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I am actually not a Trump voter. I did not vote in the last election. I did not vote for Trump or Clinton. I voted for Ted Cruz in the primaries. That said, I think Trump did a decent job in his first term. I would rather have Trump than any of the Dem candidates, and I see the extreme hatred of leftists, especially those who support Sanders. So, unlike last time, I will vote for Trump. He is not the ideal choice, but he is the best choice

As I said,I do not discriminate. Dems teach anti discrimination, which I agree with. But then they tell me to discriminate against Trump based on his morality. That is hypocritical

And the choices on the Democrat side are horrible, imo. Just watch the debates.

I have often voted for people who have qualities I dislike. You have to weigh the pros and cons. If it comes down to Trump vs Sanders, which it likely will, I cannot in good conscience vote for Sanders. I do not believe in government opposed socialism, his history is filled with radical extremism that makes Trump look like a choir boy, he is anti evangelical, as proven by his treatment of Russell Vought ( Vought merely had said what every evangelical believes, in an in house debate of a private Christian institution), he is pro abortion up to birth, ( or at least he will not come out and say his position), he cannot tell how he is going to pay for all the stuff he’s giving away, he speaks well of bad people like Castro, do I need to go on?

I’m surprised I didn’t vote for Trump last time, as Hillary was also a terrible choice. But I left it in God’s hands. Btw, according to my faith, whoever gets elected is actually determined by God in the final say, either as a blessing or a curse. But he still wants us to participate, because he uses means to obtain His purpose. Not that He needs to, but that is His Soveriegn decision

1. I have offered to leave, but people keep talking to me

2. My last post was on topic for the most part. Also I was on topic if you go back to before somebody posted memes that imo were irreverent towards Jesus. Do that to a Mohammed in the wrong place, and you’re dead at the hand of a Moslem. As a Christian, I don’t go that far., that is way too extreme. All I did was correct it, and other people turned it into a theological discussion

3. I will say it for about the fourth time, if people stop bringing it up, I will stop. They can’t stop and I won’t stop until they do. So you all just stop bringing it up. Or if someone does, tell THEM to make a new thread

Thanks in advance

Sorry - I think this is another one of religions bogus line of thinking. "If God Wills it" ... That's not a Christian mantra, but what you just wrote is not a very far away. "It's God's Plan" .... Personally I believe God doesn't care which sport team wins, doesn't care which babies are born healthy or disabled ... I mean the list is endless. Where does personal accountability end and where does God's plan begin? If every thing is ultimately God's plan then every atrocity, every mass killer and murder was God's Plan.... We may as well not bother making a difference because whether we do or not - it is all God's plan. You can come up with some eloquent reason that we should try to make a difference ... but ultimately if no-one tried to make a difference ever again ..... that would be God's plan.

It's the ultimate 'fit the argument to the facts after the event' ...

And I hope that you and every other Christian that believes this will repeat the same darn thing if Bernie or Warren or some other fundamentally left of center Dem is the next POTUS.

Safe to say this thread moved on from the original topic ... but let's face it: It was God's plan for it to change direction.

You’re entitled to your opinion. My statement is not a mantra. It is a biblical teaching. You don’t believe the Bible. Fine. I do. And the Bible teaches exactly what I said. Book of Daniel, book of Isaiah, book of Luke, even.

Ok with that out of the way, we can talk about Trump again

That’s a misrepresentation of what I said. So was the sports team analogy. These are called Strawman arguments and comparing Sports and message boards to governance is the most ridiculous category error I have ever seen

God is not an Athelete , sports fan, or a social media player.

I never said that you did ... but Sports teams pray before each game and ask God to help them win the game. The message board comment was in jest. But if God is Omnipotent - and if you think God influences our daily lives either because of rewarding devout disciples or on a whim ... where is the line between governance of what is important and what is trivial and not worthy of governance?

