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The roster assembled point to the fact it wasn't "all Hue". He did suck as the HC. That we certainly agree on. But nobody can actually look at that roster and claim it was not also a huge problem.

Never heard you complain about this when folks complained loudly and constantly for the last few years after Sashi was fired.

I do agree that the debate is stupid, but probably for the exact opposite reason you do. In another thread you mentioned it didn't matter who was driving the bus as long as the team wins. The fact of the matter that it does matter who is driving the bus when it comes to wins and losses. Haslam, in all his tampering glory, decided to fire Dorsey who went 13-18-1 and stocking the roster w/talent and instead go back to the guys who went 1 and 31 in two years and made terrible player evaluation time after time.

So yeah, I guess it is stupid for anyone to debate that these moves are making the team better. It is laughable to even contemplate how anyone can debate that the Browns are better off for firing Dorsey and his crew and bringing back the guys who had the worst record in the league. Yet somehow, some folks are incredulous as to how anyone would doubt that Jimmy just screwed up again.

I mean, we get rid of Dorsey who helped develop the Super Bowl winning champs in KC and has made significant improvements to the Browns roster and replaced him w/a group that has done what? Seriously, what football teams did Depo help before he got here? And the dude can't even commit to Cleveland and instead resides in lovely San Diego. LOL...........it's like one of the greatest cons of all-freaking-time.

So again, I agree w/you that it is is a stupid debate.

Good, I am glad he does. Jimmy as found his voice of reason. We should all be happy.

Uhmmm .. ok .. so why was Dorsey able to "Flex his muscles" and pick his Head Coach ( Freddie ) over Depo's choice of Stefanski ?

#Inquiringmindswanttoknow

That isn't a fair question. You are expected to toss softballs.

No fair throwing a Maddox fastball 5 inches off the outside corner until the last 2 feet to catch the corner.

Greg Maddox was unfair. It was almost like a screwball, only about 15 MPH faster.

WOW was that Charles Robinson, Ben Axelrod, or Roger Brown.

seemed to think, it appears, seemingly growing, I’m now more certain than ever, I think everyone, who many believed, I believe it, I think, perhaps.

100 percent opinion piece. From a guy who doesn't know.

Actually that was a softball. He was talking about last year. Not what we see happening now.

As has been said already... I don't think anyone will more than halfheartedly argue against releasing any of these players.

Carrie was overpaid. People were arguing he was overpaid the day we brought him in... and if forced to say yes or no, I would agree. Definitely not the worst FA contract given out, but we overpaid a bit. Mitchell had him beat out from day 1.

I would've preferred Harris get cut after he got beat out by a new person in TC. I hate making weak units weaker before we bring in replacements. Still, Harris is Just A Guy, so the braintrust should be able to find a body or two that are significant improvements.

Actually, Berry cut the players. He is the GM. And why not cut unproductive players to build cap space to add other players?

Seems like a smart plan to me.

The goal/plan is probably to underpay for ascending talent rather than overpay for descending talent. Lock down the greats, but otherwise go young. That's how the NFL is setup. Mid-level vets get squeezed out or agree to team friendly deals.

If this helps us hang onto some of our talent that could walk and/or shore up weak units via FA, you won't see anything other than thumbs up or smiles from me.

It is the plan.

It costs more and more to sign the top 30% of the leagues players. Teams have a spending floor. They spend for those guys. They save money by squeezing the 4-5 year vet who is decent, but not a great player.

That vet is going to be better than most you draft in any given year, but if you have contracts for guys like Mayfield, Garrett, Chubb and a few others, you have to save money somewhere.

It's like that on every team. The more contracts you have worth keeping the harder the choices become.

I don't have any real problem with cutting any of the players they cut. Harris, Kush, and Taylor were real non-factors. Carrie probably was over-priced for his production. These are the kinds of moves that happen every off-season.

I agree YTBF.

I warned that as soon as we released some guys, some posters would raise heck, like they expected the roster to remain the same.

Thanks for the balance that you have shown for 20 years.

Some people raised Cain when we cut Collins last year as well. However, he was not worth what he was being paid based on his play here. Also, based on the fact that we were moving to a 4-2-5 alignment as our primary defense, it made perfect sense that he would be the 1st one out the door.

There is usually little real controversy in the 1st moves a team makes after the season.

In other news, the Browns filed a tax return to get back a refund in over-paid taxes. More Moneyball madness from this front office.

only 21 days until Free Agency begins..... and we can get some REAL news.

Were you upset when Dorsey didn't? I honestly don't remember.

Do ya think? You should invoke the 24hr rule between typing and posting.

Which Haslam??? I mean Dee's name is listed above Jimmy's on ClevelandBrowns.com

Yeah, we went from one of the least talented rosters in the NFL to a roster everyone in the nation was talking about being in the playoffs. That sure upset me.....

He made 7 million.

So the argument now is that we need to keep high priced players that suck on our roster? Are we calling back Kenny Britt? Andre Rison?

I'm glad we had DePodesta around to draft Chubb, Baker, and Ward. And trade for OBJ, Landry, and others. Great moves by Depo!

pfft, we need another dwayne bowe signing to get everybody amped up!

Do you drink a lot before you post?
Same [censored], day after day after day.

Hey, they don't always work.


That is why baseball is special. It is the hardest sport. If you find success as a hitter 30% of the time, you are considered a HOF player.

I should have told that to my 9th grade Algebra teacher. My 65% would have locked me in for sure.

There is no doubt that Dorsey has been our best GM since the return. And there is also no doubt that he should not have been fired. I agree the real player comment probably did not go over too well but they were shredding payroll and cutting proven veterans as well as trading down too often to collect capital. Absolutely deserving the real player quote.

There is no doubt Dorsey sealed his future with the hiring of Freddie but I do not feel it was the correct move. Nobody is perfect and as many have posted getting any kind of positive consistency from this team might not ever happen with Haslem in charge.

What bothers me most is that Haslem has admitted to being too impatient and that he would be more patient. NOPE!!!!! Farmer and Savage were given much more rope and had half the production of Dorsey. (I know Savage was from a previous regime)

It is hard for me to lump Berry in with Sashi and Depo as I strongly believe it was Sashi's plan to tear the team down to the bones and build a foundation of cap space and draft capital. A plan Sashi implemented to a T. However, I believe that Hue should have been able to achieve at least three wins each year. But I will say that with Kizer and the QB carousel the following year I am not surprised by the record.

So I sit here cautiously optimistic moving into this season. The talent is there. I do like the staff. We will see what Berry can do throughout the FA period and draft. I hope he is better than past GM's we have had but we will have to wait and see.

Go Browns!!!!!

Good to see you back contributing VERS

I just find it ..... odd ..... that the Browns supposedly have the GM/HC/Depodesta set up as a tri-pod, each reporting to Haslem ..... yet who set up the interview process(es) for HC and GM, and who had a vote in each case?

It seems odd that Depodesta would be on equal footing with Berry and Stefanski, when he helped hire both.

I'm thinking you don't have any idea what's going on...