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answer: The OL
Is our D better than last year?
certainly not statisticly
Is DA really much better than Frye?
Not much if any
We're scoring points this year. Why are we scoring points? Because our QB has time to look around a bit with the ball in his hands.
And because we can pass better we can set up the run better.
And now our D doesn't have to spend the whole game on the field 'cuz now we can actually move the chains during the game. 3 & outs are down this year.
Defense may win championships...but you've got to have an offense in order to get into the championship game. And all the offensive skill position players in the world aren't worth a dime without an OL that allows their skills to be used.
Many of us have been screaming for OL tallent since 2000 (in '99 we were happy enough just to have a team again). We've had a coach TALK about the importance of the OL - "Until we fix the offensive line, nothing will change." - Butch Davis
All I can say is thank God for Opie. He didn't just TALK about it. He went and got guys...and now we're scoring some points and being competative. (throw out the squealer game where our QB was so insecure about his job that he couldn't do it - and the stupid punter who couldn't catch a perfect snap)
Next year we attack the DL, add a RB, maybe a WR, a LB...but we should ALWAYS keep an eye out for OLinemen because they're SOoooo important.
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The talent level of the OLine is huge, but I don't think you can underestimate the value of Chud & his system and playcalling.
You can have all the talent in the world, but if you can't put it in position to succeed, you're going nowhere. Look no further than San Diego for an example of a team with loads of talent that isn't getting it done. This is a team that was outright abusing teams a year ago... and they're 1-3 with the same players.
Browns is the Browns
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The talent level of the OLine is huge, but I don't think you can underestimate the value of Chud & his system and playcalling.
You can have all the talent in the world, but if you can't put it in position to succeed, you're going nowhere. Look no further than San Diego for an example of a team with loads of talent that isn't getting it done. This is a team that was outright abusing teams a year ago... and they're 1-3 with the same players.
I have to echo this. The difference schematically is night and day.
Throw in an improved OL and a QB who gets the ball out quickly as well and you have a recipe for a respectable offense.
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I do want to point out that we have been 2-2 before... the two times we won 6 and 4 games respectively. I think it's really important that we keep this winning attitude and go into the bye at least 3-3.
The OL and Chud I think are the main differences... and getting players in here that think they can win and have the right attitude.
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Improved line play is part of the equation, but faster decisions and throws by the QB also plays a part. Anderson has 116 pass attempts so far this year, and 18 have gone for 20+. Explosive offensive plays open up everything.
We had 32 plays of more than 20 yards in the passing game last year, and have 18 in only 4 games so far this year.
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Only Dallas has more than us with 19, in fact.... helluva change for sure.
Things are all coming together and growing from each other.
The coaches are putting the players in the position to succeed, and the players are starting to execute.
Browns is the Browns
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I do agree that our Oline is light years better, but let's be honest about the D as well as Anderson.
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I trust you aren't inferring that they are better in some intangible way......
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Not much if any
Sorry to say it, but as bad as Anderson can be when it comes to not knowing when to hold onto the ball, he is far better than Frye.
And that's tough for me to admit, as I'd always held out hopes that Frye could be competent.
So far, Anderson has faced two tough defenses in Pitt and the Rats, so it's not like he's racked up big yards against powderpuff units. To that end, he currently has a passer rating of 88.4 with 9 TD's and 5 INT's.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a four-game stretch where Frye had that kind of production.
I know your main point, and I agree. We're FINALLY getting some pass protection from our offensive line. It started with getting two NFL-caliber starting guards, a REAL left tackle, an offensive coordinator who understands that it's vitally important to get the ball out of a QB's hands quickly, and JUST as important, to have a QB that KNOWS how to get it out of his hands instead of holding onto it.
Now, outside of that, our defense still stinks, our offensive line still can't get a push against solid defenses, and our QB isn't a viable starter in this league.
But at least we're on the right track............
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You can have all the talent in the world, but if you can't put it in position to succeed, you're going nowhere. Look no further than San Diego for an example of a team with loads of talent that isn't getting it done.
