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Well played.

157 pounds of MJ... Yikes.....

Here is a photo of 150 pounds

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Holy cow!

If PFF's analysis of Conklin is accurate I wouldn't pursue him for the price he's likely to demand. Take a second LT relatively high and you can get decent run blocking and mediocre pass protection on a rookie deal. I'd draft Niang, Hunt or Cleveland and live with the production and keep the cap space. If they want a veteran sign Rashod Hill from the Vikings. He's played in Stefanski's scheme. He was adequate when they had an injury at RT. Still draft a RT to develop.

I know they didn't. Not sure if you think I did, but we agree.

The guy is a idiot. He will be lucky if he doesn't spend 7-8 years in prison.

I can empathize with someone who might get caught with a LB or two, but 157lbs? Hard to do. You are beyond a user and someone trying to hook up a few friends.

I mean, seriously, how stupid is that guy? It's not like he was trying to figure out how to feed or put shoes on his kids growing feet.

Screw him. He deserves the book because some people are desperate and are forced to do stuff like that.

I am not sticking up for them, but can understand and would lean towards some leniency. Not so much here. The guy isn't desperate. He's just a thug who doesn't care.

Sorry man, see ya in 8 years, if you behave well. If not, serve the other 5, and maybe more if you are totally stupid. He could be up for 20-25 years.

Was Robinso trying to start his own cartel?

It was all for personal use.

Bring him back!

I saw this....I wonder if Shanahan might have use for Gabriel again?

Aren't the guys that cut him [minus Sashi] back in charge?

Alongside guys like TJ Carrie and Joe Thomas, Gabriel was right up there with the tag of "good people" I had the privilege to meet.

Yup. It was a mistake to cut him. It didn’t make any sense at the time.

I remember there was talk of it on the board. It was a quiet, but fairly interesting debate.

If I have my years right, I think he had a pretty good year w/some very big plays when Shanny was here. The next year, his production slipped and he battled injuries. He was cut the following year. I think I have that right. It's just my recollection.

I don't think it was some huge controversy, though. Just a minor one.

Taylor was cut in favor of Andrew Hawkins being on the roster his final year with the team in '16. This was Hue's decision. Andrew Hawkins has discussed this on his podcast with Joe Thomas.

Hue and Hawk had a relationship from their time in Cincinnati together.

Side note, Hawk tells a funny story of the time he had to room with Marvin Lewis.

I could have sworn that Gabriel was on the 2015 roster. I also think that while Hawkins was kept on the 2016 roster probably because of his ties to Hue, that Ricardo Louis, Higgins, and Jordan Payton were drafted that year and they weren't going anywhere? Corey Coleman was drafted that year, too..........but, it's obvious he wouldn't have been considered as a potential cut.

In other news, Hue Jackson is responsible for global warming and coronavirus disease.

Gabriel was on the 2015 roster when Mike Pettine was the HC and Shanny was running the offense.

It's not my story. It's Andrew Hawkins and Joe Thomas' story.

Also, this isn't a big deal 4 years later. It's quite common for coaches to keep players they're familiar with. Happens all the time in the NFL.

Just clarifying and I am not attacking you. There are different ways to look at things.

There are different questions here.

Was Hue given the choice of who to cut among all the receivers? Or was he asked who he preferred between Hawkins and Gabriel?

I think the latter is true, because frankly, I bet Hue would have chose to cut Payton if had a real choice. All FOs want to keep their guys. Neither Hawkins or Gabriel were the FO's guys. The draft choices were.

Now, if you want to argue that Hue should have chosen Gabriel over Hawkins, I would say that their play after the fact proves you would be correct. I just don't think it is as simple as that.

It's a message board, I would say I never feel "attacked."

Listening to Hawk and Thomas tell the story, I presume it was either Hawk or Gabriel, but I was not in the building to say definitively. If I recall, Thomas said something along the lines of "they certainly weren't keeping both of you shrimps on the roster" and Hawk replied how his connection to Hue is why Hue chose him over Gabriel.

Gabriel followed Shanny to ATL and it worked out best for his career. Shanny was able to get the most out of him. It worked out best for Gabriel in the long run.

Agree, FOs certainly like to keep their guys. We see it all the time.

Glad you brought up the shrimps part. Now that your brought it up, I remember that being a point of contention. It was discussed that Taylor and Gabriel were the two guys that were considerations for being cut because they were both smaller WRs. I forgot about that.

I think both the FO drafting guys and the size of the two WRs you brought up were both worthy considerations. I know it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot because it was so long ago, but I appreciate true conversation that concentrates on the truth.

Thanks.

As I recall, Gabriel had a lot of drops in crucial situations in the previous year, and that also played a part in the considerations.

J/C

If we deem Conklin a good fit for ZBS and worth it, then getting him and drafting an OT would certainly go a long ways to help our O

As always, Milk.....thanks for the knowledge. I gotta start listening to that podcast more.

They have the same body type, but they're not the same receiver. Odd that they would be lumped together. Gabriel is more of a speedy guy, right? Hawk was that shifty slot receiver.

I think you are at least partially right, but there were some similarities. Like I said earlier, I believe the FO didn't want any of their 4 drafted WRs to be cut and the coaching staff was tasked on choosing between Gabriel and Hawk.

My contention is that no way Payton should have been kept over either guy. I doubt [but, could be wrong] that the FO would bring back Gabriel considering the past and that is how this entire conversation began.

I don't remember where we were in terms of wanting to dump the dead weight we had at WR. With the benefit of hindsight, yes. Gabriel was better than Payton... but there was a point in time that we pretty much knew what Gabriel was and wasn't, and Payton was that tempting unknown.

I like the Hawk.

Speaking of Payton ... what a crappy WR draft that turned out to be ... Coleman, Louis, Payton, Higgins.

Higgins situation was so strange too

It was a fairly poor draft for WR's that year. Why thy chose to draft so many mid round WR's in such a weak WR draft class it still a mystery I don't have an answer to.

We had no real receivers, and the fan base, for years, had been crying for them. The previous GM, Farmer, felt you could get receivers anywhere and did not try to get any.

Needing WR's and drafting them in the mid rounds in a weak WR draft class just makes no sense. I understand the need, but not if you aren't improving at the position. Wasting draft picks on weak talent is a waste of resources.

I agree ... it was a real head scratcher

The did pass on Michael Thomas twice, though. Yet, they call us "ignorant" for saying we prefer Dorsey over the "smart" guys.

Dorsey passed on the league MVP twice.

Why was that?

Bad GMing. Obviously.

Meant to ask "Who?".

Lamar Jackson.

I see what you meant. I was thinking 2 different MVPs.