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Dude is killing it at the Combine and he killed it all year long. He might even be available at 10.

A couple of questions:

Would you draft him?

How would you use him on D if you did draft him?

https://twitter.com/richeisen/status/1233940375661875200

This trio of simulcams of
@isaiahsimmons25
vs. NFL stars he will most likely have to chase down is amazing.

Because, here, they're all chasing HIM down.

I would draft him. He had speed and instincts to play anywhere from ILB, OLB, and either S position ... and can also rush the passer well. He is the kind of guy who would make any defense better,

Loved your posts, except for the last one. LOL

This morning, I heard a discussion on NFL Network that Simmons could easily fall out of the top 10.

#4 is a far cry from that.

I mentioned on another thread he is the one player that I would take at ten that wasn't one of the top tackles. I would play him at SS. I think he would fit well with Woods' preference to play more man-to-man than zone. I do think we are going to be in Nickle a lot.

I’d find it very unlikely to take anyone but a tackle at 10.

Obviously, where players are located matters, but the LT spot must be secured.


Until someone shows me a way to secure it other than the #10 pick, that’s where I’m going. Wirfs, Thomas, Benton. That’s where I’m at. Protect Baker.


Good athlete, jack of all trades players is nice, but LTs are difficult to find. That’s what we need

I think I might use him as a CB/Nickel LB on TEs and bigger receivers. Have him outside the box as he doesn't deal with the inside traffic the greatest, but he's good in space and can blitz off the edge. You could sort of keep 3 corners and 3 LBs on the field all the time with him as he more or less counts as both.

Still prefer Wills, but if the top 4 OTs are gone, I wouldn't hate it.

I don't think there is any chance Simmons is there at ten. If he is you draft him and figure everything else out as you go. He's a perfect player for the NFL right now.

I think that he is ideal to help defense the modern running QB. He is fast enough to catch them, and big enough to bring them down.

j/c

I watched him at the combine and have to think he’ll be gone by pick 10. If he’d be there, I’d run to the podium.

Imagine his versatility with Lamar Jackson on the other side of the ball.

Everyone likes to discuss best player available, Simmons is it.

Let me be clear, Simmons is my #1 target. I move up to get him. I draft OT in the 2nd

The problem is, you may have to trade the 2nd rd pick to move up.

I would give up some picks/players to get him. Like a faster Polomalu. His combine run was amazing. We need tackle(s), but this is a huge impact player. I would jump on it.

I don't argue that at all, my comment was we may not have a second round pick to use, to pick up the tackle, if we move up to get Simmons. Do we wait til 3rd round to get a starting Left Tackle, or mortgage next year, as in # 10 this year and our first round pick next year, to move up and get Simmons ?

Simmons, if available at 10 is a beast. If he gets picked before 10, you gotta go, Xavier McKinney S from Alabama. He reminds me of Ed Reed. While OL is a need, it isnt as bad as Browns fans think it is. OL is not a difference maker. You dont waste Top 10 picks in the Draft on OL. The Browns have a ton of holes on defense. Joe Thomas proved, OT doesn't translate to wins

Browns Needs:

TE
LB
CB
S
OL

For sure, you need impact players in the Top 10

Assuming he is available at 10.

I'm not sure if he's Polomalu or if he's Obi Melifonwu 1.5 with a better defense around him.

His stats and athletic measurables look amazing, but his tape isn't as definitive. The tape isn't bad by any means, but I wonder how much being used perfectly in a great scheme contributed to his success. Are his instincts great or was he told exactly what to do most plays? How often did he win by skill vs by alignment? A TFL is great, but one when the offense doesn't account for you isn't as impressive as a DE/DT beating a doubleteam to do it.

It's not so much a knock as something I'm still trying to figure out how to weigh/separate.

Browns needs:

OT
OT
S
OG (don't think Teller is a fit in the new scheme, and Forbes is still an unknown. Plus, inside pressure kills Baker)
S
LB
TE
CB/WR

If Simmons is there at 10 (doubtful) draft him.

