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Were not even close to being on the same boat ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
u think way to much of DA ... gunslinger?? *LOL* ... he is very entertaining .. problem is .. the other teams are going to start HANGING ON TO ALL HIS BAD THROWS ... and there has been at LEAST 3 HORRIFIC THROWS in each game ...
and if u think any of those teams u mentioned would rather have him than there QB's U need to have your head examined ...
hes been way more LUCKY than GOOD ... and its not even close ... alot of people on here (well some people on here .. the ones that know football and I respect do) know that is a FACT .. but its not a "popular" thing to say and hard to defend at this point cause of guys like U that just gloss over all the bad and why he has had any success ... theres an old saying that fits why some wont come out and say it ... "what is popular isnt always right and what is right isn't always popular" ....
and just because u think DA is better than Frye doesnt make it true ... and I won't admit it not because it hurts ... it wouldn't hurt me in the slightest to say it .. cause i could care less .. I won't say it cause its NOT TRUE ...
things always have a way of working themselves out .. and when its all said and done things have a tendancy to work themselves out the way I have envisioned ... this will to .. like when u were saying that Troy Smith should go in the top 5 picks and almost everyone said he'd go day 1 .... well i said right then and there when he was playng lights out that he had NO SHOT at going day 1 and would be not only be a day 2 pick but a LATE DAY 2 pick at best .... how'd that one work out??? this is pretty much the same .. DA's "luck" will run out and he will be on the trash heap where he belongs ..
and No that is not what i want ... i would love for him to be a good back up or even starter .. i;d LOVE that .. but it is what it is .. and that aint what it is .. *L*
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He had time in the Steelers game and more of it than he ever saw under center for the Browns
...I asked that we don't mention the squealer game...but NOOOoooooo....
Look, DA was under 50% completions in that game. It was the first REAL game for new OL, was against Blitzburgh and we had a punter on the squealer payroll....it was total chaos and a throw away game. Both QB's stunk that game.
Dude, Frye would have been sacked 15 times in the next 3 games. The kid holds onto the ball too long. It was obvious last year vs. KC when even though he wasn't sacked once, he was constantly taking hits, and in the following Pittsburgh game when they didn't sack DA once.
We gave up one more sack in that Pittsburgh game after Frye took 5. Savage even said 4 of the 5 were attributed to the QB holding the ball...it's on the homepage under "Savage Radio interview on Wills and Snyder"
Once again, you post your absurd opinions as fact. You have NO IDEA if Frye would have taken sacks in those games, yet you post it as fact. Then you say Frye took 5 and DA only got one, ignoring the FACT that the Steelers called off the dogs. You also quote Savage as saying that Frye was responsible for 4 of the 5....well, I still have that game on DVR and I can tell you that it wasn't Frye's fault on 4 of 5....in fact, there were 2 sacks that came from the fault of the OL completely missing the block (I'm counting Shaffer being thrown into Frye in that) and one where Thomas and Steinbach miscommunicated and missed one (natural with lack of playing time together).
I really enjoyed you claiming it wouldn't hurt for you to be wrong about Frye.....since you've been wrong in your statements of him for over a year and still post them.
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I'm gonna disagree with you Diam.
Anderson has played head and shoulders above any level Frye ever dreamed of, moch less showed in his time here. Anderson has shown an ability for big plays. During the last game the announcers said that he leads the league in plays of 20+ yards. He added 3 against Baltimore. He's played 3 pretty damn good defenses so far. (Pitt, Balt, Oakland) He had a bad half against Oakland.
He's not perfect ..... in fact probably far from it ..... but to say that he's no better than Frye denies the evidence on the field. Frye never showed an ability to consistently burn defenses. He never showed an ability to look down the field. Never. I hope that Quinn is watching this, because he is far more talented than DA, and should be able to (eventually) continue producing big plays with the players we have on offense, while adding some consistency to the position.
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I agree, and all reasonable people feel the same way.
Every measuring stick one wants to use point to the fact Anderson is playing pretty good ball.