Oh man that is so true.. I don't know what it is with Norv Turner. He's such an effective OC but for some reason, as a HC, the guy is snakebit! I saw a little of his presser on Sportcenter and he looks like a kid that just got caught stealing a candy bar, but is in the midst of denying it..
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Our D is NOT better than last year, statistically or otherwise.. But I think we are a couple of D linemen away from being respectable. JMO
As for Frye and DA...man it hurts me to admit it, but it's true, DA is a better QB. Overall that is. He has a bigger upside! Again, JMO
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1) DA knows how to get rid of the ball, and he stays in the pocket, throws the right pass most of the time.
2) The o-line... Tucker is coming back, and next year Bentley should be ready to go... WOW!! Imagine that...
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it's true, DA is a better QB
This is a common thought in this thread. But in the preseason, DA mostly got stuck with 2nd team OLinemen...and he DID NOT look good...because the 2nd team OL was NOT good.
Many people on this board were SURE that DA would be cut and Dorsey would be #2. I recall saying in a few threads that DA had been 'unlucky' in the preseason. If Frye would've been stuck playing with the 2nd team than Frye wouldn't have looked too good...and if you ask me, Frye looked better than DA in the preseason.
I still say the main difference, for DA, between the preseason and now is that he's playing with a better OL...
Chud, in my mind, is a more aggressive play caller (which I like). Mo was initially an aggressive play caller but because we were losing he was fair game to make fun of. Both guys try throwing to the FB...but nobody minds that Chud is doing it.
I don't want to get into a discussion between Chud & Mo but we have a better OL now so we should be able to do more things offensively.
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I wish he would use Cribbs more "aggressively"
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certainly not statisticly
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Our D is NOT better than last year, statistically or otherwise.. But I think we are a couple of D linemen away from being respectable. JMO
As for Frye and DA...man it hurts me to admit it, but it's true, DA is a better QB. Overall that is. He has a bigger upside! Again, JMO
Why does it hurt so many people to admit it? You and Toad have both said that in this thread.
As much as I hated Frye...I would have never hated to admit to him being a good QB. I would have loved to cuz it meant we were winning ballgames. But I just didn't see it and what really clinched it for me was when DA made his debut...IMO he was impressive then with getting the ball out quicker and staying in the pocket (esp. vs. Pittsburgh) but everyone wanted to write it off as "oh the grass was soft and it slowed down the rush."
I still don't understand why everyone's judgement was/is so clouded about Frye...is it really cuz he's a hometown kid who was pimped hard? Hell, I pimped him in '05 but as soon as I saw he didn't have it (after Denver last year even though I got a bad feeling in my stomach after the Saints game) I quickly got off that bandwagon.
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Not much if any
Look not to start a QB debate. DA when it comes to not getting sacked is leap years ahead of Frye. It gets him in trouble some (throwing before his recievers get to the top of thier route.....most of the time getting it picked off) but he is going to get rid of the ball. He just does not get sacked, becuase hes not going to hold on long enough to get sacked.
All that being said, the OL is making a huge difference. I like to feel good about being able to make a hold a pocket on pass downs. We are getting a lot closer than people think to being a good football team.
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The main difference has to be the O-line and the threat oif Jamal; we are light years better than 2006. It's flat-out weird, watching a Browns QB with time to throw. I mean we haven't had that since Vinny Testaverde.
DA for his wacky decisions and head-scratching accuracy at times, isn't getting sacked and he has plenty of zip on his fastball.
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The biggest difference is Chud. The guy is scheming so many ways to get people open. OL much better is a factor. DA's playing decent is a factor. Jamal Lewis is a factor. Edwards commitment to the game is a factor but folks Chud is the one that is making things happen. We are leaving so many points on the field its unreal and thats against very good defenses. Raiders, Steelers and Ravens are top 5 defenses anyway u cut it.
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We are leaving so many points on the field its unreal and thats against very good defenses. Raiders, Steelers and Ravens are top 5 defenses anyway u cut it.
I think this fact is being lost in the ups and downs of the Jeykl & Hyde nature of this team so far this year...and it is absolutely unacceptable IMO.
