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....Great news,...glad to see Tucks coming along..

Ain't nothin' wrong with having some quality depth on the OL!!

I am so up over the " O " Line ( Finally ) that everything else is not quiet so serious.. Sure I want win now , but I see big , big things in a couple of seasons !

Now we can go back and build the front seven on the " D " ...

C'mon Bentley!! Join the Group!
We have a solid line and depth ... wow what a concept

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U buy and sell all the crap U guys are fed ..why the heck do i need to go back to preseason games when he took a few reps against first stringers but the majority was against second stringers?

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Prove it

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ANYONE..I said ANYONE can look good in preseason..Frye did

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No, Frye didn't.. He looked average.. But he was the better of the two experienced guys...

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Don't be so naive..I don't base overall performance on preseason but what they do when it COUNTS Daman..

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Who is doing that.... Look man.. The issue is,, you don't think that Tucker is Versatile.... Peen showed you that he is some experience at RG and that could make him versatile.. YOUR next comment was that he wasn't as good as McKinney,,, And I wanted to know what heck that has to do with whether or not Tucker is Versatile..

In letting you know over and over again that Tuck played RG in Preseason, I mentioned that he did a pretty good job... how is that taking Preseason and making it sound more important than it is? Did I say he was Perfect,,, did I say he was Assume,,,, Did I ever mention him being better than anyone else... NOPE, I did not! And I won't,, cause I don't know YET! (more on the use of the word YET in a moment)

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U mad cuze I don't easily swallow the tea U and Peen and a few others indulge in..I hear the burps now

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What freakin tea are you talking about... the tea that says that Tucker is Versatile, the tea that says tucker played RG in preseason, the Tea that Frye will be the next SB MVP,,, What is it you think we are believing?

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Go ahead start the bellyaching.."Attack is always disagreeing with us..blah blah.."

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Usually, when a poster writes a line like this he knows it's coming and he knows he deserves all that crap that he gets for being a bit on the hard headed side.. in other words, you've been called and your afraid to answer or to be a man and say,,, Whoops,,, I blew it,, I'm sorry...

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I 'm not calling Tucker versitile yet..

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YET,,, Your not calling him versitile yet? Your changing you tone a little.. a couple of hours and a few of your posts ago, he was NOT versitile... Now he might be

Do you realize, to avoid all of this, all you had to say was "I'm not calling Tucker versitile yet"? Did you know that that is all that was needed.. instead, you decided he WASN'T!

The word "YET" can be very very powerful!

I give up on you on this subject Attack,,,,

You can respond if you like, but I'm done with this.. I've just spent 15 minutes writing this,,, and that's 15 minutes I'll never get back So I'm Done

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Your imagination is running wild again Attack

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I couldn't have said it better myself. I know I am new to this message board, but damn it almost seems like this Attack guy argues just for the sake of arguing. Weird, but to each there own.

U want me to prove the tea leaves U sip?
Peen showed you that he is some experience at RG and that could make him versatile.
First..Peen didn't show me anything..second some experience at RG doesn't automatically MAKE HIM versitile..

Dang they played Brodney Pool at CB one game last year..does that mean he's versitile?
The issue is,, you don't think that Tucker is Versatile....
He's not a proven piece there yet..


In letting you know over and over again that Tuck played RG in Preseason, I mentioned that he did a pretty good job...
Thats preseason dude..not filling in for the real games where he's going aginst against # 1DT's all game at a new position.
Thats the spot I would like to see him go to because he's not going to win the RT spot again..Shaffer is playing well over there..

YOUR next comment was that he wasn't as good as McKinney,

O.k..if you read the above article..where is Tucker practicing at ?
RT..FOR NOW..so it means someone may get released either Butler or Dorsey..
Now get in mind Bentley is going to be evaluated next..so what happens if he's cleared to play?
Where's he going?
Not center...I would gather RG...follow me? His other pro bowl position..
Depending on how he is, a healthy( realitively speaking) good to go Bentley at RG is better than Tucker at RG..
So if Tucker isn't at least better or even with McKinney at RG , he's not going to be backing him up...so just how versitile do u guys see him as?