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I actually think Frye is a better QB than DA and has more upside...just not in this system. Add our system to the fact that Frye has to still be shell-shocked and it gets impossible to compare the two. I think the system is actually tailored more towards BQ and DA has an arm as strong as BQ...whereas Frye does not. Hence, Frye's probable frustration in his perported meltdown. I could see Frye's thoughts as being something like this: Hey guys...if I'm the starter for this team, why in the heck do we run an O that requires verticality (stealing a new word I read on here this morning  ) and many throws that I really struggle with? So...while I think Frye is probably "better" than DA, I think DA is better for the Browns...over Frye that is. Personally...and I can't believe I'm going to type this...but I agree with Diam  on the topic of DA - although I do not think DA is quite as much of a turd as Diam thinks DA is. However, looking at his entire body of work, DA has not played well-enough (IMO) to continue starting over BQ. It's a silly game being played again. It's time to get on with the BQ era. Lastly, I'll be happy with DA as a backup. He's got some ability and isn't expensive.
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Excellant post and dead on accurate.
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Anderson has shown an ability for big plays.
Yes he has ... can't deny that one .. it is what it is ... he has a STRONG ARM ... he should show big play potential ...
i wonder just how many BIG PLAYS hes cost us by either throwing innacutterly or to the wrong player .. remember when someone has 3 or 4 guys around him .. theres more than likely someone standing all by themselves with plenty of green grass in front of them ..
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He's played 3 pretty damn good defenses so far. (Pitt, Balt, Oakland) He had a bad half against Oakland.
he did nothing against Pitt to excite me ... and Oaklands D isnt that good ... its way OVERRATED .... they will continue to be exposed because their O has improved since last year and will force other teams to score more points than they had to last year ... there not what i would consider a good d .. but thats nit picking .. I'll give u that ...
the two reasons we lost the faider game were:
1A. Inability to stop the run ...
1B. DERICK ANDERSON .... he played a BAD FOOTBALL GAME ... I don't care how many plays of plus 20 he had or what he did in the last 2 drives ... if he didnt play DA football the first 50 minutes of the game we wouldn't have had to come from behind ..
he played his best game so far theis eyar against the rats ... U wanna know why??? he played his "good series" ont he first series and got us a TD .. he looked VERY GOOD in that series ... VERY GOOD .. and he does that in 1 - 3 series a game .... then his pass to Brey for the TD was a GREAT PASS ... did Brey have to slow down to catch it?? YUP ... but guess what .. thats FINE .. that is exactly how he should have thrown that pass ... brey was that wide open ... in the Cinci game Brey saved his ass by making a catch VERY FEW WR'S in this league could have made .. that was a play of over 20 and a TD pass that was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE PASS ... this one was the anti-thesis of that one .. a GREAT PASS ..
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He's not perfect ..... in fact probably far from it
We agree there ..  ... my guess is we disagree on how far from perfect he is .. *L*
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but to say that he's no better than Frye denies the evidence on the field.
in your opinion .. let me ask u a couple thiings ....
1. did Frye ever see the time Da is seeing on a consistent basis???
2. did Frye ever have the running game that Da has had???
3. how well has DA REALLY PLAYED???
I will say this ... I may have "OVERESTIMATED" Frye .. even though that would be hard to do as i said GOOD NFL back up was what he would be .. i said he was NOT A STARTER .... I reffered to him and Da as BUM #1 AND BUM #2 .... as Bad and Putrid ..... *LOL* ..
but Frye may not even be a good back up in this league .. we will find out ..
I may have "UNDERESTIMATED" DA ... i doubt it but i may have .. if u wanna tell me the evidence on the field suggests that I couldn't make a solid ass argument hes not a bum ... you'd be making a statement i'd have trouble arguing with u on that one ... it is however my belief that my original assesment will be PROVEN to be correct ... that he is PUTRID if he is given enough time to prove it ...
I couldnt make a real strong case that he has proven me correct up till this point .. but i could show ALOT OF THINGS that point to my assesment being correct .. I truely believe he has been more LUCKY than GOOD ...
its real popular around here to say that were a missed FG away from being 3 - 1 ... well were also a few GREAT CATCHES and DROP PICKS away from being 1 - 3 or 0 - 4 ...
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Frye never showed an ability to consistently burn defenses. He never showed an ability to look down the field. Never.
your right .. thats not his strength ... he didnt do it here nor will he do it ANYWHERE ... he just doesn't have the arm strength ... its good to see DA taking advantage if his positive ... positive was singular for a reason .. *LOL* ..
