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What does "skiddish" mean?
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j/c: Baker Mayfield ranks in the top 5 in time to throw per passJeff Risdon October 12, 2019 7:30 am ET It doesn’t seem real. It cannot be true. There’s no way Baker Mayfield can have among the most time to throw of any NFL QB. Not with the right side of the line looking so bad. Not with all the throws Mayfield has made under pressure. But it is true. According to Pro Football Focus and their tracking of every player on every play, Baker Mayfield ranks fifth in time to throw the ball on average, getting 2.72 seconds of protection from his line. At NFL Next Gen Stats, Mayfield ranks third in time to throw at 2.96 seconds. What does that mean? It means Mayfield himself is responsible for a lot of the pressure and hits he’s taking. It means the Browns passing scheme is requiring routes that take too long to develop. It means Mayfield is holding the ball too long, something the game tape shows just as much as Eric Kush or Chris Hubbard struggling in pass protection. It means quick defeats up front get exacerbated by Mayfield’s indecision and maddening propensity to always escape back and to his right. Here’s the good news. The one game where Mayfield did a good job of getting the ball out quickly, the win in Baltimore, the offense looked very good. He still faced some pressure, but Mayfield didn’t let it impact him. The offense and the line as it currently exists can indeed work, but it’s on Mayfield to make that happen. Giving the receivers quicker-developing routes or having a hot outlet to fire to when under quick pressure is also something that can help. https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/...throw-per-pass/ There are dozens of more examples.
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A story in 3 parts:
1. The terrible, no good Browns offensive line is No. 7 in ESPN's Pass Block Win Rate
2. Baker Mayfield has the 3rd-longest time to throw in the league
3. Pressure rate is a quarterback stat Once again, I am not making this up. And once again...........I AM NOT putting all the blame on Baker. The OL was part of the problem. But, the narrative that it was just the OL is whacked. Baker contributed to the issues.
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What does "skiddish" mean? Normally, I think it would be descriptive of tires without enough tread on them, but in this case I think it means SB Nation needs better editing.
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It's Yiddish for skittish.
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JC https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-following-2019-regular-season23. Cleveland Browns
Nearly a year ago to the day, the Browns finished the 2018 regular season with our second-ranked offensive line. It’s been a long year for Cleveland. The team's 2018 success stemmed largely from an interior group that was a wall in pass protection with Joel Bitonio, J.C. Tretter and Kevin Zeitler. Bitonio and Tretter had similar success in the passing game, but the combination of Wyatt Teller (56.8 overall grade) and Eric Kush (45.4 overall grade) had significantly less success than what Zeitler accomplished. That dip in pass protection, in addition to a bottom-10 run-blocking grade from the line, pushes them down the list in 2019.
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Baker improved at hanging in the pocket and not rolling to the right as the season progressed.
The problem is he wasn't ready for the season, either by his own doing, the coaching, or a combination of the two. I would imagine it's very hard to make up for a lack of preparedness once the season is under way. So, in essence, he pretty much sucked the entire time while showing some pockets of improvement in little areas.
We will know all about Baker 4-6 games into this season. His attitude, approach, and coaching all need an about face.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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JC https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-following-2019-regular-season23. Cleveland Browns
Nearly a year ago to the day, the Browns finished the 2018 regular season with our second-ranked offensive line. It’s been a long year for Cleveland. The team's 2018 success stemmed largely from an interior group that was a wall in pass protection with Joel Bitonio, J.C. Tretter and Kevin Zeitler. Bitonio and Tretter had similar success in the passing game, but the combination of Wyatt Teller (56.8 overall grade) and Eric Kush (45.4 overall grade) had significantly less success than what Zeitler accomplished. That dip in pass protection, in addition to a bottom-10 run-blocking grade from the line, pushes them down the list in 2019. You are one of the guys I don't want to talk to, but I have to give you props for posting this. You typically are very one-sided when talking about Baker, but your post aligns w/what I have been saying. The OL went from #2 overall and had a "dip" in pass protection, but were awful at run blocking. Somehow Chubb and Hunt were still effective while Baker was not. That info coincides w/my take that the OL was part of the problem and Baker was also part of the problem.
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Baker needs to get better and had more than his fair share of contribution to last season's disappointment. You can (and have) break this down better than I.
But this sub-topic started out by talking about holding the ball, being skittish. Confusion as far as executing the O will absolutely cause/contribute to those things... and to say the coaching staff sowed confusion into the offense would be a MASSIVE understatement. Mayfield sucked and needs to get better, but there are certain areas where he and the offense get a pass from this past year.
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oober, there were some posts here somewhere suggesting that our offense was not nearly as effective after the scripted plays were used. that our play caller was calling plays after the script that had not been worked on during the week. therefore our offense was not as effective. if that is true it could account for some of the hesitation and uncertainty shown by baker. that does seem to make some sense.
