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Yet that doesn't mean its more deadly.

How many people die from a plane crash vs car crashes?

More people die from car crashes each year, but I would argue when a plane crashes, its typically deadlier than a car accident.

j/c

Cool: Health Officials, Scientists Banned From Speaking About Coronavirus Without Mike Pence’s Approval

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/mike-pence-coronavirus-gag-rule

Now that The White House has pretty much put a gag order on the scientific community, finding out the truth of what's actually is going on just became more difficult.

j/c

How many people in the U.S. have been tested for the coronavirus?

According to the CDC, 445 people have been tested for the virus as of February 25, resulting in 15 confirmed coronavirus infections, including two cases resulting from person-to-person spread, and one case of unknown origin. Those totals only include cases detected and laboratory-tested inside the U.S. — not from people the U.S. has flown back from abroad, like the American passengers on the quarantined Princess Diamond cruise ship in Japan.

There is no centralized count of how many people are being monitored or have been asked to self-quarantine by local and state health officials around the country.

How does U.S. testing compare with other countries?

Not well. While the U.S. has tested less than 500 cases, U.K. health officials have conducted more than 7,100 coronavirus tests as of Wednesday, confirming 13 positive cases, and U.K. authorities have announced aggressive plans to test thousands more, including drive-thru coronavirus testing. South Korea, which is battling the largest known outbreak outside of China, already has drive-thru testing in place and the country’s health officials have already conducted more than 30,000 coronavirus tests — mostly within the last week. And just one province in Canada, Ontario, has already conducted more tests (629) than in the entire U.S.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/why-has-the-us-cdc-done-so-little-coronavirus-testing.html

One thing about it is if you don't test many people you never know how much or little the problem is. At least it keeps the number of known cases down. Looks good on paper.

Interesting how we seem to value the stock market over protecting human lives.

Sure gotta love capitalism...

Had six of us on a Princess ship last month. We held our breath the entire time.

That is why I stated it's a matter of semantics and picking your statistics.

50,000 people a year die from the flu, less than 3,000 died from CV so far. So depending on the narrative one is pushing, you could say there are more deaths from the flu.

I am not disagreeing with you that CV is more deadly, just stating that the statistics can be used in different ways.

I wonder how the fact that the U.S. has only tested 455 people for the virus can be used in a different way?

My honest guess, and that is all it is?

Probably because of our geographic location, we are a long ways from the outbreak, and entry into the US from those places is more controlled that most European and Asian countries that share boarders.

So officials do not see a reason for wide-spread testing, when we can somewhat easily identify those in need of testing.

But like I said, this is just my best guess.

edit: Out of curiosity, I checked Canada, 490 test, 10 positive.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html

Hong Kong dog tests positive

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/coronavirus-latest-updates-outbreak.html

I think that it's slightly naive to think that with all of the international travel that has went on since the original report of the coronavirus that we are not in need of far more testing. What I believe the actual problem is, is in not recognizing that fact. With cases now being reported in places like Italy and Brazil, it seems that focusing on people traveling from the Chinese region was very short sighted. Over just the last couple of days Azerbaijan, Belarus, Lithuania, New Zealand and Nigeria have all reported their first cases.

It seems that the White House has done its very best to downplay all of this. But i think at this juncture people need to recognize we need to do a lot more testing to even come close to knowing how much of a problem it is here in the states.

Like I said, that was my best guess, and now that it seems to be spreading without real trails to the known origin, maybe they take a new stance than whatever they have taken.

These test are not free and require people and resources, so we can't just test everyone, there has to be a criteria of selection, whatever that may be.

I agree. Nothing is ever free. There just comes a time that the cost must be met regardless. This is one of those times.

I read like a week ago, that the current test has delivered a lot of inconclusive results, and they are working on fixing those issues. Which may be part of the reason testing is not more wide-spread.

I'm not sure how other countries are testing but it seems protocol right now is quarantine suspected individuals, and see if symptoms arise, then test??

I'm not sure. I know the woman in northern California was denied a test for a week even when symptoms were showing. I know her test was accurate. There have been reports in some areas that the tests are accurate and contrary reports in other areas.

Just a thought: That is comparing the U.S. flu rate deaths, with worldwide CORVID deaths?

Like I said in the beginning, it's about semantics and choice of statistics.

12,000 Flu Death (US only) is still more than 3,000 CV deaths (Worldwide). So depending on someones narrative, they will pick the number that best exclaims their point.

So in fact someone saying that more people die from the flu than CV, it currently factual.

And that is why a percentage of deaths is a far more accurate indicator.

LOL, I agree, just pointing out that both can be positions can be speaking truth and facts.

The glass can be half-empty AND half-full.

Italy has gone from 0 to almost 900 in one week; increasing on average of 150-200 per day now.

There are 11 towns in the area of Milan that are completely shut down. Like, guarded.

They are testing a person in New York City who presented at the hospital with symptoms after having recently visited Italy.

I could not find anything that said how long ago he visited, what area he was in, nor how long he'd been back before he showed symptoms.