DA did not hurt us yesterday...but could have if the LB catches the gimme.
DA DID hurt us at Oakland...it should never have come to the FG attempt.
Yes...I'll admit that if you asked me in August what I thought about us being 2-2 at this time ...I'd say...heck yes...I'll take that.
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At some time...this team, the fans, and the coaches need to get to where we expect to win...like in the Raider game that we gave away Loooong before the blocked FG.
And seeing a good O leave points on the field in the name of "protecting an investment" is frustrating.
Our line sure looks ready for BQ...I know I am.
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The biggest difference is Chud. The guy is scheming so many ways to get people open. OL much better is a factor. DA's playing decent is a factor. Jamal Lewis is a factor. Edwards commitment to the game is a factor but folks Chud is the one that is making things happen. We are leaving so many points on the field its unreal and thats against very good defenses. Raiders, Steelers and Ravens are top 5 defenses anyway u cut it.
Good post. Chud gives us the opportuntiy to make big plays each time we get the ball. DA over Frye is a huge factor. DA doesn't run scared and makes quick decisions (however bad they may be  ). Brett Favre, when asked about his interception record stated, "I have absolutely no regrets. To make big plays, you have to take big risks". Before I get flamed, DA is no BF.
We're going to have to get used some poor qb decisions, but the payoff is good. I haven't seen 3 consecutive exciting Browns games like this since the return.
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main difference?????
1. Oline play!
2. Quick release of qb which makes our oline unit look top-5 in the league right now (on pass).
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We're scoring points this year. Why are we scoring points? Because our QB has time to look around a bit with the ball in his hands.
The time certainly helps, but it didnt really do much for Fryes game. IMHO the new found passing game has more to do with Andersons big arm and his abilitiy to shoot lasers downfield. If he can improve his decision making and accuracy we are going to have a strong passing game that opens up the run.
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Of course not, because Frye never had any of it.
And don't even mention the Squealer game where he was set up for failure.
DA is the only QB, since the team's return in 1999, to have the time in the pocket to check down to multiple receivers.
...and I don't see the 'time in the pocket' being attributed to Chud's 'scheming'. If that were the case I'd have him scheme something up for our DL...but I've got this feeling that it's going to take personnel changes to improve the DL, just like it did the OL.
Now, are there other factors that are different from last year? Sure. JL is an improvement over Droughns. He's faster that's for sure, he's quicker with his little short steps. BE seems to have maured some (could have something to do with Chud), KW2 is a little healthier, he can now make some plays furthur down the field.
We have EW at cornerback, but he's a rookie and making rookie mistakes so he's not yet much of an improvement over last year.
Lastly we have Chud. Yes, his playbook is possibly an improvement over any playbook we've had since 1999...but I'm betting that if we put 1999's OL in front of DA and RL then Chud's playbook will work as well as the phone book.
We do not have a great OL...yet...but what we've got right now is head and shoulders above what we had last year, the year before that, etc., etc.
There's an old saying - If you give any NFL QB enough time in the pocket, he'll pick the D appart. (they don't get to be old sayings for nothing)
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I agree also with the other opinions that it is the OL and Chud. Night and day with our better line and Chuds playcalling. I am thrilled with these stretch the field long TD passes. Those get the stadium rocking. Gotta like Cribbs also. I love that guy. (In a football sense)  I love how we're mixing him in a little bit more. Thanks Chud!
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Chuds playcalling.
I am thrilled with these stretch the field long TD passes
...but...you have to have time in the pocket to throw long...
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Of course not, because Frye never had any of it.
And don't even mention the Squealer game where he was set up for failure.
Frye did have that line all preseason and every opportunity to run away with the job so I am going to completely disagree with you here, Set up for failure?
Sorry I like Frye, but I dont buy it. Did he have tons of pressure on him, of course. But he wilted under it. He had time in the Steelers game and more of it than he ever saw under center for the Browns.
I think people can underestimate what Andersons arm is really worth to our passing game. Not to discount the line, but they form a pocket, its still up to the QB to do something with it. And what the ability to throw a 50 yard laser downfield does is open up other things, And that is something Frye just didnt have. Anderson can keep the safeties back, or make them pay for it.