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Baker felt after breaking Mannings TD record he had everything figured out.
He got lazy , Full of himself.
He felt he arrived as a QB and and he could just
Show up on Sundays and win
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oober, I think you are a good dude and while we may disagree at times, it never gets personal.
I brought Baker up because it's like a given here that his OL was terrible and that he was under so much duress. The analytics say otherwise.
I agree w/you about the coaching, but if Baker was adversely affected by the coaching........would it be a stretch to say that the OL, the WRs, TE, and RBs were also adversely affected?
I am not a fan of having one set of criteria for one player and another for the rest of the team.
I am not asking you to agree w/me and I am not being confrontational. Just giving you something to consider.
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Baker felt after breaking Mannings TD record he had everything figured out.
He got lazy , Full of himself.
He felt he arrived as a QB and and he could just
Show up on Sundays and win Hopefully that means Baker learned his lesson through that ...
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I brought Baker up because it's like a given here that his OL was terrible and that he was under so much duress. The analytics say otherwise.
I'll preface this response with I'm not going to challenge what you are assessing about Baker. I do however feel like you might be giving the OL a little too much credit. Yes the analytics show the OL was ok.. but let's not forget that is the levelling out of the highs and lows. When the OL didn't perform, there didn't seem to be any consistency as to where or when. We'd see series where on one play the defender busts through the left side, next play someone busts through the right... a few plays later someone busts up the middle... we usually look for consistency in terms of successes, but if we don't see consistency in the failures, its difficult to compensate for that.
Now as to why those failures occurred I'll leave to others. It could be the lineman sucking, or it could be Baker not calling out the right protection.
I agree w/you about the coaching, but if Baker was adversely affected by the coaching........would it be a stretch to say that the OL, the WRs, TE, and RBs were also adversely affected?
Doesn't this really depend on the who's coaching them and the level of involvement? Baker getting coached by Ryan Lindley vs. Nick Chibb getting coached by Stump Mitchel?
I am not a fan of having one set of criteria for one player and another for the rest of the team.
I agree on this point.
I am not asking you to agree w/me and I am not being confrontational. Just giving you something to consider.
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Fair response. To be clear, I was not trying to give the OL "credit." They struggled at times. No doubt about that. I'm just countering the prevailing thought that they were so terrible and poor Baker didn't stand a chance. Just offering another point of view.
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They were definitely getting unfairly roasted on here early on in the season. I can say that because I was one the ones that was manning the grill. I eventually saw that the blame was more equally shared. Then later on we saw what the players were dealing with in terms of coaching.
OL still needs upgraded personnel. The tackles need upgraded and the RG position needs to be sorted (I think our RG is currently somewhere on the roster).
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I think our RG is currently somewhere on the roster). I think that guy is Hubbard. He was much better at guard when filling in at Pittsburgh. I would like to see him get a shot to try.
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I'd suspect Drew Forbes before Hubbard, but since we have a new blocking scheme and a new OL coach, it's probably anyone's guess.
I think Bitonio & Tretter are set in stone. The rest is up in the air.
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I think our RG is currently somewhere on the roster). I think that guy is Hubbard. He was much better at guard when filling in at Pittsburgh. I would like to see him get a shot to try. Teller played decent last year, and Drew Forbes is the guy in waiting. Hubbard is either going to get cut or will be a depth piece.
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Seeing the circumstances that led us to cutting Kirksey, I don't expect we would keep Hubbard around as a backup.
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What does "skiddish" mean? It means you should probably do some laundry.
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Seeing the circumstances that led us to cutting Kirksey, I don't expect we would keep Hubbard around as a backup. Agreed. I also don't see keeping him at his current salary and changing positions.
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Seeing the circumstances that led us to cutting Kirksey, I don't expect we would keep Hubbard around as a backup. What circumstances? Am I missing something? They cut a player who hasn't played in two years practically and is making starter money. You make it sound like there was some underlying agenda that is nefarious. Or is this another attempt to call it "Moneyball"?
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oober is very objective and I don't think that is what he was doing at all.
What slays me is how people get up in arms whenever they think someone is being critical of the guys who went 1 and 31 and never once questioned guys who were critical of a guy who went 13-18-1 and improved the roster by a tremendous amount.
Not knocking you, but you guys make me scratch my head in disbelief.
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I think our RG is currently somewhere on the roster). I think that guy is Hubbard. He was much better at guard when filling in at Pittsburgh. I would like to see him get a shot to try. Teller played decent last year, and Drew Forbes is the guy in waiting. Hubbard is either going to get cut or will be a depth piece. I read the new staff is intrigued with Teller.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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oober is very objective and I don't think that is what he was doing at all.
What slays me is how people get up in arms whenever they think someone is being critical of the guys who went 1 and 31 and never once questioned guys who were critical of a guy who went 13-18-1 and improved the roster by a tremendous amount.
