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Having the cap space and draft picks to fill the holes and being able to fill the holes are two different things.

Who is going to want to come to this organization other than scrubs looking to get paid?

"Hue Jackson is a leader of men"

Good grief! Now You're assuming that we will only play two LBers, and what of depth at the position?

Does our new DC play a base 4-3, or a base 4-2-5? We may need 3 staring LB.

There is also a minimum amount the Browns have to spend of the salary cap. So get ready for more Dwayne Bowes that they have to pay money to meet the minimum

Most teams only play two linebackers most of the time. Depth comes from cheap free agents and young players, not expensive veterans.

With the players available in FA and The Draft at the positions we need it is possible my friend

J/c

Kirksey wasn’t worth what he was being paid and couldnt stay healthy. Sucks cuz he’s a good guy it seems.

Trevathon a possibility?

No one plays three linebackers a majority of the time. No one.

And most teams can't defend.

Possible and likely are not the same thing.

No one is panicking. I know I am not. I'm just expressing my thoughts that this FO made the same type of decisions the last time around and went 1 and 31 and we all had to listen to all the excuses and justifications why their moves were sound.

I'm not "panicking" that Kirko won't be back. It's just irritating to listen to the same folks who criticized Dorsey all the time are now back to shouting down others who don't buy into every move the FO makes.

It doesnt take any skill to cut payroll or trade down. What matters is having the ability to sign good players and to draft well, of which the Browns havent done in 20 yrs

lol

You're like a breath of fresh air.

The Patriots, who had the best defense in the league, played only two off ball linebackers most of time (Jamie Collins and Dont'a Hightower).

Dorsey would have cut Kirksey too and the narrative today would have been "all that roster turnover!"

Thanks I was trying to think of something nice to say about him but couldn't come up with anything

Dorsey would have cut Kirksey too.

No one, that I can see, is buying into every decision the front office makes.

What about Kyle Van Noy?

On ball linebacker (edge) (and even he was off the field for 19% of the snaps).

I said Nick Kwiatkowski when discussing with cfrs.

I'll repost the comparison from PFF:

Danny Trevathan (Turns 30 on 3/24):
Overall - 61.9
Run Defense - 70.9
Pass Rush - 77.3
Coverage - 50.3
Total Snaps = 559
*Injured week 10 that ended season

Nick Kwiatkowski (Turns 27 on 5/26):
Overall - 72.6
Run Defense - 67.1
Pass Rush - 81.8
Coverage - 68.7
Total Snaps = 512
+Started 8 of 16 games this past season

Source Please I looked and couldn't find anything on minutes or percentage on and off the field I would like to see that

I don't even care about FA.

They are going to let one of our best players(Schobert) leave which is nuts considering nationally he is ranked as a Top 10 LB in the NFL and has 1 Pro Bowl and was snubbed this year which to be frank was ridiculous.

Mack Wilson is a backup at best, the guy isn't a starting quality NFL LB. He lacks a nose for the ball, is out of position all the time, takes poor angles to ball carriers, thats pretty much it.

We will have one of the worst LB cores in the NFL next year.

Berry is just a sycophant to do Truck Stop Jimmah's bidding by cutting people to save dollars so he can run the team on a bare minimum. OBJ will be kept just so they have one big name to help fill the stadium, everyone else it will be just like Sashi's regime.

Remember Berry was Browns "handpicked chief scout" to pick his players for him. Brown was a lawyer he had no idea how to evaluate talent, thats why he hired Berry....Berry is responsible for that 1-31 two year stretch and Haslam rehires this moron because all he cares about is pocketing money.

I'll be very suprised if Haslam actually lets him spend any real money to bring anyone in....your crazy if you think were even going to be remotely competitive next year....we will be lucky to win 4 games...

https://www.patspulpit.com/2020/3/5/2116...s-rushing-alone

Thanks for the read but I didn't see where he was off the field 19% of the time ?

Here's the link. You can see Van Noy was on the field for 80.7% of the total team defensive snaps. Therefore, off the field for 19.3% of the snaps.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/...nap_counts_form

So..........that proves that NE only used two off the ball LBers "most of the time?"

LoL........not getting on you, but some things are funny.

I agree about Mack WIlson ... he’s not a starting LB (nor should he be expected to become one based on his draft position and inexperience).

We either have a good plan, don’t think the position is important, or really like Taki Taki lol

I drive by the Raiders stadium every day.

It's gorgeous.

I was pointing out the math.

I know. I was messing w/cfrs. It was all in fun.

So you revising your original statement that the Patriots only played two LB'ers most of the time?

Off topic...

Soon enough, I'd be driving by the stadium and making a beeline for the casinos sports books. March Madness!

I think the big positive of Kirksey was his leadership, he was often a captain despite being IR'd...and always around coaches and hyping his teammates up.

At one point he was perhaps our best LB, but that was years ago...Unfortunately his best football might be behind him, as he is so oft-injured anymore. When he returned in 2018, he looked absolutely horrid against the Steelers I think. But his health is the gamble the next team will take...He just wasn't worth his contract anymore. Was really hoping he would lower his cap and stay, but looks like we tried.

Now hopefully we can offer Joe Scho a little bit more, with the savings...Then again, who knows.

Like I said, off ball linebackers. Kyle Van Noy plays on the edge.

Man, why are you dodging it? Either he's a third LB'er or he isn't. I mean we can play word salad all day. OLB'ers get moved to the edge sometimes. It doesn't mean they're not LB'ers.

Dont'a Hightower and Jamie Collins played off the ball. Kyle Van Noy played on the edge.

A comparison, Joe Schobert and Mack Wilson played off the ball. Myles Garrett played on the edge.