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I agree, and all reasonable people feel the same way.
Every measuring stick one wants to use point to the fact Anderson is playing pretty good ball.
Here's another thing I've noticed...
DA's biggest weaknesses might inadvertently be one of his biggest strengths...for the time being at least.
He seems to decide pre-snap where he's going with the ball (hence the "fake look off" he gives then throws into coverage). It's going to burn him eventually and it is NOT smart football, but so far it has given big play results and he gets the ball out quickly, and since he has a strong arm he can thread the needle with some of those risky throws he makes.
Make no mistake about it, I'm not suddenly jumping into Anderson Camp, some of his reads make me cringe (and watching Carson Palmer last night...yeah he threw the pick to Samuel because of a miscommunication between him and CJ but it was still the right guy to throw to...not sure who made the wrong decision there...but it wasn't a boneheaded pick like some of the picks Anderson has thrown). I'm just saying he's done enough to impress me and has shown the ability to play at a high enough level to win with against certain opponents.
I don't know what else people would want from a backup in this offense. If you expect your backup to come in and be able to give your playmakers a chance, that is DA. He's done it against a supposed good defense, a weak defense, and came a blocked field goal away from doing it against another supposed good defense despite having an atrocious first half (which backups will usually have, they're backups for a reason).
Hopefully soon enough Quinn is a top-half starting caliber QB in this offense.
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I actually think Frye is a better QB than DA and has more upside...just not in this system.
No offense ... but based on what? What has Frye shown on the field that would lead you to believe that he will be anything more than a backup for a year or 2 .... and then retired?
Frye's best game may well have been his 1st career start. (against Jacksonville) People can say that he's "shellshocked" ...... or excuse his poor play and consistent failings as a QB as somehow being due to what he went through .... but this happens to damn near every QB who starts for a bad team. Frye's weaknesses today are the same as when he was a rookie. Worse yet, they might even be more pronounced.
I just don't see any signs of this mythical upside some see in Frye.
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Well, someone better call Mike Holmgren and let him know that Frye's upside is "mythical"....after all, he doesn't know a thing about developing a QB or what "upside" he may have. 
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The only reason Frye didn't have the protection that DA has is because he would leave the pocket after 2 seconds. He wasn't comfortable in the pocket and probably never will be, and I definately don't think he trust his arm more than his legs. He will never be a QB that you'll take down field shots with and he won't be someone who is going to be pinpoint accurate. He will be what he is right now...bad starting QB and a decent backup DA on the other hand IS developing better than Frye and right now. How do I know that? Because he is letting the players around him let them make plays, INCLUDING THE OLINE! He'll make the bonehead throw, sure, but so did Frye. And as far as i've seen, I haven't seen Anderson throw across his body and across the field on a play. 
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The one thing that Frye has on many QB's in this league, including Anderson, is the ability to do some things with his legs. He can buy time and improvise when things break down.
Outside of that, I didn't see enough consistent accuracy, pocket presence, or arm strength to continue wishing that he'd become something better.
I also don't buy the arguement that he fits better in some other system besides this one. We're talking about making NFL-type throws, not ungodly Dan-Marino-in-his-prime throws. What I've observed is that one of Frye's greatest weaknesses was his inability to quickly determine where to go with the ball and get it there accurately. That's the very staple of a WCO offense, the one that people believe is better suited for what Chuck brings to the table. We tried to run those types of plays when he was here, and his inaccurate arm became evident.
I'm glad that Chuck was still wanted somewhere, but getting a 6th round pick for him clearly means he's not viewed as anything special. In fact, looking back over the course of NFL history, the vast majority of players who are dumped before the trade deadline fail. Sad, but true.
Anderson, in some respects, is the antithesis of Frye. Where as Frye held onto the ball too long, not throwing before the receivers broke on their routes, Anderson throws it too early, not determining if the receivers are actually open *L* Frye caused sacks because he didn't want to make a mistake with a throw, Anderson throws some picks because he isn't smart enough to read a covered man when he sees it and still tosses the ball *L* But when push comes to shove here, while both guys are backups at best, Anderson can make throws that Frye just never could, and looks like an NFL QB. Frye never has in that regard.
