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I think taking away their right to drive

Most illegals have jobs and are paying taxes.

Their children do. Most illegals have jobs and are paying taxes.

Undocumented immigrants are paying their taxes today, too

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/us/taxes-undocumented-immigrants/index.html

Actually billions of dollars in taxes.

Look, I wish there weren't illegals here. I wish everyone would come here legally. But one thing I'm sure of. With over 11,000,000 of them here, that ship has sailed.

And yes, when I had a paper route, worked for farmers and was very young, I worked close enough to walk and ride a bike to work. But don't you think you're being just a tad silly to think that most people these days can do that and support a family?

I'm trying to take a reasonable look at the problem as it stands. Not try and make the current situation even worse.

Because the moment you get pulled over there's trouble. It may not stop them. But then you just opened another can of worms. Paying to keep them in jail while losing tax money they would be paying by working.

Well all we have to do is change 11,000,000 million people.

Well all we have to do is change 11,000,000 million people. You do realize they ended prohibition because they simply couldn't enforce it and wanted the tax money right?

It's not so much about giving them aid.

but the government has a long history of throwing the towel in and giving in, regardless on if you agree with them doing it or not.

the government had a REALLY good argument and justification for throwing in the towel during prohibition.

it didnt freaking work. same thing with the drug war.

and lets not forget, they threw in the towel in the 80's under republican jesus.

J/C

Anyone want to answer the question I posted?

"How are they paying taxes without a SSN? I always wondered this."

The government works for its citizens. If the citizens do not want prohibition, the government is to vote that way.

when the majority of America wants open boarders and no immigration laws, they can vote that way. Last poll I saw, the majority of voters and citizens want boarders and laws.

Chief Joseph: The Tragic Journey That Led to His Famous Surrender

On October 5, 1877 Chief Joseph and his tribe the Nez Perce surrendered to the U.S. Army. Learn about the tribe’s way of life and their final act of defiance.

B. Myint
Updated:
Jun 17, 2019
Original:
Oct 4, 2015

Icons of the Wild West: Chief Joseph



It was called the Nez Perce War, but for the native people of the Wallowa Valley, it was a fight for survival. In 1877 the federal government pressured the Nez Perce to give up millions of acres of their homelands to the feed the gold rush. Refusing to be forced onto a reservation, a band of about 700 men, women, children, and elders treked 1,400 miles from what is now eastern Oregon, crossing through Idaho, Montana and Wyoming in an attempt to reach Canada. Along the way, they faced exhaustion and starvation while battling 2,000 U.S. soldiers.

Sadly, they never reached their goal. Just 40 miles shy of the Canadian border, the group found themselves surrounded by the U.S. Army. By then, the frigid weather, dwindling supplies, and endless miles of merciless terrain had taken its toll. On this day in 1877, the war ended when Chief Joseph surrendered to U.S. General Nelson A. Miles, famously uttering: "From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever."
Nez Perce Warrior Photo



They call themselves Nimipu, the real people. Long before white settlers ventured into their territory, the Nez Perce occupied an estimated 28,000 square miles. Experts at breeding horses, they climbed atop their appaloosas and roamed across the vast stretches of grasslands west of the Rocky Mountains. Throughout the year, they would travel to where food was most available; crossing the Bitterroot Mountains to hunt buffalo, salmon fishing in the Columbia River, and harvesting camas root near the Clearwater River.

Named Nez Perce by French Canadian fur traders, the tribe had peaceful relationships with outsiders. When Lewis and Clark first met the Nez Perce in 1805, the weary and hungry explorers were greeted with a meal of buffalo, dried salmon, and camas bread. The tribe enjoyed strong relationships with members of their expedition, exchanging gifts and passing on local knowledge, such as canoe building.



But eventually those relationships began to fray. Although they had welcomed traders, missionaries, and explorers, the Nez Perce soon felt the oncoming tidal wave as more whites began to appear, attracted by the rich resources of their ancestral home. Chief Joseph once remarked: “It has always been the pride of the Nez Perce that they were the friends of the white men. But we soon found that the white men were growing very rich very fast and were greedy to possess everything the Indian had."

In 1855, the chiefs grudgingly signed a treaty with the U.S. government, giving them a reservation that included most of their traditional homelands. But soon after, gold was found within their territory -- a tragic discovery for the Nez Perce. Tens of thousands of Americans rushed to their reservation, in violation of the treaty. The U.S. government pressured the tribe to sign a new treaty, which took away 90% of the land away from the tribe. Some groups complied. Others, including Chief Joseph’s group, did not. Forced to leave the land of their ancestors, the group was relocated to Idaho. Along their journey, three young Nez Perce warriors, were believed to have massacred a band of white settlers. Fearing retaliation by the U.S. Army, the chief helped lead one of the great retreats in American military history.

Although it was a victory for the U.S. Army, for the Nez Perce the war was a tragedy. Forced to leave the land of their ancestors, the group journeyed through unforgiving wilderness for over three months. Many were killed, horses were lost, and members of the tribe were eventually taken prisoner or sent into exile.

Even today, Chief Joseph's famous surrender speech immortalizes him as a great leader during a deeply tragic time:







I am tired of fighting. Our chiefs are killed. Looking Glass is dead. Toohoolhoolzote is dead. The old men are all dead. It is the young men who say, "Yes" or "No." He who led the young men [Olikut] is dead. It is cold, and we have no blankets. The little children are freezing to death. My people, some of them, have run away to the hills, and have no blankets, no food. No one knows where they are -- perhaps freezing to death. I want to have time to look for my children, and see how many of them I can find. Maybe I shall find them among the dead. Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired. My heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever.

j/c:

I've always marveled about how upset some folks get about folks moving to a new location in order to pursue a better opportunity. I am fairly confident that most of our ancestors moved here from another land and stole it from the indigenous. Hell, we not only tried to work in this area, but we murdered them en masse and stole almost everything they had...........whether it be land or culture.

you never heard of an ITIN? and you worked in banking? jesus dude....

again, you work in banking and dont know how the ITIN works?

undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare.

however, the counter point is this: how many of those states already struggle with their own legal population?

there's a lot of states in this country who need illegals simply to produce for their GDP, or they'd be worse off than they are now.

and please dont come with this "humane" BS, willit

you support deregulation and such that has devastated our communities by rich people taking jobs from the US and giving them to foreigners thousands of miles away.

the humane thing IS to keep them here,

i would like them to be legal citizens as well, but unfortunately the way the immigration system is set up....that aint gonna happen anytime soon. so the next best thing is to...kick the can down the road.

The government works for its citizens. If the citizens do not want prohibition, the government is to vote that way.

when the majority of America wants open boarders and no immigration laws, they can vote that way. Last poll I saw, the majority of voters and citizens want boarders and laws.