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Shut up. It's going to be what it is. He beat Clinton in Michigan. I think he has a chance in Ohio. No way he wins Florida. Penn should go Biden but Bernie did well there before.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
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Compared to what we have for the last 4 years, I’ll take an Obama status quo all day everyday and twice on Sunday.

I’ll take respect and leadership from our allies over trash ass trump.

I’ll take joes weakish healthcare policy over trump trying to gut people’s coverage.

I’ll take joe’s stability of the markets over trumps constant trashing of his own officials.

I’ll absolutely sacrifice my own values of not voting for draft dodgers, and take ALL the heat for it if it’s Biden vs trump, because atleast biden doesn’t pretend to be something he isn’t. Cause at the end of the day.....

I will show up and vote on Election Day. The question is will you.

I wonder if Obama would run as Joe's VP.....


I think legally he could, but as soon as Biden hits the next stage of dementia what would happen? I don't think O could step up because he had his two terms.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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Compared to what we have for the last 4 years, I’ll take an Obama status quo all day everyday and twice on Sunday.

I’ll take respect and leadership from our allies over trash ass trump.

I’ll take joes weakish healthcare policy over trump trying to gut people’s coverage.

I’ll take joe’s stability of the markets over trumps constant trashing of his own officials.

I’ll absolutely sacrifice my own values of not voting for draft dodgers, and take ALL the heat for it if it’s Biden vs trump, because atleast biden doesn’t pretend to be something he isn’t. Cause at the end of the day.....

I will show up and vote on Election Day. The question is will you.

I wonder if Obama would run as Joe's VP.....


I think legally he could, but as soon as Biden hits the next stage of dementia what would happen? I don't think O could step up because he had his two terms.
That I have no idea. I would ASSume, he could step up, but couldn't run after the term - since he wouldn't have been elected to finish Joe's term??? Who knows, but that would be pretty interesting for History's sake regardless of any political affiliation.

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Bro the far left has a massive problem understanding that they MIGHT, MIGHT represent 20% of the country, if that.


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Biden.

I think sanders could, just be way more difficult.


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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
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Compared to what we have for the last 4 years, I’ll take an Obama status quo all day everyday and twice on Sunday.

I’ll take respect and leadership from our allies over trash ass trump.

I’ll take joes weakish healthcare policy over trump trying to gut people’s coverage.

I’ll take joe’s stability of the markets over trumps constant trashing of his own officials.

I’ll absolutely sacrifice my own values of not voting for draft dodgers, and take ALL the heat for it if it’s Biden vs trump, because atleast biden doesn’t pretend to be something he isn’t. Cause at the end of the day.....

I will show up and vote on Election Day. The question is will you.

I wonder if Obama would run as Joe's VP.....


Is that even legal?


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Shut up. It's going to be what it is. He beat Clinton in Michigan. I think he has a chance in Ohio. No way he wins Florida. Penn should go Biden but Bernie did well there before.


Did you just compare Biden to Clinton?

And I thought I was the resident stoner on DT.


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Bro the far left has a massive problem understanding that they MIGHT, MIGHT represent 20% of the country, if that.

I think you are probably right - but so we don't help perpetuate a right wing lie - even Sanders and the "Far Left" are not as far left as many EU countries that are still 'capitalist'. Let's keep things in perspective ... for many 'Far Left' is being associated with communism.

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I don't dislike Joe, he's very likable. And I was more than happy with him as VP. But he's not Obama.

And I have real concerns that he's slipping mentally. Even the way his wife protected him last night when the protesters hit the stage, then she literally turned him back around to the podium to talk, like he was confused.

So when it's all over, if he's the nominee I'll be good with it. BUT I do doubt he can beat Trump, so it's going to take a lot of work to help him.

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Oh I agree, he’s moderate in Europe.

But this ain’t Europe, and the majority of the population don’t care about European politics.

So in this country, he’s a raging socialist.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Bro the far left has a massive problem understanding that they MIGHT, MIGHT represent 20% of the country, if that.


Of the country as a whole, you're probably right. But we are borderline HALF of the party now. Moderates dems still outnumber us, but not by as much as you think.

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I dunno about half.

Maybe 30-35%.

The majority of the Dems that won the house are moderates. Willit is right about that. They are progressives compared to the republicans, but they are indeed left leaning moderates.