Usually, when a poster writes a line like this he knows it's coming and he knows he deserves all that crap that he gets for being a bit on the hard headed side.. in other words, you've been called and your afraid to answer or to be a man and say,,, Whoops,,, I blew it,, I'm sorry...


I have never been afraid to answer anything, so don't kid yourself..U guys dodge a lot of questions especially the ones I ask about Rac and Frye..
YET,,, Your not calling him versitile yet? Your changing you tone a little.
Why should I call Tucker versitile ?
Has he played there for a while ?
No he hasn't..so he's not a proven commodity at RG is he?
Would I like him to be able to move inside?
I said that months ago because we knew Shaffer was going over there.

Interesting tidbit from from the main site:

"...Starting center during the last two seasons at TCU after moving from left tackle..."

I didn't realize that he played LT in college.

So...RT, RG, C, LT...yep...that adds up to 4. Shoot...you gotta think a versatile guy like that could hang at LG as well. Naw.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/player.php?id=164

Tucker has spent most of this decade as a starting right tackle, for the Rams and, since 2002, the Browns.

College is one thing..he hasn't played any of those other positions in the pros except a brief stint at RG.

According to Attack, his college experience may not count cause he didn't do it in an NFL game

Also his brief stint in 1999 when he played both tackle positions as well for StL. Nah no way this guy can have an ounce of versatility in him.

Oh stop Fletch,, you're killing me

How can Fletch kill something thats already dead?

Sounds like U two are becoming Soup/Mensa :
Oh and Fletch try putting Tucker at LT and see what would happen to our QB..the floodgates would open up..there's a reason he plays RT and not LT..


See thats the problem U and a few others have... you think because a player was placed in another position that makes him good..
Newsflash people it doesn't..

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you think because a player was placed in another position that makes him good..
Newsflash people it doesn't..

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Who said that? Are you trying to say I am saying this? Show me where I said this.

No matter you said he isn't versatile when in fact the man has played 3 of the 5 positions on the Oline during his NFL career. Why not just be a man admit you were wrong about Tucker and move on instead of trying to put words into others mouths as you try to back peddle out of what YOU said. No one said how good or bad he was(it was about being versatile, and you were wrong period. Deal with it.

What Attack is saying is that yes he's played 3 positions, but we only know of 1 position that he can play well (RT).........as for the other 2...1 he sucked (LT) and the other is a ??? because he really only got some reps in Pre Season.

Attack's point is that just because he's played 3 spots doesn't mean he can play them well........or even adequate. Therefore, his versatility is still in question.


Right Attack???

Yeah... funny how U see that and these few can't..

Why not just be a man admit you were wrong about Tucker and move on instead of trying to put words into others mouths as you try to back peddle out of what YOU said. No one said how good or bad he was it was about being versatile, and you were wrong period. Deal with it.

I'm dealing with U and these other misinformed posters..so he played OT with the Rams a few games..thats it..he played RT for 10 years..and got reps in preseason playing RG ..
Now he's practicing AGAIN at what position? RT...not RG..RT..
So show me this so-called versitility...has he played RG an entire season here?
Whats he played ?
RT...
Certain players are always OVER VALUED in here..nothing new..

I never said he played them well, I said he played them while Attack on the other hand said he isn't versatile which isn't true given the information on Tucker.

If Attack wanted to make the point you suggested he should have instead of just just saying what he said, but he didn't and made himself look wrong.

Thats not on me, thats Attack and his lack of knowledge, now he can talk about him being good bad or whatever at any position, but the fact is he was wrong with his comment about Tucker being versitile. The fact is he has played at 3 Oline positions in his NFL career Attack was wrong with his initial response, he just needs to deal with being wrong instead of back peddling and trying to make excuses. Maybe I would take Attack more seriously if he treated others with some respect, but when someone disagrees with him he get's all bent out of shape, and pouts, just like in this thread and in others I have read. Now maybe I am getting the wrong impression on this kid because I'm new, but it seems that when someone disagrees with him, he gets frustrated, and personally I find it funny because it's a message board, not life or death.