Also, I've learned a few things about numbers with this thing in the last few days.

Currently, about 13% of the people who become infected will remain asymptomatic.
The remaining 87% will get sick to some degree.
MOST will have mild flu-like symptoms.
However, roughly 20% will be in critical care for a sort of severe double pneumonia. There apparently isn't much in-between with it. You're either mild or all-out.

Death rate has climbed a little and is now sitting at about 3.5%

The woman in the San Fran area who was the first community transmission of the disease is in ICU and the mayor of San Fran apparently declared a state of emergency already.

I've noticed that everyone trying to share a clear idea of this has been using percentages; everyone trying to downplay it - either for themselves or for others - has used actual numbers.

I think the impact on the market is causing a bit of a PR campaign backlash where they're trying to settle people down.

for me bro, im worried about our country.

i guess its because despite spending the most on healthcare, the best tech, the most money overall, our managing of the flu virus year after year doesnt give me much confidence we can handle a new threat like this.

i mean look at what you just said. italy with from nothing to a ridiculous fast & furious movie in a week.

swtizerland banned any gatherings with over 1000 people, and car shows shut down. no idea whats going down in SK, and did you see one of those officials in Iran? that man was coughing and dizzy while doing the freaking press conference.

i dunno what to expect when (if) it starts spreading around the country. because we arent gonna be able to put millions on lock down like the chinese government did.

The potential of a worst case scenario is indeed ugly. If we get to the point where it is spreading unchecked, that is catastrophic just because of the pressure it will put on everything. Simply keeping enough trucks on the roads to move goods around could potentially become a problem.

The difficult part is that we cannot get ahead of it now, so we will always be reacting to what has already happened, then trying to trace contacts of people as new cases come up. We'll be chasing our tails.



I mean, the guy in NYC.... how many people were on his flights? Where are they all now, and who all have they been in contact with, and so on....

None of that matters if we're dead.

Most of the Pharmaceuticals, like High Blood Pressure pills, Insulin and such, have ingredients made in China. The drug may be assembled here but with missing parts, well you know.

China is closed currently, producing next to nothing.
The supply train has left the tracks and we will be running out of everything originating in China.

See ya.

New case of unknown origin.

I wonder if this is due to the bungling from the reports due to CDC and ill repared leaders.

Glad to know we value gag orders due to rich people and their stocks rather than the health concerns of 99% of Americans.

Gotta love that party of feelings over facts, right?!

I suppose this won't be taken well, but AT THIS TIME, I liken this the ebola scare, the flu scare we get every year, SARS, FARS, etc. I may very well be wrong.

A snow storm where 3:-5" is reported as "many people may die". Schools cancelling, people emptying grocery stores............or "A possible hurricane may be forming off the coast of Africa, and it could bring 400 mph winds to the east coast of the u.s. with possible storm surges of 1 mile...............etc.

I hope I'm not wrong. Could be though, as the infection rate is unknown at this time, as well as the incubation time. But I certainly don't see the need to test everyone. People worry. We all do, no doubt.

All we can do at this time is monitor it. JMO

FWIW: I think your takes are reasonable and you come across as a fair person who isn't just choosing a side.

Breaking: woman in California has virus, with no recent travels overseas. Brings total known cases to 63 in the US.

SARS & MERS were too effective for their own good. They were very real, very scary viruses, but they work too quickly and burned themselves out.


I recommend reading the article from The Atlantic posted earlier. It will give you a an understanding of how and why this one is different.

Another one, or the one from the other day??

I suppose we will be hear these constant drip drip of incidents until we reach tens of thousands who are infected.

Another one unfortunately.

Bro you know it’s gonna be drip drip drip. This country is so freaking big and everybody drives. No telling where it might pop up.

It'll be drip-drip-drip, until the drips start getting bigger.

Right now, for now, the flu is still by far a bigger worry, but that's basically just a matter of time.

I agree it’s a bigger worry, but now I have to ask:

Due to us still being in peak flu season, what’s the likelihood that we completely whiff in properly diagnosing the virus and calling it a normal flu?

My point is it will be drip drip drip until so many are infected the drip drip drip will be stories of what it was like to have had it.

We have zero resistance to it so most will probably catch it until there is a vaccine developed.

Its going to be tough for a while but we will get through this.

Just now watching the local news. Oregon (Portland) now has its first ‘presumptive’ case. This case is not related to travel. So likely it’s been here in the community but not identified until today. I travel the city for my work.
As a side note I’ve been sick since Tuesday. Left work not feeling well. Low grade temp. Spent Wednesday nailed to the couch with chills. Felt better yesterday. Finally went back to work today. That’s the most work I’ve missed in 15 years. Likely not related, just happenstance.

Be safe out there. Cover your cough. Anytime you go out into the community, grocery shopping, etc, wash your hands when you return home, first thing.

Good advice.

I am sure everyone who catches a cold or flu over the next couple of months is gonna be freaking out.

I hope everyone trusts scientists and allows them to freely talk.