Here's something I've always argued on Braylon's, and other receivers, behalf. When offenses get into a rhythm, receivers and QB's get better. Edwards has always struggled when he couldn't get into the feel of the game. But now that our offense is based on getting the ball out quickly, he's a much better player. And let's be honest here. While we can't, with 100% accuracy say that Frye would have been sacked more than Anderson to this point, what we can say is that Anderson gets the ball out quicker and on time. Even though it's wrong on occasion, more than a true NFL starter should be, he's decisive and doesn't hesitate to get rid of the ball. Frye never did that, and we all know that teams like the Bengals and Colts don't give up as many sacks simply because they get rid of the ball so quickly.
Anyone watch Colts games this year? Tony Ugoh SUCKS! He's a turnstyle at left tackle. Yet Manning is only marginally getting hit more. Why? Because their offense gets the ball out so quickly that defenses don't have time to get to him. That's something Frye never could grasp.
We made the right call in picking Anderson over Frye, but it was far too late. That's a black mark on Opie and RAC. In fact, Opie chose Frye to be our future starter, and that's on him as well. And since I'm getting my digs in on the FO, we wouldn't have had to go through all this crap with Frye, Anderson, and using TWO #1's on Quinn if Opie would have been smart enough to keep Garcia who's done nothing but play all-pro ball with Philly and now Tampa.
I wonder how well he'd have played behind this line. I think it likely that he'd have been posting ratings of 99 and 96 like he's doing in Philly and Tampa.......
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Well .... I had a whole damn reply typed out, but got a "no longer valid" error when I went to submit it. 
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Well, someone better call Mike Holmgren and let him know that Frye's upside is "mythical"....after all, he doesn't know a thing about developing a QB or what "upside" he may have.
Holmgren isn't God. The Seahawks cut their own 3rd round QB (same draft as Frye) in the pre-season. Why didn't Holmgren develop him? (Greene)
Sometimes you take a flyer on a guy. That's what the Seahawks did.
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The talent level of the OLine is huge, but I don't think you can underestimate the value of Chud & his system and playcalling.
I will 100% agree with that comment. I am willing to bet that if Maurice Carthon was calling his offense with this personnel, we would not be 2-2.
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No, Holmgren isn't a "God", but he has proven he can develop talent. He isn't going to take a "flyer" on someone that you don't think can develop and help your team. In fact, the plan is to let him learn the system and when Hass retires, turn the reigns over to Frye. Wallace is going to be moved to another position. All of those plans aren't based on taking a flyer.
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One of the points I was going to make in my reply to Diam that got lost into internet ether somewhere is that receivers will fight harder for a ball when it's obvious that their QB trusts them to do so.
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That may be true... but Hasselbeck is only about 30 years old, he just looks older because of that solar panel head...... is there some reason he would retire in the next couple years that I don't know about?
And I guess we will see. If Holmgren is the evaluator of QB talent that some say, then my guess is that by the end of next season, if the Seahawks are drafting QB, we'll know that Frye isn't what he thought.. if not, if they're sticking with him, then maybe he is...
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No, Holmgren isn't a "God", but he has proven he can develop talent. He isn't going to take a "flyer" on someone that you don't think can develop and help your team. In fact, the plan is to let him learn the system and when Hass retires, turn the reigns over to Frye. Wallace is going to be moved to another position. All of those plans aren't based on taking a flyer.
Hasselbeck is only 31...by the time he retires Frye himself will likely be 31 too.
Plus, The Big Show's (Holmgren) been contemplating retirement for the past couple years...I don't see that plan sticking. JMHO.
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No, Holmgren isn't a "God", but he has proven he can develop talent. He isn't going to take a "flyer" on someone that you don't think can develop and help your team. In fact, the plan is to let him learn the system and when Hass retires, turn the reigns over to Frye. Wallace is going to be moved to another position. All of those plans aren't based on taking a flyer.
Wow ....
The Seahawks trade a 6th round pick for a guy who will remain 3rd string probably for the entire year ..... and you have him taking iver the team. LOL
Wallace is an intriguing guy because of his athleticism. Hasselback is still fairly young, and should be effective for a long time to come.