Biden can get cross over votes. Sanders scares a lot of people. That’s just The reality.


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Sanders does scare a lot of people. I wonder if it has anything to do with the words socialist, commie, not a democrat, radical, extremist, etc. used by the establishment to describe him? smfh

People said the same thing about MLK. A lot white people were scared of him because of it. He was a pretty good leader as it turns out though...

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You do know that by the time California is all settled and the rest of last nights delegates are issued we are looking at a tie right now, right? Bernie might even be a little ahead still, but we won't know that until Cali is all in and that will take a week or three.

That's why I said this will get bloody now. Bernie and his supporters will fight for every delegate to the convention. So we are looking at widening the divide on the left for 3 more months. That doesn't bode well for the left.

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MLK didn’t run for president.

Your comparisons are getting odd.


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Lol y’all are the ones on social media howling like somebody just shot your dog.

Of course it isn’t over, but we wouldn’t know that listening to Bernie supporters last night and this morning.


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Anyways,

The markets (futures) responded positively to Biden ST win.

However, they are just waiting for another COVID—19 shoe to drop before probably tanking again.

Bond rates are a joke right now. I feel really bad for the retirees living off their bonds for income. Don’t deserve this.


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I hate when they declare the winner at poll close. Supposedly Virginia went to Biden based on exit polls without a single vote being counted. smdh

Vermont to Bernie, but that was expected.


That's why I don't get excited until the votes are done being counted.


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Warren finished 3rd in her own State. Pitiful.
She should drop out, sending her supporters to Bernie.

The DNC establishment made its move, having everyone drop out, sending their votes to Biden. It paid big dividends. It resurrected Biden's campaign from the dead.

Bloomy did squat but he must hang in till the end because he is the establishments insurance policy if Biden dissolves mentally during the campaign.

The establishment won't allow Bernie to win the nomination, no matter what. They would rather lose honorably to Trump than be forever known as the Socialist Democrat Party.

Unfortunately, if Biden does win and faces Trump, it will most likely be a sad day as they can not continue to keep Biden in the witness protection program forever.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Sanders does scare a lot of people. I wonder if it has anything to do with the words socialist, commie, not a democrat, radical, extremist, etc. used by the establishment to describe him? smfh

People said the same thing about MLK. A lot white people were scared of him because of it. He was a pretty good leader as it turns out though...


Actually MLK only really scared the racists and far right who were worried he was stirring the people up and getting white folks on his side. They were far more worried and scared about Malcolm, Stokely (Kwame) and later the Panthers because of their more militant, "By Any Means Necessary" message. By comparison MLK's message was very watered down thus why it appealed to many whites.

The labels on Bernie are so idiotic, lame and completely ignorant. But, they will stick because this is fear nation. It seems Americans always have to fear something. Fear sells.

Roosevelt's message telling the people "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" is now lost on the masses. The more fear that is spread the easier it is to manipulate people. The government loves it. Sheep nation.

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Lol uh huh.

Y’all trying y’all hardest to have Bernie win because if Biden wins, trump will exposed to the courts after losing the election.

Bidens biggest fear: old age.

Trumps biggest fear: southern district of New York.


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Quote:
An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll released this week showed only 28% of Americans have a favorable view of socialism, including just 23% of independents. Half of Democrats and more than two-thirds of progressives view it positively, while a majority of progressives have negative opinions of capitalism.

In an NBC/Wall Street Journal survey conducted last weekend, two-thirds of voters said they would have reservations about voting for a socialist presidential candidate. A recent Yahoo News/YouGov poll found only 35% of Americans would consider voting for a candidate who describes themselves as a democratic socialist.




https://abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-w...ote-for-sanders

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Compared to what we have for the last 4 years, I’ll take an Obama status quo all day everyday and twice on Sunday.

I’ll take respect and leadership from our allies over trash ass trump.

I’ll take joes weakish healthcare policy over trump trying to gut people’s coverage.

I’ll take joe’s stability of the markets over trumps constant trashing of his own officials.

I’ll absolutely sacrifice my own values of not voting for draft dodgers, and take ALL the heat for it if it’s Biden vs trump, because atleast biden doesn’t pretend to be something he isn’t. Cause at the end of the day.....

I will show up and vote on Election Day. The question is will you.

I wonder if Obama would run as Joe's VP.....


Is that even legal?

