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Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg

It can be done and done properly without being government run. That is the issue. The government and the ETA is the reason why our education system is failing. Private schools/Charter schools, and home schooling is a much more effective education environment.


Somebody doesn't realize that taxpayer dollars are funding those charter schools. They are being run like for profit prisons IMHO.

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I presume you were talking to Day of the Dawg with that reply.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
I presume you were talking to Day of the Dawg with that reply.


They do not care who they insult. If they disagree they just insult first instead of discuss the issue. Same thing that Trump does that they say is despicable behavior. Typical Liberal. Call names to those that have views they do not agree with. But, expect others to not call names.


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Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
I presume you were talking to Day of the Dawg with that reply.


They do not care who they insult. If they disagree they just insult first instead of discuss the issue. Same thing that Trump does that they say is despicable behavior. Typical Liberal. Call names to those that have views they do not agree with. But, expect others to not call names.


A little defensive?

He didn't insult at all, he was just explaining something, more in relation to your comment than mine.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
I presume you were talking to Day of the Dawg with that reply.


They do not care who they insult. If they disagree they just insult first instead of discuss the issue. Same thing that Trump does that they say is despicable behavior. Typical Liberal. Call names to those that have views they do not agree with. But, expect others to not call names.


A little defensive?

He didn't insult at all, he was just explaining something, more in relation to your comment than mine.


There were posts that called me selfish and other names just because I do not think public education is the answer. I do not mind when those explain why they feel different.


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I think each side insults each other often - whether its with emoji's on monikers or with pretend math equations.

It's not the best version of any of us but it's easily done - especially as some on here are basically troll-like in their posts. Like all things - claiming one side is better or worse would be incorrect.


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Originally Posted By: mgh888
I think each side insults each other often - whether its with emoji's on monikers or with pretend math equations.

It's not the best version of any of us but it's easily done - especially as some on here are basically troll-like in their posts. Like all things - claiming one side is better or worse would be incorrect.


I agree, and there are posters who I think have a lot of information to share, but when they use insults in their posts, I think their point gets overlooked.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan

Because an educated society has a better chance of taking care of itself, rather than relying on the government or generosity of others to survive?


But in our current system are they being educated or are they being indoctrinated? Some of both I'm sure. We often tend towards the indoctrination side it seems to me.

We spend too much focus on how we have done things instead of how we could do things. We don't do much research (kids doing research) in early public education. We tell them the answers and exactly how to do certain things. We spend lots of time repeating the past, and wonder why we're being left behind.

We've reached a point where most people can't figure things out for themselves. They just choose who they're going to listen to and repeat what those people tell them.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan

Because an educated society has a better chance of taking care of itself, rather than relying on the government or generosity of others to survive?


But in our current system are they being educated or are they being indoctrinated? Some of both I'm sure. We often tend towards the indoctrination side it seems to me.

We spend too much focus on how we have done things instead of how we could do things. We don't do much research (kids doing research) in early public education. We tell them the answers and exactly how to do certain things. We spend lots of time repeating the past, and wonder why we're being left behind.

We've reached a point where most people can't figure things out for themselves. They just choose who they're going to listen to and repeat what those people tell them.


I agree with your take on the current system.

But my reply was not in regards to the efficiency of the current system, but was in reply to DotD's comment

"Why should all americns pay for public education when they may not have any children? I think private schools and tuition would be a better program than our failed public education system."

Which I later went on to express that I didn't think that more that 20% of public school kids could afford private or charter schools, therefore, we would have a lot of kids not educated at all.

Even with public school, if there were no requirements on children attending, I wonder how many parents wouldn't even bother sending their kids.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
I presume you were talking to Day of the Dawg with that reply.


Sorry for the confusion. I replied to you because you were the last guy to post and you had responded to something that another poster had said.

I was just trying to share some of the knowledge I have on the subject. I'm not bad-mouthing Charter Schools because there are some really good ones and some that are really bad. They provide an alternative to parents who want something different.

I was just pointing out that there is no conclusive evidence that they are better than the "failed" public schools.

I was trying to keep things real and the two biggest realities are that there are evaluations that give them high or low marks and most importantly that they are hard to evaluate due to discrepancies in records and the differences between various Charter schools.

Btw--------I wasn't trying to insult anyone w/that post. I was just a bit agitated that some untruths were being thrown around. I think you are a fair and reasonable poster. Take care.

Edit: I think the dude called me a liberal in a negative way? Others have called me a trumpian or something like that. I wasn't trying to be political. I just value education and have some experience in that field.

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Originally Posted By: Bull_Dawg
But in our current system are they being educated or are they being indoctrinated? Some of both I'm sure. We often tend towards the indoctrination side it seems to me.


Yet it's always been that way. I never saw a history book when I went to school that told about us slaughtering Native Americans and taking their land. How we broke every treaty we ever signed with them.How we infected them with small pox by giving them infected blankets.

And those that advocate for the privatization of education advocate that schools based in religion also receive federal funds. I mean if one wishes to talk about indoctrination....

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We've reached a point where most people can't figure things out for themselves. They just choose who they're going to listen to and repeat what those people tell them.


Sadly I'm finding the things they aren't able to figure out for themselves are the things they should be being taught at home more than at school for the most part. School is a place to learn, not be raised.


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