I'd be more willing to bet that Frye is gone fom Seattle in 2 years than to bet that he'll still be on their roster. As far as "All of those plans aren't based on taking a flyer" ..... sure they are. Is Frye the primary backup? No. Are they certain, and would they stake their jobs on the fact that he'll even master the language, let alone offense? Not a chance. They got Frye for a year long looksee at the cost of a 6th round pick. They released their own failed 3rd round QB and replaced him with a different guy. They cut a QB who cost them a 3rd rounder ... what makes you think a 6th round pick makes a guy's future certain?
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In fact, the plan is to let him learn the system and when Hass retires, turn the reigns over to Frye.
That's not necessarily "the plan" as much as it's "the hope."
It doesn't hurt to waste a 6th rounder on a backup QB. Hasselbeck has 4-5 more years as a viable starter, so dumping a late-round pick for a backup with experience is a wise move, especially when you've just admitted you blew it with your own 3rd round QB *L*
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Basically I think it comes down to this:
I believe that CF can overcome his lack of NFL-very good arm strength and I do not think DA can overcome his inability to see the field and translate what he sees into what he should do next.
I think CF sees what is happenning and then knows what to do...he just doesn't have the arm strength at times.
As such, I believe that CF will get better and DA will not.
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As such, I believe that CF will get better and DA will not.
But DA is getting better.
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We made the right call in picking Anderson over Frye, but it was far too late.
I believfe the market made that pick in that there was NO MARKET for DA .. NONE .. he wasnt worth a bag of balls to anyone ... so we went with who had ANY VALUE around the league and took what we could get ...
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In fact, Opie chose Frye to be our future starter, and that's on him as well.
we had NO QB's SIGNED and under contract so he had to take one .. *L* ... and i said from Day 1 that Frye was drafted more to be a back up than a starter ... we HAD TO HAVE A QB ... so we took a FLIER and it didnt pan out ... NO WAY IS THAT BLACK A MARK ... maybe a light blue small check mark but no way some big blunder ...
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1. we used either a 2nd rnd pick or a 1st rnd pick to get my boy ... we didnt use two number #'s to get him ... thats a LIE ... and u know it ... u are the master of spin and even with that well earned monikor i have to believe u had a hard time typing that one ... my guess is u were *LOL* at the absurdity of it as u typed ..
2. Opie had NOTHING to do with Garcia leaving here .. NOTHING .... he wanted OUT and he was leaving no matter what ... pinning that on Opie is WRONG ....
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I agree ... but its a mute point so why even think about it .. GARCIA WANTED NUTTIN TO DO WITH US ... NUTTIN ...
B .. Frye was not traded for to be Matt's successor ... it may end up that way ... but IMO its not the master plan and Frye wold ahve to show alot to become his successor ... and i don't care what the Walrus has told Frye for now ..
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I believe that CF can overcome his lack of NFL-very good arm strength and I do not think DA can overcome his inability to see the field and translate what he sees into what he should do next.
It's all well and good to "believe" it ..... but what have you seen on the field that fosters such a belief? The inability to see and understand what is happening on the field is probably an even bigger weakness for Frye than his lack of arm strength.
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Based on what? Can you refer to some examples of times when Frye demonstrated this ability? I can think of one ...... because it stands out as completely out of the norm .... and that's the pre-season pass to Edwards to beat a blitz. That's about all I can recall that showed awareness and understanding from Frye. I'm sure there were a couple more plays from time to time, but nothing that says to me "this guy is going to get it and become special" .... or even competent.
Can you please offer some insights into specifics regarding Frye's play that lead you to believe that he'll overcome his (sizable, IMHO) weaknesses?
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No, I don't have him taking over the team, I am telling you Holmgren's long term plan. Wallace is being moved to another position. The reason it is going to be delayed is because Frye doesn't know the system, so THAT is why is isn't the "primary backup". He is working hard to learn the terminology and the system and the plan is to make him the "primary backup" during TC next year.
Like I said, I'm not saying it, Holmgren is. If you think he's an idiot for that, that's fine. I think he's proven to know enough about developing QBs to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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One of the points I was going to make in my reply to Diam that got lost into internet ether somewhere is that receivers will fight harder for a ball when it's obvious that their QB trusts them to do so.
No they will fight for a ball if their mindset is that the pass BELONGS to them..they HAVE TO WANT to catch it...and it helps if the pass is catchable...
But if recievers see a uncatchable ball they aren't going to sacrifice their bodies and get destroyed..
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do u say that 3 times while clicking your heels together Peenie??? *LOL* ...