Some have questioned the interpretation of the Twenty-second Amendment as it relates to the Twelfth Amendment. The Twelfth Amendment provides that anyone constitutionally ineligible to the office of President is ineligible to that of Vice President.

Clearly, the original constitutional qualifications (age, citizenship and residency) apply under the Twelfth Amendment to both the President and Vice President. It is unclear, however, if a two-term President could later be elected—or appointed—Vice President.

Some argue that the Twenty-second Amendment and Twelfth Amendment bar any two-term President from later serving as Vice President and from succeeding to the Presidency from any point in the line of succession. Others suggest that the Twelfth Amendment concerns qualification for service, while the Twenty-second Amendment concerns qualifications for election.

No two-term President has later sought to become Vice President since the ratification of the Twenty-Second Amendment; thus, the courts have never had an opportunity to decide the question.


https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=18676.0;wap2


I'm leaning toward "illegal". The question is, would the party want to endure yet another circus sideshow during the campaign?


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Speaking of VPs....There are some who believe Trump is going to dump Pence in favor of Haley in an effort to recruit suburban white moms.


https://thehill.com/homenews/media/48556...cratic-nominees

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Originally Posted By: Swish
Bro the far left has a massive problem understanding that they MIGHT, MIGHT represent 20% of the country, if that.
Very much so agree.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Sanders does scare a lot of people. I wonder if it has anything to do with the words socialist, commie, not a democrat, radical, extremist, etc. used by the establishment to describe him? smfh

People said the same thing about MLK. A lot white people were scared of him because of it. He was a pretty good leader as it turns out though...


I have given reasons why Sanders scares some. He acted in an unconstitutional matter with Russell Vought and calls people bigoted racists without warrant (AIPAC). He also was affiliated with radicals in his past, wrote bizarre things about rape fantasies and naked children, etc

Plus, I think most Americans don’t want socialism.


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Speaking of VPs....There are some who believe Trump is going to dump Pence in favor of Haley in an effort to recruit suburban white moms.


https://thehill.com/homenews/media/48556...cratic-nominees




Probably better than Pence? Yay?


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Bro the far left has a massive problem understanding that they MIGHT, MIGHT represent 20% of the country, if that.


Good point

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yea, thats why its never been entertained....

and wont be.

Biden needs to pick klobuchar, IMO.


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Klobuchar would be an outstanding choice.


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Bloomberg just dropped out.


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Bloomberg just dropped out.


No. He suspended his campaign and is throwing his support to Biden.

He can always restart if Biden slips.

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Bro the far left has a massive problem understanding that they MIGHT, MIGHT represent 20% of the country, if that.


Good point


It is a good point - but then Trump was elected by 27% of eligible voters. So Bernie isn't far behind.


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Bro the far left has a massive problem understanding that they MIGHT, MIGHT represent 20% of the country, if that.


Good point


It is a good point - but then Trump was elected by 27% of eligible voters. So Bernie isn't far behind.


Yep, Hillary and the DNC face planted. You’re

I didn’t vote in the general election last time. I voted for Ted Cruz in the primaries.

The DNC has helped Trump’s cause again this time.


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If Hilary face planted (nice deflection) then Ted Cruz was either decapitated or simple abased himself to Trump.


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If Hilary face planted (nice deflection) then Ted Cruz was either decapitated or simple abased himself to Trump.


Deflection from what?

It’s not my fault the Dems didn’t support Hillary.

It’s her fault. And it will be the DNC’s fault for apparently fixing the primaries if they leave a poor turnout again

And I don’t care if Cruz face planted. Hillary didn’t get elected. That’s a win in itself as far as I’m concerned.

And if Sanders doesn’t get elected, I’ll call it a good thing, even if Biden gets elected

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Ive researched somewhat on this but if I missed something I will be corrected but my Question is ...Why does Biden gets so much support from the black voters when hes done nothing but give LIP service by telling them that all cons are racists but it was ok for him to admire Sen. ROBERT BYRD a true KKK member. just sayin.

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Proof that Biden has said all the cons are racist.

If you can’t Provide proof, self exile yourself for a month for constantly posting dumb crap.


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He said "They will put Y,all back in chains" (meaning Repubs) in his best fake inflection but, maybe you think that's a true statement.

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By "Back in Chains" he must have meant "Back to Work."

Minority unemployment is now at historic lows. thumbsup

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