Imo if Anderson can find some accuracy, and stop making the mental mistakes Quinn will find it very hard to get on the field at all. Because that arm is something you cant scheme to make up for.
Andersons arm is going to open up things for Lewis underneath. and allow us to start running 3 receiver sets more often for the first time in a long time.
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He had time in the Steelers game and more of it than he ever saw under center for the Browns
...I asked that we don't mention the squealer game...but NOOOoooooo....
Look, DA was under 50% completions in that game. It was the first REAL game for new OL, was against Blitzburgh and we had a punter on the squealer payroll....it was total chaos and a throw away game. Both QB's stunk that game.
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...I asked that we don't mention the squealer game...but NOOOoooooo....
Look, DA was under 50% completions in that game. It was the first REAL game for new OL, was against Blitzburgh and we had a punter on the squealer payroll....it was total chaos and a throw away game. Both QB's stunk that game.
Dude, Frye would have been sacked 15 times in the next 3 games. The kid holds onto the ball too long. It was obvious last year vs. KC when even though he wasn't sacked once, he was constantly taking hits, and in the following Pittsburgh game when they didn't sack DA once.
We gave up one more sack in that Pittsburgh game after Frye took 5. Savage even said 4 of the 5 were attributed to the QB holding the ball...it's on the homepage under "Savage Radio interview on Wills and Snyder"
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theres alot of WHY to go around ... but Vette has NAILED the MAIN reason ... cause without the OL .... DA can't be his inconsistent self .... hes not near as good as most seem to think he is .. he is a VERY BAD QB as a matter of fact ... Chud wouldn't have the time to allow his skill position players to be utilizing them the way he is ... the reasons are as follows .... but the OL is FAR AND AWAY #1 .... and guess what guys .. the OL still has a long ass way to go ... its LIGHTYEARS better than anything we've ever had since our return .. and i am pleased as punch with their performance in pass blocking .... it will continue to improve .. anyhow back to the reasons .. and this is no particular order .. Brey being healthier, hungrier and MORE EXPERIENCED ... KW having another year of expereince and also being healthier ... Jamal Lewis is no wheres near what he used to be .. but hes MUCH BETTER than anything we've seen since our return ... CHUD is HUGE .... he seems to be as good as advertised ... wait till he gets BQ in there ... w/o the OL this almost entirely MOOT ... with last years OL almost all of this would be NULL AND VOID ... and Gents .... .. The SD example is pretty much a joke .. what happend to them is pretty much the same thing that happend in NO ... (or are u going to blame Norv Turner for that one to .. *L* .. ) ... rumors over the summer and through TC were that BOTH teams were COMPLACENT and pretty much just going through the motions ... they were both YOUNG YOUNG TEAMS that let success go to their heads .. the Chargers also lost their O and D coordinators and almost their entire staffs .. thats ALOT OF CHANGE ... but who cares .. this is about us .. and we are heading in the right direction ... no matter how bad this Sunday is .. *L*
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New Orleans isn't as good this year because they weren't as good as people thought they were last year.
A terrible crop of LBs and a terrible secondary, and they basically did nothing to address either area.
Also, the OL played above themselves last year, but are now coming back down to earth a bit.
Maybe they did let success go to their heads, but honestly, I think you could have predicted this downfall. They did virtually nothing to improve their true weaknesses this offseason.
I think Payton thinks he's smarter than everyone else and it bit him in the arse.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I was talking about Offense ... as that was the jist of the SD example ...
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My bad...I was kind of just skimming things and missed that.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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First time I've been on the board since the season's started. Pittsburgh game made me scared to even look at what was being said on here. Rightfully so too. I was down on us bad too. After the draft I kept saying how good our offense was going to be with the improved OL and after that first week I couldn't believe it. The idea of us being that bad when I thought we were gonna be so much better just killed my spirits for the season. Looks like I (and many others....not claiming I told you so here) might have been right.  I'd like all the sensible people who resisted the temptation to pimp us drafting the ever sexy RB, WR, and even QB (although we got him later) to take a minute right here..... VINDICATION!!!!! We few, with unfathoming loyalty to fixing the OL, who had to defend our boring strategy of picking an OL against the sex appeal of a Calvin Johnson. And even though we might have been tempted, because let's face it....Calvin is just that sexy, we always knew and believed in our hearts that OL was the best thing for this team. Go Browns!
