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This makes a ton of sense.

That is interesting. Who would we take? Any FO going for this outside the coaches?

Would like to learn more about what needs doing there. And on a personal side note today on Valentine's Day, I am announcing, dawgs, that I am blessed with a wife who likes to watch football and is absolutely in love with watching the Combine drills in spite of the talking heads. I don't mean doing three other things while it is on. She watches drills and players and stats. She is no scout, but she is connecting the dots more between what she sees and the game. She impressed me. And shocked me when she wanted to watch it at length.

Now it does put me in mind of that great BB King fave I loved, "Only My Mama Loves Me, But Then She Could Be Jivin' Too." Maybe I have been bamboozled. I'll go with it, but she was asking this morning when The Combine was going to start. A blessing, I tell you. So in the spirit of reciprocity, I am trying to develop a grudging, openly half-hearted, honest tolerance for figure skating.

Normally the entire front office and coaching staff goes.

That seems to make more sense to me than them not going.

Not sure why this is being lauded as some great thing.

My guess is that the combine has a ton of down time for coaches, especially when their position group isn't working out. It makes some sense to have those coaches back at their own facility working on more ream focused activities then at the combine.

I think both can work but it is interesting to see things change.

I didn't read the article, but based on everyones comments, it seems like the two coaches are trying to reinvent the wheel and thought process, but anything those coaches are doing at headquarters, they could still do in Indy too.

My guess is that the thinking is that they can devote more time to the assigned team goals at the team headquarters than they can at the combine. That makes sense to me. Whether it is the right thinking is up for debate.

My thinking is teams have laptops, how they use their "downtime" is up to them. The work they'd do in the team facility can probably be done in Indy. The work they can do in Indy is hard to do back home. I suppose they could do interviews over Skype or something, but I'm not sure that's as beneficial as meeting in person.

I wonder if they just know some of the guys on staff are dogs, and likely to get themselves in trouble if they're away from their families. Based on stories from Mobile, the Draft, the Superbowl, etc, it can get pretty rowdy when the football world gets together.

See Kitchens, Freddie.

Your sig is sadly hilarious.

I can see a few coaches going, but you don't need the whole staff. Coaches coach. They aren't necessarily talent evaluators. I would include the head coach and the O and D coordinator. Maybe 3-4 of your top scouting staff.

How many eyes do you need there?

My other question is why was this an ESPN headline.

Who cares how many people they bring.

Going the way of baseball. Scouts are spending more time watching video and gathering data than they are on the road anymore.

Didn't know that, so my thanks. Share it with the wife.

Probably a better use of time. I would think scouts see more watching game tape v sitting in the stands watching the game.

You still need to hit the road, but probably more to watch practice. See how various guys prepare.

A scout doesn't need to go to the combine to watch a player press 225# or watch him vert 40".

According to the Browns web site, we have 30 people in the scouting department. Not all are scouts. I know we let the head of college scouting go a few weeks ago, but no big deal. Berry is filling that role right now.

A bunch of these guys are going to be terminated soon. Scouts usually work on 1 year deals, through the draft. Once the draft is over, they get another year or are not signed back.

If you have an interview with a TE, it'd probably be nice to have the TE coach there. I imagine talking technique is part of the interview. The guy who teaches the technique the player would be using might come in handy.

What's the point of putting them on the board or watching film with them if the guy who'd actually be doing that with them in a position group meeting type setting isn't there?

I want Callahan in the room with the OL prospects. What's your assignment here? What technique are you using? Why not this technique? What's your thought process?

I think I remember reading that the Browns drafted Justin Gilbert without having interviewed him. If so, it was a big mistake that could have been avoided.

Callahan is sr assistant or something of that nature. I would think he would go. Most of your coordinators have coached multiple positions in their career. I think they know what to ask tightends.

Combine interviews are limited....maybe 15 minutes. I don't think teams will have time to break down film in those sessions.

It was 60 15-minute interviews, but according to PFT is going to 45 18-minute interviews. link

This article talks about teams preparing quick cutups of players, often lowlights, to show/ask about during interviews:

link

What's the downside of having position coaches in interviews of players they'd potentially be coaching?

They can be on their laptops watching film, etc during the 40s and other timed/measured stuff. Could watch the field drills of their related position groups.

I think with our leadership, they tend towards more information is better when making decisions. I don't know how much they weight different things, but I don't think collaboration is only supposed to take place at the top. Why hire someone to coach a position if you don't value his/her insight about the position?

But just think of the time they saved. You can't find brilliance like that just anywhere.

Point taken.

Thanks for the info oninterview times. I couldn't find it.

I am not saying you can't take all the position coaches and I can't argue against your points. I just don't think it necessary. You don't need 15 coaches timing the same player.

In reality, they could probably get a better view of things watching on TV.

I don't know, as a HC or GM, I'd want all my people that I hired and trusted to be there to see things through their eyes

I still say position coaches could watch TV. Have your senior people there live, but hey, I don't really care other than it costs money. Another $60,000 to put another 4-5 assistants up and night or two isn't going to break the bank I suppose.


I just don't think it necesssary.

I tend to agree with you. Are there some things you can garner from the combine? Sure, but it's more of a dog and pony show. The NFL isn't a game played in shorts. The interviews are the most important thing and you don't need everyone there to conduct those. Actually the serious player interviews come before the draft in regards to players you are considering seriously in the draft.

There are groups of players at each level who have similar grades. Raw numbers at the combine can give certain players a slight edge within those groups, but little else.

Game film tells you what players do and do not know. What they see and do not see. Nothing is a substitute for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see some teams just stop sending anyone at all.

The measurements are published, the workouts are video taped, and can be recorded from multiple angles, interviews tend to happen at Pro Days or invites to the team facility..... the Combine is perhaps almost more traditional than necessary.

It is probably necessary. That is where all players get physicals. If they didn't bring everybody in for that, some players might have to go through 32 physicals.

The information gathered is useful, but no, teams don't need to have 15 people there. Just the top guys IMPO. The combine is also a place where deals are born. It's where GM's start talking about trade up or trade down, or this player might be available. Scouts aren't a part of that.

Want to be there for current drug test results!

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I would love to see Myles Garrett do to this drill.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw this. It should be fun to watch,overall.

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Hand size season is back!...

Former #Browns VP of Player Personnel Alonzo Highsmith spotted in a #Seahawks sweatshirt at the #NFL Combine and is joining their personnel department. Exact title to be determined.

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1231929549765718018

I was just waiting for that nonsense to kick up LOLetc.

I look forward to watching some of it. Wife loves it and is counting the days! Hope we find some help, especially considering those who are gone as well as those who are here.

We need some bad boys.

Ohio St defensive end Chase Young, the top prospect in
@MoveTheSticks
’ Top 50, is not planning to take part in drills for the NFL Scouting Combine this week, source says. He will be here for interviews and medicals, though.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1232001782668300291

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Lol...

happy Birthday!

Enjoy it all.

Pack your bail & stay outta jail! Seriously, be safe.

lol thats great

Silly season in one perfectly placed tweet!

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Well that's a new one...

But we have heard from so many that it shouldn't matter where they are, just check out the threads on Depo. He doesn't need to be at team HQ to devote time, so why should these coaches?