I don’t think teams ask God to help them win. Not in group prayer. Asking God to help you to play to the best of your ability, be a good sportsman, etc perhaps

It is not difficult to discern what is important and what is trivial. I don’t know why you would ask me that

God does not act on a whim. And we are stewards and accountable for managing His earth. So His Soverienty does not eliminate our responsibility.

Back to topic yet?

And yet you’d vote for more of this...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...lute-waterways/

You guys are doing so well. I don't want to jump in, but like an idiot, I will.

I think omnipotence is being taken as whatever happens, occurs, etc, it is God's will and we as humans have no control. I look at God, he/she, and omnipotent as we, humans, have free will. We can do what we choose. However, he/she knows what we will choose.

That may be a super fine line in your opinion, and that's fine.

And for the record, I don't believe God cares who wins a game.

Back to reading you guys now.

I have not yet voted for anything. If I am swayed, the most that will happen is I will not vote or I will vote for a third candidate, if one is worthy

I am close to what you believe. I will add two cents

A. As RC Sproul said, we are free, but God is more free

B. When our freedom bumps up against the Will of God, guess who wins, Sproul also says

C. God does not force man, but He exercises an influence over man

D. Sometimes He turns the heart of a personto do His Will without the person knowing

E. Sometimes a person would do evil and God thwarts Him. Other times He forebears. Why this is so is according to His overall purpose

F. He does not cause all things, but works all things to the furtherance of His Will

G. God is never the author of sin. But He either restrains it or forebears. This too is according to the Design that He has purposed

H. The fact that God foreknown all things does not mean that He is the author of evil. Foreknowledge is not necessarily causative

If anyone wants to discuss this further, we need to make a new thread

I forget who said it:

"The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict."

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

"There comes a time when silence is betrayal."

Abortion is wrong.






Sorry I got carried away. Continue without my opening my big mouth.

I'm not accepting evil. I'm refusing to promote evil by refusing to support or promote the wretched candidates and policies of the Democratic party.

If you support the Democratic party, you are supporting evil

The democratic party is evil? Where did you get that, Unicorns 2:31? PUHlease, take that trash to the dump.

I’m with GM. Abortion is wrong. And I add it is evil

I’m curious as to something. In your worldview, how do you define evil?

What is the basis for morality in your worldview?

On what basis is anything evil in your worldview?

We’re just evolved animals resulting from random mutations, right? Do you call animals evil. Do you think animals are moral creatures?

I never called an animal evil. Animals are not moral creatures. And in your worldview, we are evolved animals. So morality would be a process of evolution, basically chemical in nature. Therefore, morality would either be random or pragmatic. Either random or beneficial. Well often what is beneficial to one organism is harmful to another. Is that evil in the animal kingdom? No, it’s merely how life works in the animal kingdom

Morality in a naturalistic worldview would merely be pragmatic. So there would be nothing immoral about lying, polygamy, adultery,

These things would just be according to our mores

And as a result, it’s no big deal to kill a bag of protoplasm in the womb, whether at 24 weeks or just before birth. Because it’s a bag of protoplasm

And if one group oppresses the other, whats immoral about one bag of protoplasm oppressing another bag of protoplasm

We’re all just bags of evolved cells bouncing off each other

Claiming humans get their morality and sense of what is right and wrong from the Bible or any religion is simply a gross lie.

Not my argument. I did not say that. I know that Morality existed before the Bible AND religion If you had read the Bible, you would know that the Bible does not claim good and evil originated in the Bible or religion. That idea would completely contradict what our scripture teaches

So now, where do you get your morality. What is the basis of morality in YOUR worldview?

Btw, do you mean to say that you define morality as “ one’s SENSE of right and wrong”? How are chemical reactions in the brain determinant of what is right and wrong.

Jc

That trash press conference he gave over the virus, combined with the CDC on a different page, AND combined with the markets completely opposite reaction on his speech is not a good sign moving forward.