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theres alot of WHY to go around ... but Vette has NAILED the MAIN reason ...
cause without the OL ....
DA can't be his inconsistent self .... hes not near as good as most seem to think he is .. he is a VERY BAD QB as a matter of fact ...
Chud wouldn't have the time to allow his skill position players to be utilizing them the way he is ...
the reasons are as follows .... but the OL is FAR AND AWAY #1 .... and guess what guys .. the OL still has a long ass way to go ... its LIGHTYEARS better than anything we've ever had since our return .. and i am pleased as punch with their performance in pass blocking .... it will continue to improve .. anyhow back to the reasons .. and this is no particular order ..
Brey being healthier, hungrier and MORE EXPERIENCED ...
KW having another year of expereince and also being healthier ...
Jamal Lewis is no wheres near what he used to be .. but hes MUCH BETTER than anything we've seen since our return ...
CHUD is HUGE .... he seems to be as good as advertised ... wait till he gets BQ in there ...
w/o the OL this almost entirely MOOT ... with last years OL almost all of this would be NULL AND VOID ...
and Gents .... .. The SD example is pretty much a joke .. what happend to them is pretty much the same thing that happend in NO ... (or are u going to blame Norv Turner for that one to .. *L* .. ) ...
rumors over the summer and through TC were that BOTH teams were COMPLACENT and pretty much just going through the motions ... they were both YOUNG YOUNG TEAMS that let success go to their heads ..
the Chargers also lost their O and D coordinators and almost their entire staffs .. thats ALOT OF CHANGE ...
but who cares .. this is about us .. and we are heading in the right direction ... no matter how bad this Sunday is .. *L*
I agree completely. The OL's been beautiful, especially in pass protection. Watching Joe Thomas take Justin Smith and Terrell Suggs out of the game has been a thing of beauty.
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I do think you gotta give DA a little credit here. Yes he's inaccurate, has little if any touch (especially on the short stuff), and will throw into quadruple coverage *groans*, but ya know what? He's still learning too.
I definitely think he's nearing his ceiling, but I think he's more than capable of being a quality backup in this league. I can name at a few teams (Minnesota, Chicago, San Fran, Miami, KC, possibly Atlanta, Carolina, less possibly Jacksonville and Arizona...even Baltimore) that would rather have him under center at this point (San Fran and Arizona are breaking in young QB's...I give up on Alex Smith though). Although I do think our OL, Chud and playmakers are a huge part of his success, which is almost common sense.
He takes risks, some frustrate you while others pay off in HUGE dividends. For now, I'm ok with that. The past 3 games have at least been entertaining to watch from an offensive standpoint. We're not dinking and dunking, and sometimes it almost feels like a Favre-like strongarm gunslinger mentality.
You and I are in the same boat, we're on the Brady train. Hell, in the preseason I saw him do things that I don't think DA could do, but I have to give DA some credit for what he's been doing.
Plus, you got your wish, Quinn's gonna wait until at least the bye week unless an injury occurs.
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My observations.
The Browns did not attack any team downfield last year. Now we can debate if it was a lack of time or an inexperienced QB, but the OL change has been a significant improvement.
There are 4 new positional players, 3 new players and a relocated Shaffer.
This has flashbacks of the 2004 chargers that had 5 new starters.
I am not sold on DA, sorry but I will wait for quinn. DA does the 2 things that drives me nuts, he will miss recievers badly, and throw into triple and quadruple coverage.
KW2 and BE are downfield more.
JL is an improvement.
Defensively.... ugh... well the Browns are scoring more points.
Oh by the way. I believe this year we are at 0 in the giveaway/takeaway stat.
Last year the Browns were -15 I believe next to last in the league.
