and hope one of them can either fix what's wrong or compensate. Personally, I dont care who it is, if its Frye, Anderson, me, you, Romeo...it shouldnt matter...I just want productive play and W's.

We shouldn't even be worried about the QB position until we fix the O line and the front 7 on D. Only after improvement in these areas should we then look at upgrading the QB position. Until then, let Frye and DA play. I don't thin they're the long term solution, but no one brought in now will play well, because of the aforementioned problems.

BFFL....

The other side of that coin says that over the next 5 years we have our BEST chance at getting a QB high in the draft THIS Off-season. Building the Line will take time. One draft & FA isnt going to change the fortunes of the browns offensive line woes....

Get our QB this year and get as much line as we can through FA & the draft, and while the QB develops, continue to build the line through the draft and free agency over the next 3-4 years. By the time Anderson & Frye are done taking their beatings and playing themselves out of the league we will have a QB who has sat for several seasons over which time the offensive Line was adressed in 3-4 consecutive drafts.

The time is now.....as long as we do it RIGHT.

Mr Smith could be our Next Mr Kosar

[color:"white"] One draft & FA isnt going to change the fortunes of the browns offensive line woes....
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but if we would have began in 99, we would be there already. let's wait another year though........

[color:"white"]We could conceivably draft a starting tackle and guard in the first 3 rounds and sign a free agent early in the period. That would change this line in a heartbeat.[/color]

yep we coulda drafted guys like coleman and dorsey and we would still suck....

what we need is to draft legit talent when its available for the lines....don't see many different things we could have done in the last few years....might of had 1 or possibly 2 lineman on the team....if we picked linemen i place of perkins and wilson....but thats about it....

it sucks, and i'm thinkin it will change this year, but everyone acts like the ONLY problem this team has had is oline....

if we take this attitude into the draft we will have the next colman, and dorsey...damn..we don't even have a solid d yet....

[color:"white"]We could conceivably draft a starting tackle and guard in the first 3 rounds and sign a free agent early in the period. That would change this line in a heartbeat.

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i think we only need to fill two positions to turn it around. that's one in FA and draft the other.
we need as much help on the DL as we do on the OL though, so we need to leave room to bring these guys in also.

[color:"white"]yep we coulda drafted guys like coleman and dorsey and we would still suck.... [/color]

it would have been just as easy to put good player names in that statement.

[color:"white"] what we need is to draft legit talent when its available for the lines....don't see many different things we could have done in the last few years.... [/color]

you mean nobody drafted after our picks has made an impact in the entire league? you know better than that....

[color:"white"] everyone acts like the ONLY problem this team has had is oline....
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alot of that has to do with "follow the masses" <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
i do know that the OL problem has plagued us the longest since 99.