As I said before, the clown can’t be blamed for the virus and global slowdown, but he will most certainly be judged on how he handles it.

Well we went from decent conversation to this. This is the exact same thing as saying if you support Trump you are supporting Racism and must therefore be racist.

My morality? Society gives me some of it. The laws of the land provide some of it. I'd guess most of it comes from my parents - and my father was the most honest and decent human being I ever met yet on this planet. He was agnostic. My mother was one of the most empathetic people I ever met. She was going to be a Nun until she met my father.

Think I'll exit this conversation while it's still only strange. You want to believe in the Bible and use that as a justification or answer for everything, knock yourself out. In your own mind you might think it answers or wins a debate ... in reality it does not. Far from it.

By your definition of morality, based on society, law, parents, etc ...then for some people Nazi Germany, Soviet Union gulags, etc can be moral to some people in some settings

Naziism was the law of the land, accepted by a larger part of German society, and sometimes taught by parents to their children. Therefore, those are extremely poor foundations for morality

Morality cannot be defined by any of things you mentioned

Lol, If you read my posts, I actually didn’t use the Bible at all in my answers to this question of morality. Why are you making things up?

I actually didn’t give a position at all. I asked others for their position. And your position is untenable. See previous post

See - you have "smartest guy in the room" syndrome. Except that it's simply in your own head that you are.

With regard to your great many OTHER posts - you use your religion as the backbone of your answers to most topics. Our conversation has lasted for more than one or two posts about morality. In fact I wasn't part of that discussion and saw it this morning. And my last post encompassed the entire conversation containing (mostly) religious based answers from you .... but you know, go ahead and be selective in how you interpret my comment why don't you! LOL

You didn't give a position at all? No - that's what people do who are trying to set up a debate to suit themselves. We see it here all the time - instead of stating an opinion you try to draw someone into a comment that may or may not mean quite what was intended and they you come in with a canned answer with a specific angle.

There are literally dozens and dozens of religious web sites set up to answer difficult and challenging holes in the bible. And when the bible is glaringly contradictory or obviously incorrect - the argument becomes about 'literal translation' .... I see or sense a lot of that with your positions on different subjects. So - no thanks. I don't want to engage in such B.S.

Finally - if someone can write in earnest that they believe voting Dem is a vote to support Evil .... then I think we can all safely say the conversation needs to end and I for one will back away and disengage.

My question about morality is not a religious one, unless you think morality only exists in religion. Personally I don’t think morality exists only in religion.

Point is, you cannot give a consistent basis for morality. By your definition,(based on society, law and upbringing) the evil Nazis and murderous communist regimes were moral in their setting

Nice collection of strawmen and red herrings in your post, though.

First, this is not a subject for an open thread in this place because anything you say will be weaponized against you at some point.

Second, just because I'm Atheist doesn't mean I don't have a sense of right and wrong or compassion for others. I also live in the same society that you live in and our sense of morality stems from that as much as any book. If you were raised in a tribal barbaric society where raiding, pillaging, raping, taking slaves, and killing other tribes was normal then you would draw your morality from that.

It's not rocket science, just don't get stuck on your faith when you think about it. And from now on, I prefer PMs if you want to talk about personal things.

Btw, by your basis of morality,( based on law, society, and upbringing )same sex marriage was immoral on at least two of the three points what? A few decades ago?

Inconsistent basis of morality

Bro smfh...

Then tell us where you get your sense of morality from without using religion.

Evil is described to me as humans who call other humans evil. End of discussion.

Lol, got it. Saying Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Manson, Pol Pot, are evil is the definition of evil

Btw, I never said any person is evil in this thread. It was Mgh888 who brought up evil anyways.

You said Democrats are evil.

The question is not where does a sense of morality come from. The question is what is the basis for morality

Sense of morality varies from person to person, due to the hardening of conscience, pride. Self centeredness, etc

Where? Post number, please.

That's the one. Thanks.