I never said he played them well, I said he played them while Attack on the other hand said he isn't versatile which isn't true given the information on Tucker.

He hasn't been proved versitle because if he were so versitile he'd have played more than one position in 11 NFL years..he couldn't play LT otherwise the Rams would have left him there.
So while U think I'm wrong..I'm not..since his days at RT are virtually gone and his laterial movement(what little he had) is vanishing moving inside is a better situation ..
However he hasn't played there for any regular season games so nobody knows if he can actually do it..and until he does HE'S NOT VERSITILE..

he just needs to deal with being wrong instead of back peddling and trying to make excuses.
Are U able to comprehend anything Fletch?
Where and what excuse did I make?
I have not waivered one ounce about what I said..U are ridiculous

, but when someone disagrees with him he get's all bent out of shape, and pouts, just like in this thread and in others I have read.
U need a pacifier?
I've heard more crying out of you when I post than my 2 year old when he wants some milk

I think you're just describing yourself ..I don't pout..nor get bent out of shape but I see how my comments can easily push people like U and a few others to overreact very quickly..

Seems you're the one getting frustrated because U can't make a dent in my comments..so you're just reaching..sounds like another sensitive person "who can't handle the truth"..

Let's see do I take your word, or the research I did prior to my posting? I'll go with my research and in his NFL career he has played 3 of the 5 O line positions. Those are facts, accept them and deal with the fact your initial response was wrong, you called Tucker something that obviously other teams disagree with you on, and that would be that he has versatility, but you ignore that aspect. Now go ahead and respond in your belittling manner, and don't forget to get your last word in, it's all you got.

Oh and I have thick skin, why do you think I am even bothering with you, It's obvious to me you come across as a wanna be know it all, but it's fun watching you, especially when you start making a legitimate point then make yourself look goofy because you don't know how to respect others when they disagree. You make for some great comic relief.

Get a grip dude and stop exaggarating.. Tucker has played for two teams..the Rams and the Browns..who are all these other teams??

He play OT for a short while with the Rams then moved to RT..where he's been playing ever since ..

Sorry in your small world U think that instantly makes him Mr.Versitile but it means he can't play LT..sorry.. U can't force that on me..
He's been a RT FOR almost 98% of his NFL career ...his skillset doesn't allow him to play but two positions at best RT/RG..and the RG spot is yet unproven.

Quit crying about I don't respect people who disagree with me..that's so silly..


You make for some great comic relief.
I have to with the jokers and comical thinking I have to deal with in here with you /Peen and a few others..got that?

Easy one, IMO...

Keep him for depth, injury back up. He needs to earn a starting position... He can play OG or OT... Release the O-Lineman who has been inactive...

I would'nt break up the O-Line unit that has been starting the past 4 games. Unless Tuck is by far head and sholders better than any of the starters as of now. I'm still concerned about Tuck between the ears... I should talk...

If the 0-line stays healthy and productive and the Browns like the 0-Line yutes, maybe look at trading Tuck for some late fist day to mid round value toward seasons end.. There will a team in the hunt that needs a average to good, versitle, playoff tested 0-Lineman, near the end of the season...

j/c

I think there will be two major factors in the Tucker decision:

First - where did the coaches have him ranked during pre-season? Was he in a fight for either position on the right side, was he head and shoulders ahead? He played both RG and RT in pre-season. He looked better than both McKinney and Shaffer to me.

Just reading between the lines on Romeo's comments on McKinney, he seems to be the weak link in the running game.

Second - how good is that chemistry on the right side? Do the coaches want to mess with something that's working?

There are a lot of unknown variables (cap, mental stability, etc) but my guess would be to expect Tucker to start this week or next - most likely replacing McKinney.

I don't think they'll bump Shaffer down to guard - that's two changes at once. Tucker to RG doesn't disrupt much and give us a lot more power on that right side.

As several have mentioned - this is a good problem. Deciding if a functional unit should be messed with. When was the last time we had to ask a question like that?