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As such, I believe that CF will get better and DA will not.
But DA is getting better.
I disagree.
I would say that DA is DOING better...but I do not see him GETTING better.
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I guess NE will be Anderson's WITCH... 
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And I'd reiterate that Frye essentially repaced the Seahawks own 3rd round QB from the same draft. Big deal. Holmgren wanted the same things for Greene. That didn't happen. Is he now "less" of a genius?  Greene is now on the Patriots' practice squad, and Frye is now a 3rd string QB.
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So...you want me to go back and type up examples of my opinion?
Look...I think CF will be a better QB. Period. I already gave you the answer you requested. I think CF has more upside...just not here.
You will agree or disagree regardless of an endless post of "acceptable" play by CF.
If the decision was up to me...I would have kept DA too after the Steeler debacle...then again, if it were up to me we'd be talking about BQ right now instead.
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And Holmgren seen potential that you called "mythical". At the end of the day, the Browns are growing up right in front of our eyes. Charlie has been given a chance to continue his career. DA is holding the fort. The future will be here soon.
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Even when DA has a good game he makes horrible decisions, just like Frye did. Anderson looked awful against Pittsburgh and the Raiders while looking good for most of the games against Cincy and the Ravens. I would think more of him if he could manage to look good two weeks in a row, whether it be in practice, preseason or the regular season. We are lucky he only has 5 ints. That number can very easily be doubled. He has missed wide open recievers that would have made a difference in the Raiders game but that really doesn't concern me. His throwing into triple and quadrouple coverage is unexcuseable. How many balls has he thrown right into defenders hands that have been dropped? Sooner than later these LBs are going to start catching these throws and we are going to get crushed.
We need to get Brady in as soon as he is ready in my mind.
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Basically I think it comes down to this:
I believe that CF can overcome his lack of NFL-very good arm strength and I do not think DA can overcome his inability to see the field and translate what he sees into what he should do next.
I think CF sees what is happenning and then knows what to do...he just doesn't have the arm strength at times.
As such, I believe that CF will get better and DA will not.
Like Ytown said....what on earth have you seen that would lead you to believe this? Frye made the same mistakes this year that he made as a rookie. What indications are there that he's going to overcome this?
Anderson is what he is, he has made plays, he has been responsible for a lot of points, and he has put us in a position to win every game he's started....despite a God awful defense. Take off the Fryespecs and look at the facts that are biting you in the nose.
Seattle picked up a 3rd string qb for a worthless draft pick because that's what they needed....not because Holmgren saw a diamond in the rough that can be transformed into a starter.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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We'll see what becomes of Frye over the next year or 2. I suspect that the Seahawks will draft a QB in the 1st coupld rounds of the next draft or 2, and Frye's career will be over. I doubt that he ever sees the field for them, even in a mop up role.
Time willl tell.
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It doesn't hurt to waste a 6th rounder on a backup QB.
and if he happens to win 2-3 games for you if your starter goes down, that's great.
i call that a good gamble for a 6th.
We wanted Frye to win 6-10 games for us, which he couldn't do.
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We wanted Frye to win 6-10 games for us, which he couldn't do.
When did he get the chance?
I don't see why anyone even cares to continue this conversation. Arguing about Frye or Anderson is a waste of time since everbody knows it's all about Quinn.
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J, that is simply not true. Frye shown in the pre-season that he didn't make the same mistakes. In fact, he improved on many of the things people said he did wrong. He was reading defenses well, audlibling to better plays, recognized the blitz, checked down to second and third receivers, stayed in the pocket longer, and many other things. He was not making the same mistakes as last year. He had 4 preseason games that showed he wasn't....unless you are making your poing by judging on 20 minutes in week 1.
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J, that is simply not true. Frye shown in the pre-season that he didn't make the same mistakes. In fact, he improved on many of the things people said he did wrong. He was reading defenses well, audlibling to better plays, recognized the blitz, checked down to second and third receivers, stayed in the pocket longer, and many other things. He was not making the same mistakes as last year. He had 4 preseason games that showed he wasn't....unless you are making your poing by judging on 20 minutes in week 1.
Preseaon doesn't mean a whole lot in evaluating if a QB has learned anything. There is little to no pressure in the preseason.
you had a good run Hank.
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