With his speed and athleticism, he can shutdown RBs and TEs.

You need a guy like him as the game continues to evolve as guys continue to get bigger, stronger and faster.

He's a game changer and you can line him up in multiple positions on the field.

Here are his snaps by position last year:

- Slot CB: 257
- Safety: 225
- Off-ball LB: 192
- Edge defender: 115

I'd honestly consider trading up for him.

For this team, with the holes that need to be addressed Simmons only makes sense if he drops to the Browns at 10. Otherwise, he's a luxury that I hope the FO won't chase by trading up. As much as I am enthralled by his talent even if he did fall to the Browns at ten I'd be open for business if somebody wanted him badly enough to pony up multiple picks. I think Simmons is going to be a star in this league. I think he is a Jackson antidote.

None of that will help our red-zone offense which was inept last year. This was the glaring problem for this team. Scoring, when they were in position to score.

If Simmons is there, the Browns will trade down for more picks.

If you want Simmons you have to trade up to three. That’s at least this year’s second round pick and probably more. That’s too much for a non-QB on a team with huge holes at several positions.

go look at Watson, Wilson, Matt Ryan, Kyler Murray, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh Allen, Jameis Winston, Aaron Rodger's numbers, all who got sacked the same or more than Mayfield, then look at Mayfield's numbers and get back to me

U mean like they did with Watson? LOL

Combine has everyone in a tizzy.

Obviously, if he goes as early as 3 (doubtful) it's too much.

If he's there at, let's say 8 maybe 7, I strongly consider making the move up to get him.

Lol.

A trade down at 10 will not surprise me this year.

I agree with whomever said they only way we should take Simmons is if he falls to us at #10. The same would go for Derrick Brown or Jeff Okudah. We'd have to think hard before passing on any of those 3 at #10, IMO. The reason I think this is because trading up for any of them would compromise our ability to trade back into the late 1st round to get one of the second tier OTs (Josh Jones, Austin Jackson, et al). Above all else, IMO the Browns must come out of this free agency/draft season with a starting LT, and the only FA LTs are in their mid-to-late 30s (Peters, Whitworth). (Indy's Anthony Castonzo has said he's returning to the Colts.)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...urning-for-2020

I respectfully disagree. Think back to your BPA vs Need thread. Moving a spot or 2 from your big board is a mistake and it has gotten more teams in trouble than anything else.

Stick to your Vertical board and use the Horizontal board to make some minor adjustments.

I probably should not have started this post. Almost all of you are saying Simmons is going to be drafted much higher than 10. I was just going off of what I had heard earlier in the day when 3 analysts were discussing that Simmons might fall outside of the top 10 if certain things happen, such as the qb thing. I didn't realize that there wasn't any way that he would fall. I haven't been following the draft as closely as most of you.

I read your post a couple of times before responding. I think I understand you to say if Simmons were there at 10 take him don't trade down. Right?

Just by the way you phrased your comments, I don't think you are advocating moving up for Simmons, right?

If my reading of your post is correct we agree 100% about chasing Simmons with a move up. I'd really have to know what other teams were offering to flat out reject a move down. If we didn't move and took Simmons the consolation prize is a guy who would be special on the back end of our defense. I think he could help defend TEs, stop Jacksons' running and Burrows's legs too.

You are saying the OL is not as bad as people think. Problem is we don't even have a LT now. Robinson is gone, besides him who else is going to play LT?

I still think we need to address the OL 1st. The fact we are debating about taking a D player at #10 shows we need more talent on this team than some think. JMO

Ideally I’d like OT as well ... but our defense proved to be as much of a problem than our OL ... we were gashed and got zero pressure on QBs when Garrett was out.

Our offense was bad last year, but our D didn’t live up to the hype at all either

It is still possible he is there at 10. I think it depends on O Tackles. If there is a run on OT's between 5-9 then it is a real possibility Simmons would be there at 10. If he is there I would have no issue with the Browns taking him over reaching for a Tackle.