On another note - who the heck started the talk about Tucker at LT? Pass blocking wasn't a strength of his even in his prime.

We've got 2 weeks until the trading deadline so it's now or never. If somebody gives u a pick for him that you like bye bye Ryan, but if not he's good depth if someone get's hurt. Noway do I put him in the lineup unless someone either gets hurt or starts to under perform. You don't screw with chemistry to appease a 33 year old avg. RT who's on the tail end of his career.

Just clicking....some general notes and responses.

1. Versatility...we worked him in Preseason games at OG...RG n LG - in training camp after the news of his suspension we worked him at Center as well. So thats LG, Center, RG and RT - how much more versatile you are going to get?

2. Options.
a. OL doing well with little injuries (Steinbach the only one I know of) we can stand pat this week and wait till the max allowed and make our decision on Monday 10/8/07 - Use Player as the Punter one more Sunday then release him as Z will only have the one game and then the bye week. Assuming he is okay by the Dolphin game.

b. Trade Shaffer - Zona has some injuries. Colts Ugoh is terrible he will get Manning killed if they don't utilize a chip blocker every play. Eagles Justice is no where close to being ready - how bad is Tre Thomas hurt?

c. Butler - he's been a very unversatile backup ergo inactive most games. Dorsey can backup both Tackle spots.

d. IR...will Z's oblique mend? If not we put him on IR for the year and utilize Player.
Baxter...Its 4 games still and his knee is not responding as wished...he is destined to go on the IR. (maybe if and when Bentley comes back)?

e. Harrison...many love him here but the fact is he's our 3rd RB of which all are healthy - he is not utilized on special teams and has been on the Inactive list every game. We have Barclay who I feel is all the back Harrison is on our practice squad if we Release Harrison and an injury occurs Barclay comes in off the Practice squad.

He has been playing RT exclusively in practice... Savage has a trade??? Although the depth is nice and one thing about Shaffer - he has shown improvement and he doesn't miss games. Tucker has a propensity to get banged up.

JMHO

Right now, I would trade Shaffer only for a 1st or 2nd rounder...he probably isn´t worth it but that´s what it takes to get him right now imho...even his contract looks slim coming 2008...just try to sign a RT of his caliber for this money...good luck

I´d keep him though

Hammer........meet head of nail....lol. You don't trade KS when he's steadily improving and showing he can be a solid RT in this league. He's 26........Tucks what 33???? Bye Bye Ryan if we can get a decent pick for him. People act like good young RTs are cheap and easy to come by........news flash they are neither, and KS is a building block for the future. Tuck is expendable right now, and if we get offered a decent pick we should take it. With that said though, I wouldn't give him away, becuase he provides valuable depth.................a good offer though and he's gone imo.

Tucker activated; Butler waived
Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer
10.06.2007

The Browns have activated offensive lineman Ryan Tucker, the team announced Saturday.

On Aug. 3, the NFL announced a four-week suspension for Tucker for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Tucker said he took a banned substance and failed an NFL test in the offseason.

The suspension ended Monday.

Tucker is an 11-year NFL veteran who has appeared in 62 games for the Browns since joining the club in 2002.

For the time being, he's expected to provide depth along the line behind right tackle Kevin Shaffer.

To make room on the roster, the Browns waived offensive lineman Kelly Butler.

Versatility...we worked him in Preseason games at OG...RG n LG - in training camp after the news of his suspension we worked him at Center as well. So thats LG, Center, RG and RT - how much more versatile you are going to get?


I actually need to see that in the regular season before I label him versitile..he could get in there for a long stint and flounder miserably ..even though he should be able to play RG..he ain't going in at LG..no way ...he lacks athleticism to play on the left side..should Steiny go down, they'll put Freidman in there.

You STILL won't get it. Good Lord man...of all people...YOU need to let this thread die.

And U keep replying to me for what reason?

Well...let's see...because it's a message board.

Yeah and U have no point..thats in line with everything else too huh?
U a little antsy since I jumped some of your boys last week?