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Thats funny ...

And embarrassing.

Apparently SI was sold last year to a group that fired most of the staff there and replaced them with freelancers and bloggers. The magazine that used to publish work by writers like Dan Jenkins, Frank Deford, Tex Maule, and many other accomplished sports journalists now features guys in wizard hats from fan sites.

https://www.geekwire.com/2019/maven-seat...trated-layoffs/

Things fall apart, its scientific.

SI is basically a blog site except for a few people.

How many times do I have to tell you it's a crown, not a wizard's hat? And it's not the guy's photo, it's from a movie.

Thanks. I did not know that. I grew-up w/publications like SI. They did have some great writers. Very sad.

First I heard of it was in the last week or so when someone mentioned it here on DT, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger.

j/c...

j/c:

I bet he still avoids us like the plague.

We might do the same.

Browns are releasing LB Adarius Taylor, league source tells clevelanddotcom

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1229443841553506304

Per the article posted yesterday....

Interesting.

Also from the article:

None of these names are surprising. Carrie’s contract was too big for his role, Kush is a below replacement level starter, Harris completely underperformed, and Taylor is a special teamer who was getting paid too much.

My guess is that this is going to turn into a "cutting Dorsey's guys" thing. My response to that is that I would have guessed these guys would be cut even if Dorsey was still in charge. All of their contracts were greater than their value on the field.

Also to note, Olivier Vernon didn't get cut.

I used to get attached to players.. Anymore, they can cut or trade anyone they want as long as the replacement is better.

How so? Pretty expected in this corner.


Carrie might be the only mild surprise. Had John been here, the news would have probably been the same.


What are we talking about here? You didn't expect roster change?

Nor did Hubbard. Considering their lack of depth at these positions for the time being, I'm guessing they will be held on until other people are signed. And I'm speaking more about Hubbard than Vernon, but I don't think he is particularly safe either.

Let's redirect that to Schobert, please.

That's why, if I were going to be surprised by any of those names, it would have to be Harris. I wasn't a fan, but we are really bare at the TE position, especially when it comes to blocking.

Carrie was definitely overpaid, but we seem to always struggle for at least a couple games each year to field a competent secondary due to injuries piling up. Carrie offered some versatility despite not being a world-beater.

Demetrius Harris was a disappointment from the very first snap of 2019 but I get what you're saying regarding the TE position overall. Maybe Berry is really high on Njoku (was part of the crew that drafted him) and would like to actually play him this season. But only Carlson is alongside Njoku as having a contract w/ the Browns. The rest are on pace to be FAs in a month.

I'm guessing they feel like they can get an equally crappy TE like Harris for a lot less $.

The surprise cut to me among the players was Kush. I know he was a possibility and don't think he is great or anything but seemed like he could be depth at both guard positions.

j/c:

Glad the Analytics guys are back in charge. With Dorsey, we had to read boring stories about all his trades and signings. The Analytics guys provide us exciting reads where we are cutting players so we can save $2 million on a particular player.

Let the good times roll...

None of these cuts are a surprise. Carrie was set to make $8.1M this season and the performance didn't warrant the money.

2019 PFF grades for the players released:

Carrie: 56.4
Taylor: 41.7
Kush: 45.4
Harris: 44.9

I love how people's asses are chapped for cutting bad players/contracts so we can allocate it elsewhere.

I think Wyatt Teller made him expendable.

The only guy I view as a Dorsey guy is Harris. Outside of that, all these other guys were likely to get cut anyway.

Harris would have likely gotten another opportunity under Dorsey.

I'd consider Carrie a Dorsey guy. He was the one who signed him to a four-year, $31 million contract that included $15.50 million guaranteed.

I know right? We should be doing all these trades and signings of other teams' pending FAs even though we're not allowed to yet.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Goodell!

4 down:

Player 2020 Cap Dead Cap Savings
Travis Carrie 8150000 1800000 6350000
Demetrius Harris 3500000 1000000 2500000
Adarius Taylor 2950000 500000 2450000
Eric Kush 2425000 350000 2075000
Totals: 17025000 3650000 13375000


3 to go:

Player 2020 Cap Dead Cap Savings
Christian Kirksey 9950000 2400000 7550000
Chris Hubbard 7300000 2400000 4900000
Morgan Burnett 4825000 1325000 3500000
Totals: 22075000 6125000 15950000

I hope not. LB, OT, and safety are positions where we are seriously thin on talent. I get why you want to cut those guys, but it makes no sense until you have clear upgrades.

We literally can’t sign or trade anyone right now. Cutting players is the only thing we can do right now.

Also, who made more trades than Sashi Brown? I’m not sure excitement is what we should be looking for out of the front office.

Burnett tore his Achilles, he may not even be able to play. Hubbard is sub replacement level. Kirksey has played nine games in two years and is average when he does play. These are not the type of guys we should worried about cutting. We can sign guys to one year contracts and replace their production.

j/c

The thing is that nobody should be either excited nor upset about cutting these players. None of them seems to be the core talent we have. They were depth players.

As has been pointed out, we can't go out and replace them right now.

The only way we can measure the good or bad in any of this is when we see what moves they make to replace them and how the players we cut perform elsewhere.

Let's use Carrie as an example. Last season was his worst yet. Is that on Carrie or is it on the coaching staff? Was he used properly? The only way you'll get a clear answer to that is to see how he performs at his next destination. If he is used differently and performs better, it would appear they made poor judgement by blaming the player for the results.

Like I said, it's too early to tell about that.

If we improve their positions or get equal players for less money, it will be a win. If we don't, it will be a loss. Only time will tell for sure.

I do find one thing odd though. What we all seem to agree on is that Freddie was a terrible coach. Yet many wish to try and analyze player performance under a terrible coach. In the end it may not be that simple.

They ARE the guys you worry about cutting when they're the best you've got. If we can sign a guy that's better w/o much effort, then let's do that and then we can cut starters.

Like I said, I get that we want someone better/more reliable at those positions, but cutting players doesn't get us any closer to having a competent player in there. It only opens up the possibility that you get worse.