Not knocking you, but you guys make me scratch my head in disbelief. And just to balance, things were much different when the guys who went 1-31 then when the guys who went 13-18-1. Much of what the 1-31 guys led to the others record. It's time to quit talking about the past. We all have our opinions. I know that is fair to say. Time to simply focus on the draft and the new staff. The old coaches and GM's don't matter any longer.
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No peen. You never forgot the past. You came on here daily and cried about Hue. Multiple times every freaking day of the year. You constantly complained about Dorsey. You constantly kept bringing up Sashi. Day after day and year after year.
Now, you think those of us who did not like the job the Analytic FO did and approved of Dorsey should just shut up? Immediately?
LMAO man. Not going to happen.
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...What slays me is how people get up in arms whenever they think someone is being critical of the guys who went 1 and 31... Every time that you parrot that comment without mentioning the one-and-only "well-respected around the NFL" Hue Jackson, your point blows up on itself.
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Seeing the circumstances that led us to cutting Kirksey, I don't expect we would keep Hubbard around as a backup. What circumstances? Am I missing something? They cut a player who hasn't played in two years practically and is making starter money. You make it sound like there was some underlying agenda that is nefarious. Or is this another attempt to call it "Moneyball"? The circumstances of him not living up to his contract. Kirksey was injured and wasn't performing to his pay. Hubbard was available, but let's face it... he's not going to be the starting RT (he might not be starting at all). He was given a lucrative contract, and I don't see this FO paying him like that to sit on the bench. I don't care much for Hubbard and his performance, but I thought it was a pretty logical conclusion.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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The Athletic recently released an article in which beat writers from each NFL discussed players on the teams that they cover that might be traded: https://theathletic.com/1660305/2020/03/...uld-get-traded/(Subscription required) The main name that caught my eye with regards to the Browns is/was Riley Reiff. The Vikings currently have $1,389,736 in cap space. They are going to have to cut some players in order to create cap space. According to PFF Reiff was a little better than league average last year. If the Vikings traded him they would save $8,800,000 in cap space. Reiff also still has two years left on his contract, at a reasonable rate, so it wouldn't even be a one year rental if he was traded. There is also the obvious connection with Kevin Stefanski. I don't know what it would cost to trade for Riley Reiff but I think it's a name we should keep an eye. The other player that interested me was Josh Rosen. I totally think he's worth throwing a late round pick out for. He was drafted high in the first round in 2018 and could develop into a nice backup. (I can't quit Josh Rosen.)
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Reiff is a guy I really liked coming out of college. He's been a disappointment. He's not terrible, but he hasn't lived up to what many of us thought about him and his draft status. I would be hesitant in giving up assets for him.
Rosen? LOL..........imagine the board wars?
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I agree that Rosen is an intriguing backup option, but I'm not so sure about here. I would think he would be better off going somewhere that has an established starter so he can be the project. Not saying Baker is on the hot seat, but we've got plenty we need to work on with him without taking on another QB that needs work. Case Keenum fits the bill there. Just my .02
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I also think Keenum would be a great pickup at QB2. He could help Baker with Stefanski's offense, and while you wouldn't want him starting long-term, he could come in and win a game for you if Baker got dinged up.
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I agree that Rosen is an intriguing backup option, but I'm not so sure about here. I would think he would be better off going somewhere that has an established starter so he can be the project. Not saying Baker is on the hot seat, but we've got plenty we need to work on with him without taking on another QB that needs work. Case Keenum fits the bill there. Just my .02 I think what you are saying does have a ring of truth to it. At the same time, I think signing someone like Keenum may create more of a controversy. As you stated, Baker does need work and the outcome is anyone's guess. A more polished backup seems to be a more logical direction with which to proceed, but at the same time it may raise quite a bit more controversy should Baker struggle early.
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Jaguars and Ravens have agreed to a trade in principle that would send Pro Bowl DE Calais Campbell to Baltimore for a 2020 fifth-round pick, per sources. Campbell will try to finalize an extension with Baltimore.
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Rich get richer.
Good thing we have "I will be aggressive" Berry in charge.
What are the odds that Lamar is at a field working out right now and Baker is at the movies with a large popcorn, extra butter?
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I don't understand how things like this happen. Shouldn't every team be lining up to trade a fifth round pick for Calais Campbell? And if that's the case then shouldn't someone offer a fourth?
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I don't understand how things like this happen. Shouldn't every team be lining up to trade a fifth round pick for Calais Campbell? And if that's the case then shouldn't someone offer a fourth? One would think. Since it didn't happen that way it makes me think Jax told the agent to find a trade. The agent only went to a few teams where his player wanted to go. Maybe Balt. was Campbells first choice.
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Could be, but I think it is much more likely that Jax is purging and trading Campbell was part of that given his age and contract.
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This is my understanding. Jax is purging and they'll take just about anything in return (w/in reason).
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