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Dude, Frye would have been sacked 15 times in the next 3 games. The kid holds onto the ball too long.
I'm not trying to say that Frye is better than DA in this thread. As a matter of fact, since DA enterred the picture last season I've quietly preferred him because of his arm and pocket presence but I've tried to resist the temptation to disqualify a QB until we could remove the OL problem from the equation.
There have been QB's that I'd written off - I don't like the McCowns. I think they suck. I didn't like Dilfer. He had NO touch at all. All I'm saying is that Frye was turned into jelly because he was not awarded the starting job. He won a coin flip.  In my next life I'd like to see what he could've done if he'd been recognized as the starter (confidence building) and given the first quarter of the season with the new OL. (just as a comparision)
OK, back to the real world.
Diam - thank you for posting. I knew you would've seen the OL improvement as being a huge factor in the improvement of our team.
Folktown - welcome back from hybernation. Yes, resisting the sexy pick of Adrian Peterson (or whoever) and picking the LT certainly reinforced my faith in Savage. Pretty soon it'll be time to start pimping colegiate DLinemen.
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Our Oline is light years ahead of previous years. This has led to more time in the pocket for QB's to make their reads and make a throw. Whether it was DA or Frye, it wouldn't matter if the Oline wasn't ever fixed.
DA gives us an advantage in his arm strength, his accuracy could use some work as could his decision making skills, but after all he has only 6 starts (9 games total) in his 3 year career, he is essentially still a rookie in some aspects.
Winslow and Edwards, both healthy and playing to expectations is helping alot, now teams need to account fro them when game planning, as well as ol' trusty Joe J., while he isn;t drawing double coverages or anything, he is a possession receiver, and we seem to be utilizing his talents more than we had last year.
Jamal Lewis gives us a respectable run game with the new Oline, as well as a threat out of the backfield. He had a name and history in the league, and teams know what he is capable of.
Opponents can no longer just gameplan to sit back and make us pass while rushing 3 defenders, because they know we can run if need be, or we could pass deep. Defenses are playing more honest and opening up the field for us to play a more balanced game.
Put this all together with a respectable Special Teams with Cribbs, and we have something special.
Now if we could just put some bandaids on the Defense for the rest of the season, we could have a really fun season as fans, and end the year with smiles and talk of how good next year might be, rather than who we should fire.
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Now we can debate if it was a lack of time or an inexperienced QB, but the OL change has been a significant improvement.
It was a couple things.. lack of time is obviously a factor, and I think our whole offensive scheme was set up to account for a lack of time, it was all underneath stuff, draws, and such... if you can count on your QB having time, there are pages in the playbook we can finally start to use...
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No one's answered the question as to why it hurts so bad to admit that DA is better than Frye.
Again, why does it hurt? It wouldn't hurt me to admit Frye is better than DA (or even the real deal) if that truly were the case.
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I think DA is better in this system than Frye would be, but I still think Frye has ability in the right system, his biggest drawback was he was gun shy, he was watching for the pocket to collapse, rather than looking to get rid of the ball, he had no faith in the time needed for the play to develop.
Is Frye a consistent starting NFL QB? Probably not, but neither is DA.
Personally I hated the whole QB competition thing. We did it before with Holcomb and Couch and this time had the same results, neither QB got the practice time or the confidence check that a QB needs to be successful in this league.
I also think the QB competition was a scam from the start, that was designed to give Quinn the starting job had he shown up on time. It all backfired due to the holdout. And we got left holding the bag with 2 QB's.
Now DA has stepped up enough to put things at ease for now, and I would bet that the coaches were getting Quinn ready to step in for the Miami game and figuring we would be 0-5 or 1-4 at that time. now that DA is doing enough to hold this team above water, the coaches can relax and prepare Quinn the right way.
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And all the offensive skill position players in the world aren't worth a dime without an OL that allows their skills to be used.
That is SO true. Just look at the Rams - Marc Bulger, Steven Jackson, Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce. Yet with one very big injury to the OL, the shuffle that has come from that has caused this team to be very ineffective on offense and winless at this point in the season.
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